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188 Tick Defense - Pest Management 101
Tonight, Rhonda and Buddy join me to discuss pest management while you’re bugging out deep in the woods, or hiking the trail, enjoying the park, or even in your own yard or outdoor space. Let's Get To It...
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- 3 cups of each: baking soda, washing soda, borax
- 1-1/2 cups of epsom salt
- 1/8 cup sea salt
- 15-20 drops of Essential oil for fragrance
1. Mix well in a 5 gallon bucket or other large, air tight container.
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LONE STAR CURSE SONG by MUCK ETHERTON
There are lots of critters out there, many of which can be carrying dangerous, and sometimes deadly, infectious diseases. As Preppers and Survivalists,… Homesteaders and Hobby farmers… we tend to spend a lot of time in nature. We could be training for a bugout scenario, tending our raised beds and gardens, or just having a nice wall with the dog… these activities will often put us in direct contact with insects that want to take a bite of us… sometimes without us even knowing that we’ve been bitten.
This is not an ideal situation to be in, when you’re bugging out to a secure location in the woods dur
I want to thank y’all for joining us…
We’ve got a great show for ya...
Tonight, Rhonda and Buddy join me to discuss pest management while you’re bugging out deep in the woods, or hiking the trail, enjoying the park, or even in your own yard or outdoor space.
There are lots of critters out there, many of which can be carrying dangerous, and sometimes deadly, infectious diseases. As Preppers and Survivalists,… Homesteaders and Hobby farmers… we tend to spend a lot of time in nature. We could be training for a bugout scenario, tending our raised beds and gardens, or just having a nice wall with the dog… these activities will often put us in direct contact with insects that want to take a bite of us… sometimes without us even knowing that we’ve been bitten.
This is not an ideal situation to be in, when you’re bugging out to a secure location in the woods during an SHTF event.
Many of these bugs, Like Ticks,… carry highly infectious diseases, Like…
Lyme Disease and Alpha-Gal Syndrome… both of which, have no cure.
We’ll talk about these threats… how to identify the specific symptoms…and how to protect yourself going forward.
We’ll also talk about pests in your garden… how to I.D. them, and deter them from showing up in the first place.
So… Let’s Get To It…
00:00:00.16
Keith
dude how long do you think the podcast is gonna be
00:00:03.27
Rhonda
Uh...
00:00:03.29
Buddy
It'll be done by the time we're done. So, um, and the warnings back up. So I guess we'll just go with it. I'll, uh, I'll let me get up and turn off the printer. I don't really need it.
00:00:14.95
Keith
yeah and well i mean what what are you printing like stuff from school
00:00:18.82
Buddy
Yeah. It was a fact sheet from OSU, um, Oklahoma state university that, that, uh, basically I can pull it up on my computer, I guess. Um, I have it on my phone. It's just, I can't see it.
00:00:32.11
Buddy
My, my vision is not what it used to be.
00:00:36.28
Keith
um How long do you think for your printer just to get done?
00:00:38.90
Buddy
Fuck. Who knows, man. and started printing it a minute ago and got about halfway through the page, through the page and it just shit. on it It was like, dude.
00:00:44.71
Keith
and you Did you buy it in like 1989? Or I mean, when when did you buy the printer?
00:00:47.65
Buddy
Yeah. It's when I buy it like 2016, maybe 2017, something like that. It's old.
00:00:53.95
Keith
one So those ones that go zzzit, zzzit, zzzit.
00:00:57.36
Buddy
hey And it's got the perforations on the side.
00:00:59.23
Rhonda
yeah
00:01:02.82
Keith
I remember those with the little circles on the side that pulls it up.
00:01:06.20
Buddy
Yeah. um No, I was going to replace it this Christmas, and I'm glad I didn't because the one I was going to buy, it was on sale. You know, those flash sales on Amazon.
00:01:20.36
Buddy
But the girlfriend got one, and it just sucks. Nobody can print anything on It's weird. So I'm glad I didn't.
00:01:26.98
Keith
So you're you're going to mention stuff tonight about pests that are in your garden or just in general? What's your plan?
00:01:36.03
Buddy
Well, I was going to talk about, I thought we were going to talk about plants.
00:01:37.86
Rhonda
Thank you.
00:01:40.42
Buddy
I got like, there's certain plants that keep pefs pests away, if that makes sense.
00:01:45.55
Keith
Yeah. Well, no, that's perfect. That's good. Cause Rhonda, go ahead.
00:01:47.82
Buddy
And I was going to, I was going to talk about different pests that would get in there and and the plants that would, you know, mitigate it, but it's not really working out for me here.
00:01:59.34
Buddy
It's all in this fact sheet that's not printing.
00:02:01.67
Keith
Well, um, We can do that. we'll We'll go with, we'll start with me and Rhonda and then you can go afterwards. Hopefully you'll have everything by then. And and we're just going to run through it quick, you know, like bullet point kind of stuff. We're not going to get into deep conversations about anything, but.
00:02:16.40
Buddy
All right, well then i will turn off the printer because that you'll hear it in the background. And I'll just rock. i' call I got it on my phone.
00:02:23.53
Keith
I don't.
