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185 HOMESTEAD - Did Angel Studios Get It Right...? Prepper Groups PT3

• Keith Otworth & Rhonda Triggs • Season 7 • Episode 185

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Tonight, on this episode, we’ll talk about the Movie and TV Series "Homestead" (No Worries... No Spoilers) and the other side of Prepper Groups. The side no one ever wants to talk about, let alone think about. Because it’s uncomfortable.

And that would be, the Impossible Choices and Heartbreaking Decisions that we’ll all have to face, while being a part of a Prepper Group during a prolonged Grid-Down, No Rule Of Law, SHTF situation.

Deciding who to let in or who to keep out. These decisions are absolutely critical to the overall survival of its members. Or, what if one of the members has to be kicked out, expelled, or banished… or worse… taken down to the Dutton’s Train Station. Most of us, are not mentally equipped to deal with these types of challenging decisions and impossible choices. Am I…? Are You…? 

We’ll find out together.

So, Let’s get to it.

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Tonight, we bring our Series on Prepper Groups to a close… Or maybe not… there’s just so much to discuss on this topic… I’m not sure we can ever really be done talking about Prepper Groups. It’s such a hot-button topic amongst Prepper Survivalist and Homesteaders. So… we’ll just have to play it by ear.

On this episode, we’ll talk about the other side of Prepper Groups… The side no one ever wants to talk about, let alone… think about… Because it’s uncomfortable.

And that would be, the Impossible Choices and Heartbreaking decisions that we’ll all have to face,… while being a part of a Prepper Group… Especially during a prolonged Grid-Down, No Rule Of Law, SHTF situation.

Deciding on, who to let in… who to keep out… these decisions are absolutely critical to the overall survival of its members. Or… what if one of the members has to be kicked out, expelled, or banished… or worse… taken down to the Dutton’s Train Station. Most of us, are not mentally equipped to deal with these types of challenging decisions and impossible choices. Am I… Are You…? 

We’ll find out together.

So, Let’s get to it.

Hey, I watched the Movie, "HOMESTEAD" on Angel Studios Channel. 

01:14.64
Jeremy
Hmm.

01:16.80
Keith
Anybody want to talk about it without giving away anything?

01:17.05
Jeremy
What are the? No, yeah. i really want to watch it. um I didn't want to have to subscribe to another streaming service to watch it. But what were your thoughts?

01:29.78
Keith
Well, I think that Rhonda did something. She bought, she paid for something. She, I think she paid for the movie and, or she did whatever she did. She got the movie and she got the series.

01:39.20
Jeremy
Hmm.

01:39.88
Buddy
Probably had to subscribe to Angel.

01:40.23
Keith
Um, and I think that's what she did. Yeah. I think she subscribed to Angel.

01:43.26
Buddy
Yeah. We did that at first and never watched it.

01:44.93
Keith
So.

01:46.70
Buddy
So it was kind of moved. So it's, we, we went ahead and, uh, canceled it.

01:52.52
Keith
Canceled.

01:53.03
Buddy
So.

01:53.80
Keith
Yeah. Yeah, I'm very disappointed. So, I mean, if you guys want to know why, I'll let you know. But, I mean, without getting anything away, but um I am very disappointed. I thought it was going to be so much cooler than it was. It was not cool at all.

02:07.26
Jeremy
what was the What was the disappointing part?

02:07.33
Buddy
Yeah,

02:11.47
Keith
I guess the ah the best way... I'm used to, like, real scenarios and real reactions from human beings, not Christian-related...

02:24.44
Keith
religiously faith-based, you know, agenda kind of, uh, uh, you know, dialogue, you know what I'm saying?

02:33.41
Jeremy
Hmm.

02:33.77
Keith
It's like, yeah everything was, is geared towards, you know, helping everybody else out. And i don't know, it was just on the coolness level. It was totally not cool.

02:44.67
Keith
It was just, It was just, yeah every single scene was like, oh my God, they're just pissing me off. It's not what you do. This is not what happens.

02:52.65
Jeremy
ah

02:53.12
Keith
It's not how it goes. This is not what takes place in a situation like this. i mean I was like screaming at the freaking TV and Ronald was like, yeah, if you want to turn it off, you can. I'm like, I mean, we paid, we invested now. Let's just watch it. You know, um, who's the, who's that main guy with the, with the white hair McDonnell or something. Uh,

03:11.58
Jeremy
Well, he's ah he's quite the actor.

03:11.62
Buddy
Oh, man.

03:14.30
Jeremy
he's in a lot of different stuff.

03:14.53
Keith
he's an, he, He's a great actor and he's not in this shit. He's about, he's a, he's in the movie for about 20% of the movie and he's not in the series at all. So they, they trick you about, they trick you on that.

03:24.93
Jeremy
See, I didn't even realize that they had made a series.

03:28.65
Keith
Oh yeah. Yeah. there's there's a series that, well, yeah, it's, it reminded me like of a, what are they called? Like, um, a hallmark kind of a movie.

03:39.40
Keith
Do you know what I'm saying? Like very like clean and stringent. And I can't, how do ah I, don't even know the words to describe it. Not gritty, not, you know, like even the bad-ass supposed to be bad-ass, you know, army ah guys who are like, you know, you know, doing combat stuff and and all that.

03:50.10
Jeremy
Hmm.

04:00.99
Keith
Like even they were like, not cool. I mean, just, I don't know, man. everything was very, uh, cleaned up for, for the Christian viewer is the best way to put it.

04:06.93
Jeremy
Hmm.

04:13.72
Jeremy
Hmm.

04:15.60
Keith
Lots and lots of slow dialogue scenes between like, you know, a couple of people that were interested in each other and lots and lots of long winded discussions about God and,

04:29.14
Keith
not Not that that's not bad thing, but in this movie, it I just don't think it's ah it's the right place for it. But then again, I'm not used to watching Angel Studios product.

04:39.45
Jeremy
Yeah.

04:39.62
Keith
So that maybe maybe that's maybe this is what they do, you know?

04:43.09
Jeremy
Yeah. Um, so Angel Studios broke out and they, the ah I would say pretty much all, I don't know about all of the content is, is based on the, uh, the Christian, uh, or very conservative, uh, audience.

05:02.66
Jeremy
Um, i I thought that they were going to ah tie in with ah the chosen series. um

05:13.78
Keith
What's the chosen?

05:14.79
Jeremy
The chosen is it's a series about Christ and his life. um

05:20.98
Keith
Oh, I think I saw that.

05:23.84
Jeremy
It is extremely, it is extremely good.

05:24.04
Keith
I saw an ad an ad. I didn't watch it. I saw an ad for it.

05:29.31
Keith
Is it really?

05:29.59
Jeremy
ah Yeah. I'm,

05:31.58
Keith
Historically? Like historical kind of good?

05:33.31
Jeremy
Yeah, historical context, um the acting, um the way it's played out.

05:35.52
Keith
Nice.

05:39.79
Jeremy
And there's a really good mixture of like actual scripture and it's quoted, you know, and um there's a little bit of mix of humor and stuff that, you know, the everyday kind of conversation that you don't really see in the Bible.

05:59.65
Jeremy
um It kind of really ties all that together. I think it's amazing. It's in its final season. um They're about to go into the Last Supper and then the crucifixion.

06:11.12
Jeremy
So it's ah it's definitely, and it's free. um

06:15.62
Keith
Nice. That's on Netflix, right?

06:18.06
Jeremy
ah They do, i can't remember how far on Netflix they have it, but they do have an app that you can actually download, Call the Chosen, and you can watch everything there too.

06:27.87
Buddy
Just in time for Easter.

06:30.11
Jeremy
Yeah, and that's actually, that's exactly why they're doing it.

06:30.03
Keith
Yeah. yeah

06:33.02
Jeremy
They, they had a deadline um to do certain things. And right now with, or going into Easter, it's actually tied into like, they're doing it on the day of.

06:46.38
Jeremy
And even though it's a series, several of them have been released as movies in the, in theaters. So, yeah.

06:57.68
Buddy
Yeah, we just finished David. It was pretty good. and Well, we we're we're not finished with it. We're in the middle of it. We got caught up. So we've been bench watching it.

07:04.57
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

07:06.30
Buddy
So it's it's pretty good, man. but but

07:08.29
Keith
Is that also on Angel? Oh.

07:10.89
Buddy
No, it's on Paramount maybe or yeah so I don't really know.

07:16.74
Keith
You know, Homestead is just not my thing. I think that's what it comes down to. I was expecting something so much more gritty and cool, and you would think by now, with all of the stuff out there that's been done with, you know, Apocalyptic, End of the World, SHTF, T.O. Waki, I mean, everything you think of in the whole entire Prepper Survival is, you know, genre.

07:38.41
Keith
You would think by now they would have every single nuance down pack, you know, i'm like just perfect. Like what not to do, what to do, how it all actually is in real life and all that stuff.

07:49.72
Keith
You would think that would be the case, but no, I mean, there's so many books and and it is everything out there, but no, they just did not get it. You know, Hey, did you guys ever watch the, um, the last of us?

08:01.13
Jeremy
No, but I want to.

08:02.44
Buddy
I i saw a few a little bit of it, yeah.

08:02.39
Keith
Okay. Now that is a story. That is a so ah just a complete 180 from Homestead. That is the real deal. i mean, that's like what really happens and, you know, not afraid to use profanity and and just good, like real stuff.

08:18.66
Keith
Like what really happens when somebody gets gut shot, you know, like there's one scene in in Homestead, I'm not going say who or where or what, but person gets shot and they like go down like a death scene, boom, and they're dead.

08:22.12
Jeremy
Hmm.

08:29.25
Keith
You know, you're like, oh dude, that's, they're done. And then they they get up and they're just walking around. like, what the hell?

08:34.20
Buddy
like Like a spaghetti Western or something.

08:37.09
Keith
Yeah, like a spaghetti Western. Yeah.

08:39.02
Buddy
Wow.

08:38.99
Keith
And then, you know, that and then Rhonda had to remind me, hey, this is this is a Christian based, you know, type of a genre here. So I'm like, okay, all right. Well, this I just wasn't ready for that.

08:49.46
Keith
I was ready for something really gritty and cool.

08:52.00
Jeremy
Now, if you had to compare it to like um ah Civil War or Leave the World Behind, like, because I actually enjoyed Civil War. A lot of people were like, oh, this is dumb.

09:04.94
Jeremy
I liked it. um

09:07.13
Keith
I didn't see civil war. Was that the one that, um, what's his name? Uh, Alex Jones was in no, maybe not civil war.

09:12.88
Jeremy
Alex Jones, Alex Jones. No, it's got, what's her name? ah She was in the first Spider-Man, Blonde Chick, Crooked Tooth.

09:24.20
Jeremy
When she was a little girl, she was in Interview with a Vampire.

09:27.31
Keith
Oh yeah. Okay.

09:29.27
Jeremy
Yeah.

09:29.66
Keith
Um, movie I'm, I'm looking it up movie. It's, um, what's called again?

09:34.66
Jeremy
Civil War.

09:35.43
Keith
Civil War. Okay. And then you said the other one was called. Now that I remember.

09:38.49
Jeremy
Leave the World Behind.

09:41.83
Keith
um Civil War. Okay. So you're talking Kirsten Dunst. Yeah.

09:47.56
Jeremy
Yeah. Kirsten Dunst. Yeah.

09:48.97
Keith
Kirsten Dunst. Yeah. I like that. Jesse Plemons, I think his name is. Yeah. He's pretty cool too. I don't remember this Civil War one. I don't think we saw this. um Now leave the world behind. Remind me. What what was that one about?

10:03.78
Jeremy
It's got Julia Roberts. Um, they're yeah.

10:06.53
Keith
Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, so that was gritty.

10:07.93
Jeremy
Yeah.

10:09.13
Keith
That was cool and edgier seat, and that's the real deal.

10:10.72
Jeremy
yeah

10:13.63
Keith
kind of It made you feel like the freaking world was coming to an end. you know like that was That was good, man.

10:17.54
Jeremy
Yeah. and I didn't like the political overtones that were in it, but and know.

10:21.66
Keith
No, i but they weren't terrible, you know.

10:25.47
Jeremy
there it was It was subtleties. And i remember sitting there watching it with Missy and I was like, yeah, they just did that.

10:31.10
Keith
Well, you can thank Hollywood for that. The whole woke Hollywood is what is what dribbled into that movie.

10:33.16
Jeremy
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

10:36.47
Keith
you know It's fine. If it was like really over the top, oh would have turned it off.

10:37.84
Jeremy
Very... Yeah, it was it was a good movie though. I liked it and I liked Civil War. Civil War, you know, people talk about, man, we just need to go ahead and get another Civil War on. And they and i and I'm like, why would you want to do that?

10:52.59
Jeremy
Why? do you have any idea what that really, really means? You know, like i forget who I was talking to and they were like, yeah, dude, it was be so bad-ass and we're going kick some ass. I'm like, do you have any idea where the song taps came from?

11:07.46
Jeremy
And they were like, Oh no. And I was like, it's from the civil war. And they called a truce during a battle or a ceasefire during a battle. So a father could go,

11:18.76
Jeremy
collect the remains of one of his sons on one side and one of his sons on the other.

11:24.55
Keith
Oh, whoa.

11:26.07
Jeremy
Yeah. And they were on opposing sides. So what do you think is going to happen and in the, in this day and age during an actual civil war?

11:29.80
Keith
That's kind of suck.

11:34.75
Keith
Yeah, neighbors, neighbors killing neighbors.

11:36.68
Jeremy
Yeah.

11:38.03
Buddy
But it's so cool for people who haven't been there, man.

11:40.90
Keith
I love the sound effects.

11:43.51
Jeremy
Yeah, I am.

11:43.73
Keith
What? who Who is that? that you?

11:45.16
Jeremy
That is me.

11:45.29
Keith
Who's that?

11:46.74
Jeremy
Her, her house, her yard is like five feet from a train track.

11:52.17
Keith
Oh, okay.

11:53.75
Buddy
Choo-choo!

11:54.97
Jeremy
Yeah.

11:54.94
Keith
Another good selling point, but I'm just saying.

11:56.91
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. It is like right there. I can see it. too

12:02.30
Keith
We'll have to check out a civil war. What, um, where would I want to find that? If I was like, is it some, was it a series or a movie?

12:08.09
Jeremy
Oh man. Where did we watch it? No, it's a movie.

12:11.17
Keith
It's a movie. Okay.

12:12.29
Jeremy
Let me see where to watch. um

12:16.84
Keith
What were you going to say? ah But buddy, before I rudely interrupted you with the train noises.

12:23.24
Buddy
ah Yeah. moved

12:24.49
Keith
you're done for God.

12:25.93
Jeremy
they've Yeah, they've got it on a they've got it on Amazon Prime.

12:27.04
Buddy
um moved on

12:28.52
Keith
He moved on.

12:31.05
Jeremy
ah They got it on Hulu. I don't think they had it on Netflix, but they do have it on Amazon Prime.

12:37.69
Keith
Okay.