00:02:24.12
Buddy
i I'll put on my my glasses and see what I can get.
00:02:27.07
Keith
Yeah, put your old man glasses on. You'll be all right.
00:02:30.27
Buddy
right. I'm going to turn it off now.
00:02:41.33
Keith
Those things are just creepy looking. There's a picture of one of a tick on my computer screen.
00:02:47.20
Rhonda
gross. gross
00:02:50.98
Keith
They move pretty fast too. I had it. I picked it up ahead in my hand and I couldn't even, it was like crawling around my hand super fast.
00:02:57.68
Buddy
You already got bugs and stuff.
00:02:57.78
Keith
They move. Oh yeah. We're getting there.
00:03:00.72
Buddy
wow Wow. What's the weather there today?
00:03:04.04
Keith
I think it's in the like seventies. Yeah. But we had like 80 a couple of days ago. yeah.
00:03:09.31
Buddy
Yeah, we're supposed to get 90 something tomorrow. Like, could it's going to hit 100 parts of the state, so not looking forward to that shit at all.
00:03:15.99
Keith
Yeah. Uh-uh. Hell no.
00:03:18.96
Buddy
It's already started.
00:03:19.33
Keith
All right. All right.
00:03:20.66
Buddy
sorryort
00:03:20.62
Keith
So tonight we're going to be talking about, well we're going to talking about pests and pest management and pest awareness, different things like that.
00:03:30.67
Keith
ah I think a lot of it's going to be coming from Rhonda. Rhonda is with us tonight. Isn't that awesome?
00:03:36.15
Rhonda
Howdy.
00:03:36.21
Keith
Say howdy.
00:03:37.68
Buddy
Hooray, yay.
00:03:37.97
Keith
So, yep. So, and she wants to talk about some tick-borne diseases and things like that. So I've got in front of me, the CDC says tick-borne diseases are illnesses transmitted to humans through the bite of infected ticks.
00:03:53.58
Keith
That's the key is infected ticks, not all ticks, infected ticks. ah These diseases can be caused by bacteria, viruses, and or parasites and include conditions like Lyme disease, anaplasmosis, virus disease, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, and others.
00:04:09.96
Rhonda
Ehrlichiosis.
00:04:20.44
Keith
um Lyme disease is probably one of the most popular, not popular, but one of the most prevalent ones that are out there. It's a bacteria infection, often causing like flu system ah symptoms and potentially affecting the nervous system, heart, liver, eyes, and joints. and Lyme disease is one of those things that you can't get rid of, by the way.
00:04:40.38
Keith
um Once you get it, you get it. And you can you can manage it and you can take stuff for it, but you're always going to have it. ah There's a lot of them that are like that. um The anaplasmosis is a bacterial disease transmitted by the black leg tick, which can cause fever, headaches, muscle pain, and fatigue.
00:04:57.26
Keith
The auriculosis is another bacterial disease also transmitted by the black leg tick with symptoms similar to anaplasmosis.
00:05:08.46
Keith
Bobbombia. Babus, what it was it babuiosis Babusiosis? Babusiosis. It looks like babesiosis, but it's like babusiosis, how pronounced. It's a protozoan infection that can cause fevers, chills, headaches, and fatigue.
00:05:23.08
Keith
The Powisan virus disease is viral inflection transmitted to bitex in the Northeast and upper Midwest, which can cause a potentially serious ah encephalitis.
00:05:36.48
Keith
Did say that right?
00:05:37.45
Rhonda
Brain swelling.
00:05:37.42
Keith
Encephalitis? Oh, damn, that would suck. Uh, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, which I got last year from, uh, from a tick and, um, really screwed me up.
00:05:49.03
Keith
Uh, serious bacterial disease transmitted by American dog ticks, Rocky Mountain wood ticks, the brown dog tick and brown dog ticks, uh, often caused often causing fever, headache, rash, and abdominal pain.
00:06:02.19
Keith
Um, I had really, I had really high fevers, uh, headaches and very, i was sleepy. don't remember any abdominal pain, but you know what, the way Rhonda cooks, I always have abdominal pain.
00:06:12.86
Keith
So, um, to the Ramia, that's it right to the Ramia, a bacterial disease caused by Francisilla tolerances, which can cause fever, lethargy, lethargy and other symptoms.
00:06:13.18
Rhonda
Okay.
00:06:29.80
Keith
And, um, Heartland virus disease, a tick-borne viral infection that can cause fever, fatigue, and other symptoms. And last but definitely not least, because it's probably the number one out there, is the alpha-gal syndrome.
00:06:44.76
Keith
It's a condition triggered by a bite from an infected tick, causing a reaction to meat, particularly red meat. And Ronna's going to be talking about some of that tonight.
00:06:54.11
Rhonda
Mm-hmm.
00:06:54.26
Keith
She has a stat from about Africa that just blew me away. and She'll get into that in a minute. um ah Here's some important notes that the CDC says early detection and treatment are crucial for managing tick-borne diseases.
00:07:08.47
Keith
Taking precautions to avoid tick bites, such as wearing protective clothing and using insect repellent is essential. And if you suspect suspect a tick-borne illness, consult a healthcare professional professional for diagnosis and treatment immediately.