12:40.17
Keith
Yeah. So ah for me, ah yeah. Homestead to know I'm, I'm probably not even going to watch the rest of the series, to be honest with you. ah

12:46.97
Jeremy
So is the series after the movie?

12:47.31
Keith
I have to,

12:50.23
Keith
Yep, directly after movie. Like, you're watching the movie, and at the end of the movie, it'll say the end, and then it'll say something like, ah but it's just the beginning, and then it has a little button that says click for the series. When you click it, it takes over right smack dab at the end, the same everything, right? At the end of the movie. it was like they feel It was like the movie was just basically a two-hour part of the series.

13:12.35
Keith
It's really kind of what it was felt like.

13:14.19
Buddy
We'll watch it and take notes and you can report back to us.

13:14.39
Jeremy
Hmm.

13:17.87
Keith
See, and that's the thing. I would that you know i was talking with Rhonda. I'm like, hey, i I want to do a whole thing on this homestead and how they got it wrong and all this. And she's like, we got to be careful because we have a lot of Christian viewers and listeners. And I was like, yeah, well we got hosts that are Christian. And I said, but I'm not going to tear down anybody's faith. I'm just going to tear down the fucking movie. That's all.

13:38.52
Keith
He's like, yeah, you got it.

13:40.70
Jeremy
It's not your fate that sucks. It's this editing. Okay.

13:43.23
Keith
You got it.

13:43.34
Buddy
And I think ah think that's the whole premise of the whole thing is is it's an internal battle of faith, you know, doing the doing the Christian thing opposed to doing what?

13:43.77
Keith
Yeah.

13:52.30
Keith
That's exactly what it was.

13:53.26
Buddy
Your survival. And I think that's the whole premise of the whole thing.

13:55.77
Keith
Yes.

13:55.94
Buddy
and

13:57.43
Jeremy
okay

13:57.39
Keith
It's exactly what it was. it Like, like to our, like to work our point, we were talking about, ah prepper groups and we were talking about kicking people out and what happens if they're, you know, if they're, uh, if they're a worthy opponent and you kick them out, how do you, you know, how do you allow that person to, to actually leave knowing they can come back at any given time?

14:19.54
Jeremy
um That was an excellent segue, by the way.

14:19.96
Keith
You know? as excellent

14:22.98
Jeremy
That was an a excellent segue.

14:24.09
Keith
um You know, this, this does happen in, in, in Homestead and I'm not going to give anything away, but I was screaming at the TV. Like, no

14:34.15
Jeremy
Yeah.

14:36.43
Keith
you know, it's like, yo, yeah, yeah, exactly.

14:36.70
Buddy
Just like a football game, right? You're screaming at the TV.

14:40.19
Keith
Yeah.

14:41.15
Jeremy
Well, I think that's probably a pretty good place to start right there is, you know, what going to do?

14:47.31
Keith
yeah

14:47.84
Jeremy
what are you going to do when you kick people out of your group, man? Like,

14:51.05
Buddy
Well, here's the things to think about, you know, somebody who's been there, they, they know, they have a lot of intelligence on you.

14:52.23
Keith
Go ahead.

14:58.88
Buddy
So if you kick them out, you know, only are they going to know, you got to change your whole defensive posture. You're going to have to, you know, they they've got all this Intel on you to where they go join another group and, and, you know, bam, it's,

15:12.81
Jeremy
Well, this is that when we first.

15:13.69
Keith
Yeah, let's but like let's on oh yeah let's start with why would you kick somebody out first?

15:15.25
Jeremy
Yeah.

15:19.73
Jeremy
Okay.

15:20.02
Keith
So what would be some reasons why you would why you would really have to go to that that farthest you know spot and and get somebody out and gone?

15:20.28
Jeremy
All right.

15:29.62
Keith
Exile somebody from your your land, you know?

15:32.92
Jeremy
Well, for me personally, um you know how much I hate the mooch and the the freeloader. um But i also I also think that someone who comes in, and again, you know when you're bringing people into a group, you're bringing them from an outside.

15:50.82
Jeremy
You know, they're not necessarily someone you know, know. You may know of them or they might be a buddy of mine. But you know, if you're going through the vetting process and you can't really uncover anything major, but then you realize that there's something weird about this cat. Like, why is this person um constantly asking really detailed, deep questions rather than just trying to understand the information? It seems like they're really, you know, digging in.

16:20.91
Jeremy
um I'm naturally suspicious of people. so

16:24.82
Keith
I am horribly suspicious. I'm suspicious suspicious of every single person that I come across.

16:28.33
Jeremy
Yeah. yeah

16:30.31
Keith
i don't know why.

16:31.45
Jeremy
it's i don't know if I don't know the why. I mean, i think I have my own my own reasonings. A lot of that probably came from the military. But I mean, again, it like for what was the movie. um It's an old Vietnam movie.

16:45.38
Jeremy
And I want to say it was Platoon, possibly. They catch a guy who's supposed to be friendly Vietnamese, and he's walking in a straight line, and it almost looks like he's counting his steps.

16:59.59
Jeremy
And then come to find out he's actually, he's basically making a mental map of all of the different buildings and whatnot on the base. i

17:06.87
Keith
Right.

17:08.07
Jeremy
I, feel like bringing someone in and watching them, like that's something that you would have to really pay attention to for an undetermined amount of time until you think they're trustworthy.

17:20.76
Keith
So maybe what you're saying is that you're, this is a ah job for your security team. Like, like somebody gets put on somebody covertly, you know, for the, for for like, let's say 30 days and yeah and you, and you tell them that you're going to be, you're going to be, um, go through like a, uh, you know, a two week, uh, length of time where you're, what's the word?

17:41.94
Keith
What where am I looking for?

17:43.83
Jeremy
ah Probate that.

17:44.94
Keith
Yeah. A probation. Yeah. A probation or probate.

17:46.34
Jeremy
yeah

17:47.21
Keith
Exactly. You'll be a probate for, You know two weeks, but you watch him for 30 days and maybe see what's going on, maybe even longer than that. i don't know, but it would seem like that would definitely be something for a security team.

17:57.68
Keith
Now, how much damage can they do in that one month? You know?

18:01.31
Jeremy
Well, I mean, the best spies ah were ah never detected. um The best spies are ones that are constantly passively collecting and they go on about their daily business as if absolutely nothing in the world is any different about them or an and you.

18:24.32
Jeremy
And again, again, yeah yeah, they live that part, you know, but

18:25.35
Keith
Well, they become they become the part.

18:31.40
Jeremy
Again, we're talking about SHTF, no rule of law, like the bottom is dropped out kind of situation. i don't know. i don't know if you can continue to be as suspicious about every human, you know, trying to grow your group.

18:51.87
Jeremy
um Because hopefully you've grown your group prior to the proverbial shit hitting the fan. You know what i mean?

18:59.85
Keith
I do know what you mean, but the one thing you're not considering that I have because I was in a prep group is that the people that are in your group come with baggage. they They come with family and brother-in-laws and next door neighbors and the guy they work with.

19:10.38
Jeremy
Mm

19:16.50
Keith
Those are the ones you don't know about.

19:16.73
Jeremy
hmm. Right, right.

19:18.93
Keith
And there's no way of saying no. If you're in a prep group, you're like, yeah, this is my brother. Oh, we didn't we didn't discuss your brother. Well, he's my brother. We're not going discuss him. He's coming in. you know, it's that kind of a thing.

19:27.45
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. And, and back to buddy's point, you know, when somebody is in, it doesn't take very long. um All of the knowledge that they have of your location, your capabilities, your defensive ah posture, weapons, food, everything, that all can become ah target so fast, like so fast.

19:56.77
Jeremy
And how do you, I mean, golly, I'm racking my brain. Like, how do you protect your stuff? but also protect your humanity. Like what are you prepared to do to protect everybody in your group and your place? You know what i mean?

20:12.94
Keith
Well, that sounds to me like it's a whole other episode. I mean, that is, and i really i i really believe this.

20:17.99
Buddy
Oh, yeah.

20:19.15
Keith
um Because, you know, well, we and we did, um but the whole premise, the whole entire premise of Homestead is in the name.

20:20.82
Jeremy
We touched on it.

20:29.07
Keith
Everybody in the surrounding 300 miles knows about the Homestead.

20:34.92
Jeremy
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

20:35.81
Keith
That's the whole premise of the show and the movie. So everybody wants a piece of it.

20:41.08
Jeremy
Right.

20:41.20
Buddy
Well, it all goes back to OPSEC, you know, op your operational security, you have to practice good OPSEC and that's something you need to teach, you know, cousin Billy, who, you know, is a mechanic that, you know, wasn't military, you know, or the Billy's wife, the school teacher that taught kindergarten, you know, she's gonna, that put everything on Facebook and social media before, you know, uh, the event, uh,

21:09.55
Buddy
you've got to teach them OPSEC to where, Hey, you know, anything you say to people, anything you tell other people about, you know, our training and about this and that, it's all going to come back against you.

21:22.83
Buddy
You know, it it could, it could harm us all. And, you know, we get raided because they know exactly where our defenses are or, you know, exactly how much stuff we have, then, you know, you're not going to eat, you know, you could be killed, your family, your kids could be killed. Your husband could be killed, you know?

21:37.77
Buddy
So you almost have to scare people into, um you know, are not really, i wouldn't say scare them, but you have to definitely, you know, harken on the the the need for OPSEC and the importance of it.

21:47.28
Jeremy
Actually,

21:52.57
Jeremy
I actually like that word scare. I mean, think about back to like World War II and all those posters that you you used to, you know, you see and loose link loose lips shk sink ships.

22:04.64
Jeremy
And you see all these old, um ah it was about OBSEC, but basically propaganda posters. And you see a dead paratrooper hanging in a tree. And then the bottom of it, it said his location got there before he did.

22:17.91
Jeremy
You know, um the the the the guys, they were, it was, like i want to say it was probably more than a hundred dudes.

22:18.63
Keith
Right.

22:25.62
Jeremy
They were in, and they were Georgian soldiers and they were out there doing the wrong thing using their stupid phone in the middle of a combat zone. And the Russians triangulated their position and dusted all of them right off the map.

22:41.32
Jeremy
They killed all of them by artillery fire.

22:43.82
Buddy
Yeah, that was happening. That's still happening all over Ukraine.

22:46.28
Jeremy
Yeah.

22:46.86
Buddy
Both sides, both sides of are there your cell phone is, you know, your Instagram, your vanities killing you.

22:48.38
Jeremy
Yeah.

22:53.50
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah, man. I mean, but I think scare is actually a really good way of expressing that. You gotta, you gotta to let them know. Hey man, uh, you just made that post. Uh, you gotta go. You gotta

23:06.05
Buddy
Well, I know we've we've all seen it. We, you know, you go on Facebook and, and, uh, You look at a post and this guy's like, this is my 23 different ARs and I have 18,000 pounds of freeze dried food and and a million pounds of water and blah, blah, blah, blah.

23:14.45
Jeremy
go. Mm.

23:18.81
Jeremy
Mm.

23:22.76
Buddy
blah and I got the best bug out position with the underground bunker. you know That's the kind of shit I'm i'm collecting on. you know I'm like, okay, taking notes.

23:32.56
Jeremy
neat

23:32.83
Buddy
You know, I'm looking at pictures. I'm like, yeah, this is possibly, you know, could be here. You know, they're from this, this, you know, i'm just starting to duck things back.

23:38.11
Jeremy
yeah

23:41.24
Buddy
And it's like, you know.

23:42.61
Jeremy
Yeah, social media is the bane of a lot of people's privacy. And there is a there's a series out and I can't remember the name of it. But basically, um these parents hire this guy who uses these young kids, especially girls social media posts to triangulate their position just based off of their pictures.

24:04.54
Buddy
Dude, I'm doing it right now. I'm doing it to a group, actually a few groups and for my other side of my business.

24:07.22
Jeremy
Yeah.

24:10.16
Jeremy
Yeah. And

24:12.12
Buddy
And it's so, and mainly it's all open source intelligence.

24:12.59
Jeremy
Yeah.

24:15.48
Buddy
I'm using, you know, stuff they post.

24:16.20
Jeremy
yeah Yeah. And he does this.

24:18.36
Buddy
Yeah.

24:19.01
Jeremy
He does this to show them predators are doing the exact same thing that I just did to you. And he had this young girl's relocation within, i mean, 30 minutes, maybe 45, just based off of her check-ins and her posts and her pictures and all these different things.

24:37.79
Jeremy
And he's like, okay, so I know that she's in this state. I see that road. I see that sign. And within minutes, he's got a position triangulated.

24:47.24
Buddy
Yep.

24:47.78
Jeremy
Yeah.

24:47.89
Buddy
yeah All you got to do is find those patterns of life, man. the

24:50.24
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

24:50.87
Buddy
People will just throw all out there for you, you know?

24:52.86
Jeremy
Yeah.

24:53.65
Keith
Okay, so you got a group and you got people in it that you know really well. Okay, and and you got a few people you don't. And you're trying and you. So in my opinion, when you come across somebody in your group, who is not fitting in and is not causing trouble, but not fitting in not doing not pulling their weight, ah doing stupid, stupid stuff, and, you know, could be a problem down the road.

25:20.18
Keith
This to me is a person that you can talk to. You can try to train up. You can try to have a, you know, what the mafia calls, we're going have a sit down or in the so in the South, they call it to come to Jesus, you know, and you have a conversation with this person and you let them know, you put them on notice and you essentially turn the person into the person you want them to be.

25:31.43
Jeremy
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

25:45.92
Keith
Okay. So that's ah that's one possibility. Now, what about another possibility where you got somebody uh,

25:56.01
Keith
You know, your your group has grown very big. And you've got somebody in there who you just don't trust. They give you the eebie-jeebies. There's something sketchy about the person. Maybe it's the way they talk to your your girl.

26:07.39
Keith
Maybe it's the way that they look at kids.

26:08.74
Jeremy
Mmm.

26:09.11
Keith
Maybe it's the way that they're eating too much food.

26:09.73
Jeremy
Mmm.

26:11.07
Keith
Or maybe they stuck they snuck some food out. Or maybe they talk to people outside the group about the stuff in the group. You know, all these little things.

26:18.88
Jeremy
Mmm.

26:19.87
Keith
Something. Something that's that's making you. Now, this person is capable. This person does have weapons and possibly training and connections to the outside world.

26:32.93
Keith
Now, what do you do in a situation like that where you've got to, you can't talk to them because then this person is smart enough to know that you're onto them. This is a person that's going to start doing the right thing to stay in the group.

26:46.79
Jeremy
do the right thing to stay in the group, or they're going to run with the knowledge that they have.

26:47.37
Keith
What do you do?

26:55.58
Buddy
set up a honey trap, you know, you, you, you trap them. You have people watch them set up, you know, maybe a little sting operation for them.

27:00.05
Jeremy
We could

27:04.15
Jeremy
Well, I can just tell you right now, if I had anybody in a group and I even considered that they had any kind of inkling towards somebody else's family or children, especially, especially, especially in a world with no rule of law, I mean,

27:24.26
Jeremy
the and the The answer to me is very clear, but I know what I'd be willing to do. um And that definitely involves a wood chipper. But um that's just me.