00:07:23.16
Keith
And that is really the key to it. if you feel If you live in any place where there are ticks, and by the way, ticks are everywhere in the United States. And I would assume all over the world. I didn't look. I didn't check other countries.
00:07:35.10
Keith
I would assume it's the same in other places. But, you know, people say, well, the... the the ah The deer ticks, those are only on the East Coast. That's crap. They're not. they're They're everywhere.
00:07:45.66
Keith
And the the Lone Star tick, which has nothing to do with Texas, it's called that because it has a white dot on its back, so it looks like the Lone Star flag type of deal.
00:07:56.49
Keith
That's why it was named. actually started in New England and worked its way down through the East coast and then out, you know, the West. And and we, Rhonda says something about California having less issues with ticks than other areas. Now that could be a climate thing. I don't really know, but ticks are everywhere from coast to coast, from North to South. They're all over the place. you're going to go in the woods, if you're going to practice your survival skills and,
00:08:23.55
Keith
You know, you're build that shelter and you're going to lay down those leaves.
00:08:24.14
Rhonda
Thank you.
00:08:27.01
Keith
You are laying down with ticks, period. End of discussion. They are there. Now, whether you get bit, that's another thing. And whether or not they're they're going to transmit a disease to you is a whole nother thing.
00:08:39.35
Keith
But you should know these things before you, you know, take on those those types of, what do i what do I want to say? Before you start doing those ah types of what I want to say, uh, training.
00:08:54.98
Keith
So there you go. And that's really all that I found. I mean, there there's, you can go way, way deep into it, but if you think, if you think that you are immune from ticks or other stinging things, you're not.
00:09:07.68
Keith
So Rhonda, take it away and let us know what you got going on.
00:09:13.80
Rhonda
Okay. Well, I'm not going to get too deep into the scientific part of it, but AlphaGal is, it stands for Galactose Alpha 1, 3 Galactose.
00:09:25.81
Rhonda
And don't ask me why it has Galactose in there twice.
00:09:28.40
Keith
ah stop right there where is your microphone because you're way loud
00:09:30.01
Rhonda
What?
00:09:34.12
Rhonda
Well, damn. It's the first time I've heard you say that to me.
00:09:38.07
Keith
look look at your sign signature wave you see how big it is compared to like mine oh I see so where is your microphone are you wearing a headset microphone okay can you pull it away from your mouth a little bit it's the same but
00:09:41.60
Rhonda
I'm looking at my webpage, not my meeting.
00:09:48.85
Rhonda
Yes,
00:09:51.98
Rhonda
I guess. Okay, how's that?
00:09:56.63
Rhonda
I can ah can turn it down on my mic. Hang on just second. System settings.
00:10:01.43
Keith
Yeah, do that. Do that stuff.
00:10:02.12
Rhonda
Input. Input volume is all the way up. How's this?
00:10:07.93
Keith
Talk.
00:10:09.00
Rhonda
Hello. Check, check.
00:10:09.85
Keith
Yep, much better.
00:10:11.02
Rhonda
Okay. Okay.
00:10:11.55
Keith
All right. So, Rondo, so what do you got tonight to talk about with when it comes to tick-borne diseases?
00:10:18.28
Rhonda
Alright, I'm going to talk about mostly about the alpha gal because that's what I have the most experience with. I'm not going to get too deep into the scientific part of it because it's very complicated.
00:10:30.25
Rhonda
But I will tell you alpha-gal stands for galactose alpha-1,3-galactose, which is a disaccharide or a a sugar molecule that all mammals carry except for old world monkeys, apes, and humans.
00:10:51.56
Rhonda
And the reason people become sensitive to this after they get bitten by a lone star tick that's carrying it ah is because their body develops a ah reaction to it. It recognizes it as a foreign body somehow.
00:11:07.76
Rhonda
um I'm going to mess it up. it's It's way too complex for me to talk about. um
00:11:14.93
Keith
We'll dumb it down.
00:11:16.46
Rhonda
Well, your body, when you when you get the alpha... gal molecule in your body from a tick, it sort of wakes up your immune system.
00:11:26.68
Rhonda
And then when you eat mammal or come in contact with mammal products, your body, um your immune system sees that and recognizes it as something that's not supposed to be there and attacks.
00:11:40.37
Keith
So it's it's actually allergy.
00:11:43.08
Rhonda
It's, it is an allergy.
00:11:45.40
Keith
okay
00:11:45.59
Rhonda
ah I think alpha gal is a very misunderstood allergy because if you've ever heard anything about it, you've probably heard that it's a red meat allergy. And that's just like a very small part of it.
00:11:59.81
Rhonda
It's so much bigger than that.
00:12:01.27
Keith
It's way bigger than that.
00:12:01.51
Rhonda
Hmm.
00:12:02.35
Keith
remember hearing about it when we first moved to, uh, ah to Missouri. And there, it was something like, uh, it causes you to not be able to eat red meat. And I was like, Oh damn, man, I would love to eat a steak and then it would just taste bad. That sucks. No, it's not that at all.