27:38.78
Jeremy
Because when.

27:39.61
Keith
No, it's not just you. It's everybody. It's it's most sane, common sense people.

27:41.27
Jeremy
Well, yeah. When when there is no rule of law, um the predators, the heebie jeebies, the creepers, ah they are going to come out because that is the time that they will thrive.

27:55.85
Jeremy
They will. you know the The dude that's been hanging out in his and I say dude, it could be a woman as well, but the person who's been hanging out in their basement, you know staring at computer screens, stalking kids and you know young girls or boys or whatever and been waiting for the opportunity like the purge to do whatever they want with no impunity.

28:18.25
Jeremy
Man, those are going to

28:19.28
Keith
Well, how did they get into your group in the first place?

28:21.36
Jeremy
I know that's that like that's the that's the thing, you know, and this is why I keep saying, i hopefully you have your group established prior to. Yeah.

28:30.85
Buddy
It was somebody's brother-in-law's cousin's sister's uncle or something that came, you know, somebody way down the line.

28:36.29
Jeremy
Yeah.

28:37.07
Buddy
I mean, yeah. And when you vet, you, you need a vet. That's Keith had a good point a minute ago. That's the danger of letting, you know, extended family in, um,

28:47.48
Jeremy
yeah

28:49.98
Buddy
a group that I was talking to at one point, it was only immediate family. You could take you and your kids, your, your parents. No, if they had a ah skill set, if they were, you know, mainly this was all military police fire, you know, kind of organization.

29:07.28
Buddy
If, if you had a parent that had some kind of skillset, they were welcome, but there was very few extended family there. Just your your immediate, you know, kids, wife, kids,

29:17.67
Jeremy
Well, yeah. And, but you also got to think, you know, at that, at our age, you know, my mom is 75. Does she have a lot of skillset and life left in her? Absolutely. But there comes a point in time when you start to have to be concerned, are we taking on ah the infirmed? Are we taking on the way to elderly, the sick, and they're going to use the resources that we really need? You know, where do you put a, where do you put a hamper on that? You know, I'm not sure.

29:47.66
Jeremy
um

29:48.93
Buddy
Yeah, that's something you have to think about prior to. You know, you got to some bylaws in there that you're going to have to figure that shit out first.

29:52.33
Jeremy
Yeah.

29:56.37
Jeremy
Yeah. And you just used a great word. If you have a set of bylaws that is agreed upon, voted on, and you know everybody has adopted those bylaws, if you violate those bylaws or you go outside of the bylaws,

30:11.62
Jeremy
Any change to a bylaw or a rule has to have another agreement with to establish a new bylaw. So that's actually a really good word to use.

30:23.01
Jeremy
um So I like that. Yeah, that's an interesting.

30:25.92
Buddy
Well, something to add to that, you know, you can bring your kids with you because, hey, the bylaws say I'm bringing my kids. The bylaws might say you can bring your parents, ah but it's going to cost you x amount of, you know, something else, maybe food, you know, medicine, whatever, whatever it may be.

30:44.61
Jeremy
Yeah.

30:44.63
Buddy
um but what are they going to bring to the table? So, and I've had this, actually I've had to explain this to my kids is like, listen, you know, you're going to have to bring something to the table. Well, I have, I'm bringing something to the table.

30:56.75
Buddy
and said, no, you're bringing a hungry mouth to the table. You need to bring a skillset.

30:59.02
Jeremy
Yes.

31:00.79
Buddy
Do you know how to work a, a handheld radio?

31:00.85
Jeremy
Yeah.

31:03.18
Buddy
No.

31:03.53
Jeremy
Yeah.

31:03.73
Buddy
Okay. Go find out. Can you stop a bleed? You know how to pack a wound? You p apply a tourniquet well no can you teach me yeah i can teach you but you're gonna have to seek some of this stuff out yourself i gotta see some initiative there you know and and somebody who wants it bad enough is gonna do what they're gonna do or what it takes to to get there you know and ah and it's this it's not a welfare program you know a mag or a network or a tribe or whatever you're gonna call it is not a welfare program it's

31:14.44
Jeremy
Yeah.

31:32.97
Jeremy
Yeah.

31:33.72
Buddy
It's a mutual assistance group with the keyword mutual, you know, you got to help out.

31:38.31
Jeremy
Yeah.

31:39.81
Buddy
And if you're not helping out, yeah, if you're, if you're not helping your your hindrance and, and you're just a mouth to feed and nobody needs it.

31:40.23
Jeremy
You got to pay to play.

31:48.78
Jeremy
Yeah.

31:50.52
Keith
So your your kid is at college and shit hits the fan. Who knows? Maybe it's a nuclear weapon goes off somewhere. ah Let's say we're attacked. Let's say just whatever it is, it all happens and happens fast.

32:05.72
Keith
Okay. Your kid is at college. Your kid is not alone at college. Your kid is with four or five other people. let's Let's just call it three for now. There's four of them. They're in a car. They're trying to get back to you.

32:17.66
Keith
and their And their places, but they can't. So they all show up at your place. and Now you've got your kid who obviously is welcome and three more 20-year-olds or 20-somethings.

32:27.98
Jeremy
Yeah.

32:28.88
Keith
This is what i'm saying. you know It's very, very difficult in a real ah in a real um and emergency situation to know what to expect.

32:43.89
Keith
to know what to expect Because every you everything, think anything could happen.

32:47.81
Jeremy
yeah

32:50.51
Keith
you're your A family member could show up, a really close friend of yours might show and say, hey, I'm just passing through. i need a place to to ditch for a couple days before I'm heading on. And they got four or five of their friends.

33:02.53
Keith
this is what This is your best friend. This is the person you you went to war with. This somebody you went to school with. This is your somebody you grew up with.

33:08.60
Jeremy
Yeah.

33:08.64
Keith
Do you just say No.

33:10.57
Jeremy
Well, for the college kid one, my daughter shows up with three or four friends, they better not be boys. I can tell you that. um But that's a great point. I mean, because you never know what the hell – teenagers and college kids are doing these days. I have absolutely no idea of what they're doing from one moment to the next.

33:32.14
Keith
ah Definitely not alone.

33:33.45
Jeremy
Yeah, I know. And i mean, yeah that's such a good point. i

33:38.74
Buddy
Well, they're going have to prove themselves and or come up with a skill set that you can need or, or you know, they got to go.

33:44.69
Jeremy
Yeah, they can sleep.

33:44.70
Buddy
You know you might, you might say, Hey, you got, you got, you got two weeks.

33:46.75
Jeremy
They can sleep outside.

33:50.60
Buddy
Yeah. You got two weeks. And as a ah trial period to just see what you're worth. And then after that, if you don't, can't make the muster, then you're going to, you know,

34:01.52
Jeremy
You got to step out.

34:02.80
Buddy
I'm going to give you food and water for about, you know, 72 hours for you to get to the next destination or or wherever it may be.

34:02.88
Jeremy
Yeah.

34:08.72
Buddy
And that's all I can do for you. Sorry.

34:11.13
Jeremy
And then there's the other end of that. What if your kid who showed up with their friends feels compelled to leave with said friends?

34:20.67
Buddy
Well, that's a choice they're going to have to make.

34:21.01
Jeremy
Hmm.

34:23.01
Buddy
They can either stay in safety or, or go and, and

34:23.12
Jeremy
I don't

34:25.88
Jeremy
I think a slapstick and a child knocked unconscious while the other ones get to step in is going to come into play for me. Cause I'm not letting them out.

34:31.85
Buddy
yeah.