00:12:17.27
Keith
You have a, an allergy to, to the hormones that are in anything that has, that is a mammal that has hair. So like foul, like birds, foul, chicken, turkeys, that kind of stuff, emu, fish that doesn't, they don't have it.
00:12:36.14
Keith
It's only mammals.
00:12:37.54
Rhonda
Yes. And everyone is different. So some people may be able to eat pork and not get sick, where other people can't eat anything related to pork, like even the casing on a sausage would be bad.
00:12:51.93
Keith
I've heard of people that can't even wear leather on their skin. Oh, didn't think about that.
00:12:54.74
Rhonda
can Or wool or even, i mean, it can some people can be so sensitive that they can't even be around the fumes if someone's barbecuing.
00:12:57.92
Keith
Yeah.
00:13:04.51
Rhonda
And when I say that, I don't mean that they just feel bad or think it's gross. I mean, they go into they get very sick and even go into anaphylactic shock and have to have an EpiPen.
00:13:16.22
Keith
Right. And I've got EpiPens.
00:13:17.03
Rhonda
Like, it's it's a serious thing.
00:13:18.83
Keith
And I've got EpiPens for beekeeping. So I've got an extra one, which Rhonda keeps with her. she doesn't have She's never had ah that situation. But if if we do, we have have it.
00:13:29.08
Rhonda
So fortunately, we weren't eating a lot of ah red meat, not very frequently anyway, when this came about.
00:13:29.05
Keith
so
00:13:36.96
Rhonda
ah So most of the, yeah, steak was a, ah you know, once in a while treat.
00:13:37.47
Keith
We're a chicken and turkey family. Yeah.
00:13:44.07
Keith
Right.
00:13:45.01
Rhonda
But most of the symptoms I was having, I didn't know that I was sick with that. I was just ah having a lot more arthritis pain. I was having trouble bending down on my knees, you know, and standing back up.
00:13:57.68
Rhonda
um But my bones were aching. ah My muscles were aching. and This was all random. It wasn't all at the same time. It was come and go. And then I was having um cognitive symptoms with my memory and being confused. And I don't know if you can even remember.
00:14:17.44
Rhonda
At some point, I could barely form a sentence because I just couldn't think.
00:14:21.23
Keith
Right.
00:14:21.71
Rhonda
And it got so bad, I had to talk to my boss at work about it.
00:14:21.90
Keith
I remember. Yeah.
00:14:26.76
Rhonda
ah All of that is caused by reactions to different things. And some of the things that you can react to are not just meat and and organs of mammals, but dairy products, anything made from mammals like gelatin,
00:14:40.39
Rhonda
um ah glycerin. There's drugs. Most of the medications that come in capsules have gelatin capsules. ah that There's just so much you don't even think about. All your household products, your bath soaps, laundry soap.
00:14:57.55
Rhonda
lotions, anything in your house, if you start reading it, it's got some kind of mammal products in it.
00:15:02.67
Keith
Yeah, like and what about the gums? Like the guar gums and all that kind of stuff? That's also part of it.
00:15:07.03
Rhonda
So that's a whole other side of it because that's not a mammal product and neither is carrageenan, which is a red seaweed. Both of those are used in a lot of foods as thickeners or um ah different, you know, for texture of food.
00:15:23.52
Rhonda
And they're not mammals, but they carry an alpha-gal epitope or something. I don't i don't know if I pronounced that correctly. But it causes the sensitivity the same way as a mammal product does.
00:15:38.86
Keith
right
00:15:39.40
Rhonda
So I was drinking almond milk and, you know, oat milk thinking... I'm staying away from dairy and it was causing, you know, unbeknownst to me, it was causing me to just ache constantly.
00:15:51.57
Keith
Because it had the guar gum or one of those kind of gums in it.
00:15:53.03
Rhonda
Yes. Yeah. So now we make our own oat milk and rice milk and and don't have that problem.
00:16:03.74
Rhonda
Um, one thing that I thought was interesting though, is ah And, you know, it seems to be, there's there's not a lot of awareness about it, but it is actually the number one trigger of anaphylaxis, which is the severe reaction where your throat swells and you can't breathe and it's deadly. If you don't get, you know, if you don't get to a hospital a time or have an EpiPen, it can kill you.
00:16:30.40
Rhonda
Alpha-gal is the number one trigger amongst all the anaphylaxis cases where they were able to determine a cause. So sometimes they can't figure out why somebody had a reaction. But in all the times that they did figure it out, alpha-gal was the number one cause.
00:16:45.87
Keith
it's ah It's a lot more prevalent than people think it is. Tell me what you said about Africa.
00:16:52.41
Rhonda
Well, hold on. I got one more stat about that.
00:16:54.41
Keith
Okay.
00:16:54.92
Rhonda
The number of alpha-gal anaphylaxis cases is more than all the other food allergies combined.
00:17:03.65
Keith
Wow.
00:17:03.83
Rhonda
Think about that, peanuts and whatever.
00:17:05.64
Keith
Right. Right.
00:17:06.83
Rhonda
um Yeah, so it's around the world. It's all over the world with Africa having 76% of the population carrying alpha-gal syndrome.
00:17:20.70
Rhonda
76, almost everybody.
00:17:22.11
Keith
So that's almost, almost eight out of every 10 people have have alpha-gal syndrome.
00:17:28.81
Rhonda
crazy to think about.
00:17:30.33
Keith
Yeah.
00:17:31.02
Rhonda
It's mostly in Kenya. That's the densest population of alpha-gal.
00:17:32.33
Keith
and And i know I know it sounds like we're, it's like we're, you know, we're trying to make it a big deal, but trust me when I tell you, we're an alpha-gal family. It is a very big deal.
00:17:42.86
Rhonda
You know,
00:17:42.79
Keith
You have to check every single label of every single thing that you eat across the board.
00:17:48.58
Rhonda
Keith told me he liked, I was going to when Keith told me he liked alpha gals, I don't think this is what you meant.
00:17:49.07
Keith
If I'm making coffee, go ahead.
00:17:58.15
Keith
No, yeah, no, not at all. But I can tell you if I'm, if I'm making my coffee and I'm, I'm using milk, which I, I don't always, but if I'm using milk, um, I, you can't even use the same spoon in my milk to, to stir her coffee.
00:18:02.97
Buddy
Thank you.
00:18:11.35
Keith
If she puts something in it, it's, it's that, it's that crazy. Uh, everything has to be checked.
00:18:15.95
Rhonda
So South America is pretty heavy with it, with 37% of their population, mostly in Ecuador. And for the U.S., Virginia is the state that has the most alpha-gal cases, 26%.
00:18:30.35
Rhonda
And the way that is spreading across the U.S., it is all the way to the to the West Coast now, but it's becoming more and more prevalent ah ah towards the West as time goes on. It just keeps spreading.
00:18:44.07
Keith
My guess is that ah eventually it's going to become a ah ah really, really big. Well, like Lyme disease is the number one tick-borne disease out there. like ah Alpha-gal, they're saying, is a an extremely close second and will bypass Lyme's disease somewhere sometime in the next couple of years.
00:19:02.90
Keith
What is that noise? What the hell is that?
00:19:05.01
Rhonda
I don't know. It's your, it's your Balfang.
00:19:06.35
Keith
What are you doing? Well, fucking turn it off.
00:19:08.44
Rhonda
I don't know what's going on. Somebody's trying to call me.
00:19:10.23
Keith
What are you doing? There's little button on top.
00:19:11.33
Rhonda
How do you turn it off there? Okay. Got it.
00:19:14.87
Keith
The fuck?
00:19:16.12
Rhonda
I thought you were calling me.
00:19:18.57
Keith
do you Do you not have a little mute on your, you don't have that on, you just keep it going the whole time?
00:19:23.12
Rhonda
No. Yes.
00:19:25.88
Keith
Aren't you special? So, ah yeah, so they're saying that, so, what was I saying? Oh, yeah. So alpha-gal, they're they're saying that alpha-gal will surpass Lyme disease as the number one tick-borne disease in the U.S. sometime in the next couple of years.
00:19:43.43
Keith
i I think that it's going to get so bad that it's going to be talked about all the time. There's going to be super centers on it There's going to be doctors you know working on this kind of stuff. It's going to be that big of a deal.
00:19:54.72
Rhonda
Well, they did just pass a thing to where now it's classified in such a way that um money can be put towards it for research. But the reason I wanted to have this episode and talk about this is because of how long I felt bad and had no idea what was going on.
00:20:04.44
Keith
Oh, okay.
00:20:11.94
Rhonda
And there's most people are that way. Almost everybody. All the um diagnoses of alpha-gal syndrome, for the most part, are patient-driven, meaning the patient is the one that finally says, can you test me for tick diseases?
00:20:25.86
Keith
Right. And that's the key right there because they won't. If you go get it, you think if you get a blood test or they're checking for alpha gal? No, they're not. they're not checking for any of that.
00:20:34.33
Rhonda
Well, here's the thing. They were checking me. I asked them to check me for Rocky Mountain spotted fever because that's what Keith had. And they came back with ehrlichiosis and alpha gal, two totally different things.
00:20:44.08
Keith
but and the and the And the only reason why they checked me was because I asked them to.
00:20:50.30
Rhonda
Yes.
00:20:50.27
Keith
like i I had my regular blood test. like when you know When you go to the doctor, you get a blood you know blood check and they check your cholesterol and all that. They didn't mention anything about anything. And then... I went and and told them, I said, look, I got bit by a lot of ticks recently. Can you, can you check for some stuff? they were oh yeah. So they they drew blood that day and they called him back said, well, no Lyme disease. However, and you got Rocky mountain spotted fever.
00:21:12.54
Keith
And I was like, well that explains a lot. And it's also dangerous.
00:21:17.86
Rhonda
So one of the other things I wanted to mention is that um The delay in reaction is another thing that sets it apart from other allergies. You don't write react immediately. could be as little as two hours later. It could be 10 hours later in the middle of the night.
00:21:34.19
Rhonda
So a lot of times you get sick, you don't really associate it with what you ate 10 hours ago. ah And the so the reactions are so... ah inconsistent that it's, you know, some people can eat ice cream one day and the next day they're puking from it.