34:35.44
Jeremy
I'd be like the other ones can go, you got to stay. um And then,

34:40.13
Keith
I think that a, uh, uh, the decision to let somebody in, um, the decision to, ah keep somebody out, uh, to not let them in is a way harder decision for me personally than to, uh, than to kick somebody out.

34:55.60
Buddy
Thank you.

34:57.35
Keith
Okay. Because for me, if somebody is so bad, so bad that they have to be expelled from the group, they have to be banned from the group, um,

35:08.36
Keith
For me, I take that whole entire responsibility on my own. And in the middle of the night, the person disappears. And that's just it. That's the, it's the end of it. They, they are no longer a problem.

35:19.22
Jeremy
Yeah.

35:19.50
Keith
That's just me personally, because that to me is an easy situation.

35:19.75
Jeremy
ah

35:23.07
Jeremy
Yeah.

35:23.17
Keith
It's, it's, it's a, it's a thats despicable, disgusting thing that you do to, to protect your family and what's yours in an instant. Yeah.

35:32.25
Jeremy
Yeah, I support that.

35:32.42
Keith
But the other thing is hard for me saying yes to letting people in a family shows up and they got three kids and they're sitting there staring at me and they're having eaten in four days. That to me is a difficult decision. I want to say no, head on down the road. Here's a few things to go. That's what I want to say.

35:48.39
Keith
But in real life, I don't know if I can do that.

35:51.44
Jeremy
I think for most of us decent people, it's in our nature to want to help and to care for others, you know?

35:51.73
Keith
I can't answer that.

35:59.91
Jeremy
um and that's also part of this lifestyle as well. Um, we, it's kind of like taking on an unwritten responsibility that by being prepared for disasters, there is always the potential that you may have to care for a stranger that you don't know.

36:19.27
Jeremy
um And even if we don't necessarily want to, I sure as hell don't think I would want to, but also I'm kind of like you. I don't know that I would be able to turn them away.

36:31.37
Jeremy
You know what I mean? Mm-hmm.

36:32.82
Buddy
Well, the bottom line is, are are you going to be able to look at yourself in the mirror the next day? You know, if you send them on their way, um the you got to be able to live with yourself.

36:42.82
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

36:43.48
Buddy
And so, i mean, this is, right you know, this is hard stuff, man. I mean, I hope the listeners are, it gets their wheels turned in a little bit, you know, and it's easy to sit on the sideline and say, as an armchair quarterback and say, oh, this is what I'll do, you know, blah, blah, blah.

36:53.60
Jeremy
With it?

36:58.59
Jeremy
Yeah, no.

36:59.75
Buddy
But, you know, when you have a starving kids, you know, a family that hasn't eaten in a couple of days and they're dehydrated and you can see their eyes are sunken in and, you know, you all the all the signs and they need something, you know,

37:13.32
Buddy
i I have a hard time of not trying to help them out a little bit. I might not invite them in my home, but I might help them out, you know, and say, Hey, you know, where, where are you trying to go?

37:18.49
Jeremy
Yeah.

37:24.42
Buddy
you just need help. Well, here's a little bit of food. Here's little bit of water. i'm going to send you on your way. I can help you, you know, with some maps or something, you know, there's, there's ways I can set them up for success, but ultimately, you know, it's not my damn fault.

37:33.09
Jeremy
Yeah.

37:38.13
Buddy
Yeah. that they didn't go and buy, ah you know, ammo every month. I have an allotment for stuff. You know what I mean

37:44.81
Jeremy
Yeah.

37:45.71
Buddy
Ammo, food, water, whatever it may be. And I've been doing it for years. So it's not my damn fault. You had your head up your ass and you didn't, you know,

37:55.67
Jeremy
yeah

37:55.92
Buddy
Think about this shit because you have normalcy bias, you know, come on. So yeah, I'll help you out. I'll be a ah good human and I'll, I'll try to get you where you're going, but you know, fuck, let come in and eat all my food.

38:06.01
Jeremy
Yeah.

38:08.38
Jeremy
and And that's, you just brought up an interesting point of having, and a lot of people don't, you know, when they think about this lifestyle, they're like, oh my God, I got to go buy this.

38:08.53
Buddy
Come on.

38:16.26
Jeremy
got to buy that. to You don't eat an elephant in one sitting. You take it bite by bite. So you allot. So like my allotment starts with water, then food, then medical, then ammo, then gear.

38:31.58
Jeremy
And then last is typically combo. um But in that order, and if I'm at the store and I know I'm going to pick up, let's say I need three u cans of Rotel. going to go ahead and buy five and stash two.

38:44.04
Jeremy
I'm going to buy a pack of ah large pack of you know toilet paper for the house. I'm going to buy a smaller one and stash it. um if they If people would think about that and just kind of slowly take it on and not freak out because it's very much a marathon. It's not a sprint.

39:02.66
Jeremy
um And that way, if something – go ahead.

39:06.03
Keith
and And to your point, I'm sorry, cut you off. And to your point to what you just said, if you are the type of person that is going to take in people, that's your goal, that your that your desire in life is to help other people.

39:09.59
Jeremy
Yeah.

39:18.84
Keith
Maybe while you're buying your stuff, you also are buying stuff for for them as well. you're You're adding to the pot. If you're buying five cans of beans for you, an extra can goes into this little pile over here for the people who might show up.

39:25.85
Jeremy
Yeah.

39:30.87
Jeremy
Yeah. And that goes back to that episode.

39:31.50
Keith
An interesting thing, which one is that?

39:32.79
Jeremy
Y'all did. It was quite some time ago with the pre-packed care packages.

39:36.07
Keith
Oh, right. the Get on down the road pack. Yeah. and and And I had like, you know, water and some and some snacks and some bandages and things like that.

39:40.60
Jeremy
Yes.

39:46.97
Keith
But, you know, Rhonda came up with like, you know, personal hygiene stuff to throw in there too, you know, and they're like, oh, I didn't think about that.

39:53.82
Jeremy
Yeah.

39:54.01
Buddy
Yeah.

39:56.16
Keith
You know, it's interesting on Homestead, they had a chalkboard that was like a 5x10 or something.

39:56.35
Jeremy
Yeah.

39:56.79
Buddy
and

40:01.32
Keith
It was the size of a wall. And they had every single thing that that at the consumable listed, you know, in a row. And then across, they had... you know how many mouths they had, how long they had to eat it, when will it go bad, there's some blah blah, blah, blah, blah. And every single time they brought people in, if they had to, those numbers at the very end, as in we have enough to last till December, now it's now it's November.

40:25.82
Keith
And every day brought some more people in, now it's you know October. you know It just kept dwindling. It's a real it's a mathematical equation.

40:34.48
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. At, at, you know, what is it?

40:36.68
Keith
Calories per person is what comes down to.

40:40.64
Jeremy
ah Is it, is it 2000 or is it 1200 X amount of calories per day, per person by age, by weight, by, you know, in water, one gallon per day, per person, by age, by weight, by gender, yada, yada, yada.

40:50.68
Keith
That's right.

40:55.98
Jeremy
Oh my gosh, dude. That's a lot of, and I'm not, I don't i don't do the math.

40:59.86
Keith
It's a lot of math.

41:01.62
Buddy
Damn, I would have to take my i'd have to take my boots off to count on my toes for that yeah

41:01.90
Keith
It's a lot of math.

41:06.66
Jeremy
and okay I let Missy do the math. She's good her at mathing and I just, i can't I can't keep up with those kinds of numbers.

41:11.37
Keith
ah She's a gooder.

41:15.22
Jeremy
I know general, like, you know, I've got five people and I need a gallon per day and I want it to last this long. That's simple math. But if you start doing like caloric intake counts and all that stuff, I'm like, oh my gosh, dude, just eat the damn MRE and be quiet.

41:29.66
Keith
Oh, yeah.

41:31.58
Jeremy
You know, like,

41:31.91
Keith
I know they they in in this show in this movie, that that's what he had they had like you know like they had the kids listed out on one line how many of the more they, how many calories would take per day, how many calories per month.

41:42.56
Keith
you know and And then they had workers. you know like Workers that did this work need this amount of calories. People that did this type of work needed did this type of calories. And ah this whole mathematical equation ended up with a date.

41:54.42
Keith
a day when they run out and they're there, have a problem, you know, that's their base.

41:58.67
Buddy
So they had to have they're they're feeding a whole

41:58.70
Jeremy
Yeah.

42:01.53
Buddy
like team of accountants so

42:04.80
Keith
I guess.

42:04.98
Jeremy
Wow.

42:07.66
Jeremy
Well, that's like, and, you know, again, i had to go back to the book, but one second after, um in the in the book, as this tragedy, you know, and unfolds and this town is recovering, you know, from the EMP strike and all these different things, they have to form a defense because they keep getting attacked.

42:25.55
Jeremy
So they essentially form an army and in the book, it talks about how they have to lot more food for the people serving within this army of theirs than the rest of the township, you know, cause they're under a martial law.

42:42.61
Jeremy
And at one point in time, the main character of the book ends up, he's a retired Colonel. He ends up coming, becoming like the de facto commander of this army.

42:53.80
Jeremy
Um, But yeah, that that part, i can you know i can kind of understand that because if you're doing the stuff and you're doing the work and you need more calories, that's just the bottom line.

43:07.98
Keith
Yeah, that's that's exactly right. you need energy to move, you know.

43:10.50
Buddy
So to add to this, it's probably a different episode, but what happens when you run out, you've got three months left on your, your magical equation.

43:21.46
Buddy
And, uh, what do you do then? You know, is it time to start rating?

43:24.01
Jeremy
Hmm.

43:25.84
Buddy
You know, what, what, what's, what's up next? You know?

43:30.92
Jeremy
Well, I mean, a great question.

43:31.17
Buddy
So.

43:35.05
Keith
Well, rationing is a is a ah is is a technique, but rationing should not take place when you're in need. Rationing needs to take place when you perceive, ah when you predict that you're going to be in need.

43:46.95
Buddy
well

43:47.10
Jeremy
Right.

43:47.01
Keith
So if you have if you have six months, ah well, like Rhonda and I, we have our we have a year at least a year's worth of food for the two of us. If we brought our children in, you knock you knock months off. You knock so much time off that.

44:02.38
Keith
Tons of time off that. So at what point do you ration? The very second SHTF starts, I think that's probably the best place to to ration.

44:10.13
Buddy
Yes, that's what I'm doing.

44:12.53
Keith
You know, and you you start, right? and you If your calories are 2,000 a day, when SHTF happens, your calories are now 1,000 a thousand a day each. And if you're doing nothing that day, it's 500, or maybe you don't eat at all.

44:27.48
Keith
You know, if you're doing something, something that's, you know, gardening and something that's requiring, then you use, then you use those calories, but it should not be you're using your supplies all the way down to the end. Oh, we only got three weeks left. We got to start rationing.

44:40.18
Keith
That's the wrong time to do it.

44:41.63
Buddy
Well, that's why I'm carrying around a bunch of extra body fat at all times so I can you know go at least a couple weeks.

44:47.73
Keith
Yeah.

44:47.92
Buddy
I'll go a couple weeks without eating and I'm fine.

44:48.29
Keith
Yeah.

44:50.58
Buddy
It's a technique.

44:50.63
Jeremy
What a sacrifice.

44:50.98
Keith
it's funny It's funny you say that, but you you know you you watch those the shows alone, and ah there are people who pack on weight just for that exact reason, and that weight disappears, man.

45:03.07
Jeremy
So fast.

45:02.99
Keith
It doesn't take but like three weeks, and it's gone.

45:06.54
Jeremy
That's such a noble sacrifice. Hey, man, you want to do some cardio?

45:08.81
Keith
It is.

45:10.01
Jeremy
No, thanks. I'm saving up for shit. Hit the fan. Yeah.

45:14.32
Buddy
Thank you.

45:14.38
Jeremy
um I mean, and in the here's a question. Can you practice that rationing just as ah as a drill? you know like Because I know Missy can definitely, and she has, done an actual fast.

45:28.77
Jeremy
Um, and she's still very active during that timeframe. I don't think that I could, um one, I'm hypoglycemic, but two, I just don't know if I have the, uh, the mental capacity to do that kind of fast, but, you know, going back to kids, kids will eat literally everything in sight just because it physically exists or they're bored nonstop, dude.

45:54.08
Keith
Yeah, nonstop. Yep.

45:56.96
Jeremy
Um,

45:58.07
Keith
My 20-something-year-old son was here about six months ago or so, whatever it was. And I had a bunch of those frozen pizzas and made one for him ate the whole thing.

46:05.41
Jeremy
Oh my gosh.

46:06.94
Keith
And when he was done eating the whole thing, he said, get any more? I made another whole entire frozen pizza and he ate the whole thing again.

46:12.39
Jeremy
Yeah.

46:12.47
Keith
And he's like six-something and skinny as ah as a as a rail.

46:16.97
Jeremy
Yeah.

46:16.92
Keith
And he ate few whole entire pizzas.

46:19.21
Jeremy
Vacuums, dude.

46:20.34
Buddy
damn

46:20.40
Jeremy
Vacuums.

46:20.60
Keith
Yep.

46:22.10
Jeremy
Yeah. um I mean, man there's so many questions to ponder. um But, you know, you're talking about their mathematical equation and how closely they tracked everything.

46:37.35
Jeremy
And I think that would also, you know, if you're actually having a crew watch this and and dole this stuff out, if something work to come up a little short here or there, even in small numbers, somebody is going to start to take notice.

46:53.10
Jeremy
And that might be a way to figure out that there is something going on, you know, within your group or within, you know, your, ah you know, whomever you have with you, they might be taking more than they're supposed to.

47:10.96
Keith
Yeah, it's like what Negan said on Walking Dead. He's like, oh, you have a fat girl watching the the food? It's the same thing with me. um ah you know if Don't get me watching the food because I'm going to eat some stuff when you're not looking. i mean If there's a Snickers bar staring at me, it's getting ate.

47:28.25
Jeremy
Yeah.

47:28.21
Keith
That's all there is to do

47:29.56
Jeremy
Man, I do love me some Snickers. um

47:31.31
Keith
That's what I'm saying.

47:32.84
Jeremy
Yeah, i can I can understand that. And you know I look at our our, like me and Missy. If it was just me and Missy, I'd be the one like, oh my God, I'm so hungry.

47:46.92
Jeremy
get Give me one of the dogs. I'm just going to go ahead and sacrifice them and call it a day. Um, that would be me. Uh, I would have to really work on containing myself and my, my desire for food, which I've done before out of necessity.

48:03.76
Keith
It's idle hands.

48:04.84
Jeremy
It is.

48:04.88
Keith
If you're not, you if you're not doing something, man, you're going to get hungry fast.

48:06.79
Jeremy
Yeah.

48:07.58
Buddy
Thank you.

48:07.81
Jeremy
Yeah. Um, and man, so many, so many things to consider. um but you know, talking about expulsion again,

48:19.89
Jeremy
um you know, how far are you willing to go? and at what stage, like if it's an immediate thing, yeah, that's easy. I think that's probably a pretty easy answer, but if we're talking like well into this thing and you realize that this person is either one, just a sack of worthlessness or two, they have nefarious intent and you're already like months, you know, potentially a year or more into this thing.