00:21:52.85
Rhonda
So um I was trying to figure out a pattern to it and there is no pattern.
00:21:54.80
Keith
And the symptoms are so varied.
00:21:57.77
Rhonda
It's just random.
00:22:00.08
Keith
yeah And the symptoms are so varied.
00:22:00.79
Rhonda
Yeah.
00:22:01.76
Keith
There's so many different symptoms out there from like your bones aching to you know, of being tired and being nauseous, being, you're itching, scratching, um which is a whole nother thing.
00:22:08.17
Rhonda
Itching all over. Oh my God.
00:22:13.42
Keith
Toilet paper. You can't use that either. There's certain types you can't use.
00:22:15.58
Rhonda
Oh, don't get me started on my butthole.
00:22:18.43
Keith
Paper.
00:22:19.12
Rhonda
Um. Um.
00:22:21.67
Keith
Nasty.
00:22:24.37
Rhonda
ah
00:22:24.57
Keith
but Buddy, are you still with us?
00:22:26.32
Buddy
Yeah, yeah, I'm taking us all in, but, and I think she just got the crown taken, or Jeremy got the crown taken from him for the,
00:22:29.81
Rhonda
ah
00:22:34.39
Keith
and
00:22:36.66
Keith
Jeremy no longer wears the crown for the, right?
00:22:38.08
Buddy
he no longer wears the crown for the the podcast. going It went there
00:22:42.98
Keith
Right. It went there.
00:22:44.39
Rhonda
for ah For our listeners in Australia, I wanted to mention ah the types of ticks that carry the alpha-gal vary around the world, but the one in Australia is the paralysis tick.
00:22:58.05
Rhonda
If you've heard of that, it causes people to actually become paralyzed.
00:22:59.87
Keith
I don't like that. I don't like that. man Australia's got just, I don't want to go there.
00:23:05.68
Rhonda
know.
00:23:06.46
Buddy
Thank
00:23:06.68
Keith
They got spiders. That'll kill you. They got snakes. That'll kill you. They got birds. That'll kill you. They got probably, they probably got leaves. That'll kill you. Everything's down there. Wants to kill you.
00:23:18.16
Rhonda
Feels that way.
00:23:18.30
Keith
Scary.
00:23:20.94
Rhonda
um if If anyone's interested in the more scientific part of all this, I'm going to recommend another podcast for you called This Podcast Will Kill You. um It's two ladies that are researchers, scientists. ah They describe everything in a way that that even I could understand most of it.
00:23:40.73
Rhonda
and But they also talk about, you know, the prehistoric times and where this came from. so it's it's pretty interesting.
00:23:49.47
Keith
What I don't like about alpha-gal is that there is no treatment for it at all. like As were like Lyme disease, there's treatment for Lyme disease.
00:23:54.62
Rhonda
Well, now, there is a no, there's no pills, but there's a sort of a controversial old treatment, I guess, um that is, um what do you call the needles that they stick in your skin?
00:23:57.76
Keith
But there's no pills. yeah There's pills you can take for alpha-gal?
00:24:01.22
Buddy
I don't
00:24:02.14
Keith
Okay, so no treatment then.
00:24:12.60
Keith
Oh, the acupuncture.
00:24:13.90
Rhonda
Acupuncture. They stick them in your ear, yeah and they tape them down and leave them on there for three days.
00:24:14.83
Keith
Like your ear, right? at Your ear.
00:24:17.17
Buddy
no
00:24:19.99
Keith
What?
00:24:21.25
Rhonda
Supposedly, it causes the alpha-gal to go into remission. And doesn't make it go away. ah hell.
00:24:29.26
Keith
So he's supposed to look like Pinhead for three days.
00:24:31.45
Rhonda
yeah Yeah.
00:24:32.99
Keith
What? That's messed up.
00:24:36.04
Rhonda
Some people swear by it And I have no idea how much it costs. But it's iffy if it's even going to do anything for you.
00:24:42.42
Keith
Huh. In your ear, huh?
00:24:44.73
Rhonda
Yeah.
00:24:45.52
Buddy
Yeah, I'm pretty much talked out of it.
00:24:45.52
Keith
Interesting.
00:24:46.96
Buddy
So i don't want that.
00:24:48.97
Rhonda
Yeah.
00:24:48.90
Keith
I know. No, you definitely don't want alpha guy. But look, I live in the woods. We live in the woods. and you know and And Rhonda contracted it from a tick right here in our woods on our property.
00:25:01.56
Rhonda
and I don't want to go on about it all night, but I do think it's important for people to be aware of it.
00:25:01.77
Keith
So. you know
00:25:06.63
Rhonda
And especially if you have children that are feeling bad all the time, you might need to get them checked.
00:25:11.61
Keith
Right.
00:25:12.07
Rhonda
Children have a harder time describing what's wrong with them. um The other thing to keep in mind if you do live in areas with ticks is if you get bit a second time or a third time, every additional time you get bit by an infected tick, it multiplies your sensitivity.
00:25:30.76
Rhonda
It makes it worse. So it's really important to take the prevention um seriously, which I didn't. um' you know Last summer, i was out sitting in the grass in shorts and flip-flops, and this this is what I get.
00:25:41.74
Keith
Yeah, but but I told you.
00:25:44.13
Rhonda
I did it to myself.
00:25:44.89
Keith
ah I told you, though, every single day, why are you why are you not wearing shoes? Why are you not wearing pants?
00:25:52.97
Keith
You'd be out there like almost half naked, like working on, the you know, and and the ticks are in the grass.
00:25:56.22
Rhonda
Well, isn't that the whole point of moving to the country? You can wear what you want to wear.
00:26:01.53
Keith
That is and it's definitely the point. Yep.
00:26:04.80
Buddy
Go outside and pee on the porch.
00:26:04.79
Keith
Yep.
00:26:06.00
Buddy
I mean, you know, do whatever.
00:26:06.69
Rhonda
Exactly. um Yeah. So when you go out, make sure you're spraying the DEET on your clothing. i don't know if I'd put it on my skin, but put it on your boots and your pants. You want to make sure your pants are tucked in, you're wearing long sleeves.
00:26:22.79
Rhonda
and These things, by the way, Lone Star Ticks are the, I don't know if they're the fastest ticks in the world, but I think they are. They can go from your um from your head, or I'm sorry, from your foot to your head in like 10 seconds or something.
00:26:38.58
Rhonda
It's crazy.
00:26:40.41
Keith
Damn, look at a race cars.
00:26:41.63
Rhonda
Yeah, I got to find that statistic.
00:26:44.13
Keith
Well, that one that was in my hand today that got on me when I was in the bathroom in the basement, ah it moved quick. it went it like it It circled my entire hand within like seconds. It was moving.
00:26:55.04
Keith
It was really moving.
00:26:55.40
Buddy
How big are those? Are they real small? they Are they fairly good size?
00:26:58.47
Keith
The one that was on my hand was was tiny, man. I mean, we're talking like a sixteenth of an inch. Tiny.
00:27:03.78
Rhonda
I'm glad you brought that up because another thing I read somewhere was that the tiny, what what do they call the little baby ticks?
00:27:11.36
Keith
Deertick.
00:27:12.48
Rhonda
No, the baby ones, not the larva, but they have a name for the the small ticks.
00:27:14.93
Keith
Oh.
00:27:18.35
Rhonda
But they look, they're so tiny, you can barely even tell it's a tick. It's like a dot of sand.
00:27:23.51
Keith
Huh.
00:27:23.61
Rhonda
Supposedly, those are the worst ones to watch out for, I guess, because you don't even know they're on you.
00:27:31.32
Keith
Yeah, I've had a couple of those on me. You can't tell. It looks like a speck of dirt on your skin. You can barely even see it. You're like, you need reading. I need reading glasses to find it. so And I've never really had those on me. I've seen them on you, but not on me.
00:27:43.26
Keith
I usually get the big ones. I'm big guy.
00:27:44.60
Rhonda
Well, the first yeah first time I found one of those on me, I ah scraped it off and put it on the sink.
00:27:45.36
Keith
ah get big ticks.
00:27:52.17
Rhonda
And I was like, what the fuck is that? And I had to get my phone and take a picture and zoom in And it was a damn tickle.
00:27:58.37
Keith
Right.
00:27:58.95
Rhonda
It even had legs.
00:28:00.28
Keith
I thought the deer ticks were the ones that were super tiny, but I guess I'm wrong.
00:28:04.10
Rhonda
Well, they probably all are. Nymphs. They're called nymphs.
00:28:07.44
Keith
Huh. Interesting.
00:28:09.58
Buddy
Do you guys have chiggers up there?
00:28:11.87
Keith
Oh, yeah.
00:28:13.27
Rhonda
A lot of people mistake these for triggers when they get on you around your ankles, but we do have triggers.
00:28:17.66
Keith
but i But, buddy, you can't sit can you see Jiggers?
00:28:21.80
Buddy
You know, I don't know. i I'm thinking back to, it was last fall. um Me and a friend of mine were out testing some ammo that we loaded for a customer and...
00:28:33.19
Buddy
we both came in and we were just covered with what looked like little ticks or we, I thought they were chiggers, chiggers because you could see them.
00:28:41.05
Rhonda
Mm-hmm.
00:28:41.34
Buddy
And, uh, they burrowed in like, like a chigger would. And, uh, but they were, and they were fast.
00:28:46.33
Keith
Yeah.
00:28:47.50
Buddy
So I'm wondering if they weren't ticks.
00:28:49.64
Keith
ah They're probably ticks because i I don't think you can see tick the other ones.
00:28:54.25
Rhonda
You can, but they're red.
00:28:54.31
Buddy
And,
00:28:56.61
Rhonda
i think they're noticeably red.
00:28:59.00
Buddy
We were just in tall grass.
00:28:59.23
Keith
Huh.
00:29:00.04
Buddy
what There wasn't, you know, on the outskirts of the, of the field, there was cedar trees. So maybe, i don't know, but we weren't really close to any trees. So I don't know.
00:29:10.69
Keith
It's the one thing that surprised me about ticks is that they're not, everybody thinks of ticks as being in the trees.
00:29:11.27
Buddy
Yeah.