48:50.12
Jeremy
Like how far are you willing to take it? You know what I mean? Because I know me and I know what I would do to protect the others.

48:55.24
Keith
Yeah, that's right.

48:58.42
Jeremy
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. And that's a quote from Spock. um But um then i and I do truly believe in that.

49:06.77
Keith
that's right

49:10.22
Jeremy
you know How do you protect? do you Do you go after the one or then do you able to protect the 99? That's kind of the big question there. Yeah.

49:20.89
Keith
I think of the in a Tiat Waki, no rule of law situation where the timeframe is unknown um and you're going to be in this thing forever, if that's the case, I think that the world has changed and times have changed and you're not everybody, but somebody's mind has to change. It has to be the type of person that's able to make that decision without asking somebody else, without telling them they're going to do it.

49:47.11
Keith
And that just has to be done.

49:48.76
Jeremy
Yeah.

49:48.96
Keith
And that's just the way to you know, if you were at the front gate and there's a marauders coming at you, you're taking your firearm. And even if you've never shot one before, you are taking your firearm and you're going to aim it at them and you're going to shoot.

50:01.26
Keith
That's a no brainer. They're coming to attack you. You're going shoot. And that's the end of it. You're going to take them out. It's the same thing, but it's, it's, ah it's it's ah it's, it's more subtle. It's the same thing. If you get somebody on the inside, who's doing it to you don't even know it, who, or can do it to you.

50:17.00
Keith
And if you kick them out and you say, you're not one of us and you kick them out, they are now potentially very, very dangerous. They know exactly how to get in, when to get in, how to get in, who to get, how to get it, and all that stuff.

50:28.32
Jeremy
yeah

50:29.38
Keith
They know everything that they need to know to go in and clean you out. And all that takes really is somebody coming in and taking out a couple of main top people, and that's it.

50:37.96
Jeremy
Yeah.

50:38.28
Keith
They got they got the run of the whole place.

50:40.04
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

50:41.38
Keith
So you have to make that decision.

50:41.58
Jeremy
And,

50:42.66
Keith
yet somebody Your mind has to change, your demeanor, your whole way of thought process has to change, The very second that the world goes down the tubes, the very second that the EMP happens or the nuclear bomb hits or you know Europe gets taken down, that very second, your mind has to change.

51:03.23
Jeremy
Yeah.

51:03.58
Keith
You have to go into operator mode immediately. You have to stop everything and you have to change the way you're thinking. The world has changed around you.

51:10.73
Buddy
Well, and everybody's so used to, oh, you know, my electricity goes off.

51:10.94
Jeremy
Yeah.

51:14.85
Buddy
It's going to come back on in a few hours or maybe a couple days. You know, I think the longest I ever went was like three days without electricity in an ice storm. So, you know, you can stand on your head for three days.

51:28.54
Buddy
Most people can at least. But, you know, what happens... what happens if it lasts six months, three months, a year, two years, so you know, are you going to be able to save enough food to last two years?

51:45.05
Buddy
You know, so you got to have a contingency plan in there because, you know, people are going eventually come find you. ah And if you're, you know, two or three weeks into it, the people, you know, you're in the rural area or you have a bug out location, you know, out in the country because nobody has one in the middle of the city.

52:03.70
Jeremy
Yeah.

52:05.07
Buddy
the lines of drift, the people from the city are starting going to get hungry. They're going to root. They're going to go in there and they're going to loot, rape, pillage, and plunder the city. And then when they, all those resources are gone, they're going to start moving out to the suburbs and then to the rural areas.

52:21.02
Buddy
And, uh, you know, if if we didn't learn anything from the zombie apocalypse movies and, you know, walking dead, basically that's the lesson I took from it, you know?

52:30.95
Jeremy
Yeah. They're going to follow the sounds and the smells. you know and ah you know i i've heard a lot of people say well like well if anything happens i'm just gonna go in the wood and i'm going to hunt deer and squirrel ah dude deer and squirrel and anything that's edible is going to become extinct in a very very short amount of time

52:50.71
Buddy
Choo-choo.

52:54.80
Buddy
Sounds like

52:55.65
Jeremy
yeah it's uh it seems to be more prevalent in the evening time um

53:00.17
Buddy
ah was like my in the morning train.

53:04.14
Jeremy
and Oh my gosh. And, you know, again, I'm up here in Pennsylvania doing right now. And, um, uh, the first night I was here, I was like, what in the world? I keep hearing all these crazy sounds and I'm not, I don't like cities and, um, I don't, I don't really, don't know. It was weird. I just kept hearing these crazy sounds and I got up in the morning and was walking around and I realized was almost reminding me of poltergeist, but one of the trees on the side of the house, a branch has grown completely into the soffit.

53:36.66
Jeremy
And all night it was just sitting there grinding right next to ah to the window.

53:41.90
Keith
That's horror movie kind of stuff right there, man.

53:43.20
Jeremy
yeah I mean, I kept waking up and I was looking out to my truck and I was like, is somebody messing with my truck? And I was like, I'm holding my pistol and I'm looking and I'm like, what is that sound?

53:54.10
Jeremy
there's some kind of creature in here with me. And the next ruin morning, I'm like, it's a stupid branch.

53:59.06
Keith
Yeah, no, it's it's not a branch. No, it's it's it's the red right hand of the devil, and it's scratching at your walls.

54:03.30
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

54:04.74
Keith
you know It's ah

54:06.20
Jeremy
Yeah, and it's ah it's a so it's a cedar tree too, and it's like really gangly looking, you know. um But back to the subject at hand, um you know, which is, yeah.

54:17.38
Keith
which is about to end soon, right?

54:20.05
Jeremy
um I think that as this is the the the final part of, and I think it's probably fitting that it is you know, this, the worst part of the group, you know, think like, this is the one part that nobody really wants to do.

54:36.00
Jeremy
um So I think it is fitting that we wrap up this series with that, you know, like, you got to ponder the questions of, you know, ah ultimately, what are you willing to do to protect your family, your group, and the things that you've prepared for?

54:53.74
Jeremy
Like, how far are you willing to go to protect those things?

54:57.57
Buddy
Well, that's a good point. You know, part of the preparedness world, the the prepping world is to prepare for whatever happens. So you might as well start preparing for what's going to happen when this kind of scenario hits you.

55:09.81
Buddy
You know, are you going to take them Are you going to not let them in? Are you going to kick them out? Are you going not kick them out?

55:14.75
Jeremy
Are you going to be able to handle the sad eyes of a hungry child?

55:14.91
Buddy
You know.

55:18.76
Buddy
Woo, you went there.

55:19.67
Jeremy
Ooh, that was deep, yo.

My Prepper Brothers and Sisters…

Excluding a person or family from your Prepper Group will be one of the hardest choices you’ll make as a leader. You just - can’t – let, everyone in… Mathematics won’t allow it. Impossible choices will have to be made.

Another horrible decision is banishment. 

Being forcibly removed and forever banished from group, whether from a perceived violation of the rules, or maybe from unacceptable behavior,... can be a very difficult experience for the person being kicked out. It can lead to feelings of rejection, isolation, and hurt. Pain… is a powerful emotion… it’s also a powerful motivator, that will no doubt, lead to revenge… and, possibly the downfall of your Prepper Group.

Think on this… deeply… and prepare yourself… cuz this is one Prep, you cannot do without.

Stay Prepped… Stay Happy…

Thanks for listening… and… Goodnight...




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