00:29:15.74
Keith
Most of them are in the grass and like they love wood piles, anything that's woody, like a mulch, you know, and grass. They're, they're all over the grass. Now the yeah they are in the trees too, but the grass is where they mainly are.
00:29:30.44
Rhonda
And they they run for you. They come after you.
00:29:34.71
Buddy
Wow.
00:29:35.24
Rhonda
Most ticks don't do that. The Lone Star tick can ah sense, you know, where their prey is at and they literally come after you like a zombie.
00:29:40.11
Keith
The heat.
00:29:45.40
Keith
Well, they need to lit they need to survive.
00:29:45.76
Buddy
wow
00:29:47.04
Keith
They that they they eat blood. that's what they need
00:29:51.03
Rhonda
um So the last thing I want to mention is there's actually clothing that you can buy that has permethrin it. I don't know how I feel about that, but their website says that, you know, they have all these endorsements by all these health agencies and stuff, but ah somehow the fabric that the clothes are made out of is treated with permethrin and it's there for the life of the clothing.
00:30:17.85
Keith
so doesn't wash out.
00:30:18.11
Rhonda
and you can know And you can also send your own clothes in and have them permethrin treated for a certain, you know, number of dollars per piece.
00:30:28.08
Keith
Buddy, didn't you say that you guys were using that in the military?
00:30:28.20
Buddy
Now, yeah, we, we had, uh, most of our clothing was treated for permethrin, but, uh, the way I remember it, it was only good for so many washings.
00:30:39.19
Buddy
And, uh, I mean, we should take our clothes before we knew we were going to the field. We would take, uh, our uniforms one set and it cause that's what we just, we just wore one set out in the field.
00:30:51.15
Buddy
So you didn't run the rest of them. And, uh, spray it with deep and seemed to work real well, you know, and they say, well, don't spray deep on your, on your skin, but you know, you're out there and it's hot and you're sweating. You got that deep, you know, close rubbing on your skin from the clothing.
00:31:07.76
Buddy
It's going to get on you. So I don't know.
00:31:09.43
Rhonda
Well, I know.
00:31:10.04
Buddy
I mean,
00:31:11.05
Rhonda
I've eaten enough deep to probably kill all the Dixonary herd. Yeah.
00:31:15.21
Buddy
are you going in the dark?
00:31:16.69
Rhonda
yeah
00:31:19.00
Buddy
Yeah. So I, you know, yeah ah you do you want to die from cancer or you want to die from Lyme disease or something?
00:31:24.82
Keith
Yeah,
00:31:25.56
Buddy
you know I don't know. pick Pick your poison, I guess.
00:31:30.61
Keith
yeah I spray the tick to spray all over me.
00:31:30.87
Buddy
you
00:31:32.89
Keith
I spray it on my skin. I drench it down. just don't want to get and still want stuff crawling on me. I don't like spiders, and I think ticks look just like them. I don't want them.
00:31:42.39
Buddy
Yeah, I was it i was at tractor supply last night and this is a time of year where every time I go in tractor supply, which is like once or twice a week, I'll grab a two pack of off or some kind of bug spray.
00:31:53.76
Keith
Yeah.
00:31:53.99
Buddy
And cause I mean, we go through that like, like crazy and yeah, for the the good stuff does.
00:31:57.66
Keith
and Almost all of that has deets, doesn't it?
00:32:01.75
Buddy
Yeah. I mean, you can get the, you know, the, the non deep versions all natural.
00:32:02.29
Keith
Yeah, good stuff, yeah. All all natural.
00:32:08.52
Buddy
I mean, I, I don't know. I don't know how well that stuff works, but Hey, you know,
00:32:16.11
Keith
So before we talk about ah pests and maybe pest management, that buddy wants to talk about some like plants and flowers that can like do all that kind of thing. Rhonda, you should mention what um you know what you're doing as far as like our laundry and all the other things you've been doing.
00:32:32.93
Rhonda
Oh, yeah. So I've learned how to make a lot of things at home because it's such a pain in the ass to go through the store and read all the ingredients. um I've found a recipe online to make homemade laundry detergent, and it smells awesome, and it's working just fine.
00:32:48.19
Keith
ah does.
00:32:48.68
Rhonda
I think it's awesome. So easy to make, so cheap. Definitely going to keep doing that.
00:32:54.10
Keith
yeah You made like a five-gallon bucket, like a half of it.
00:32:58.64
Rhonda
Yeah, half of a five-gallon bucket um that's going to last forever forever. It only takes three tablespoons per load. And there's a recipe to make liquid also if you prefer liquid. I haven't done that yet, but I plan to.
00:33:11.28
Buddy
Are you going to throw that in show notes, the recipe?
00:33:11.75
Rhonda
i Yes, yes. And we're actually thinking about making a video of it um to post too. But yes, I'll definitely put the recipe in the show notes.
00:33:23.09
Buddy
All right.
00:33:24.24
Rhonda
Pardon me. As well as the homemade oat milk and rice milk, which I think.
00:33:30.74
Keith
Oh, it's awesome. I love it. ah think it's great.
00:33:33.26
Rhonda
Yeah, it works. You know, i can't use cream in my coffee anymore, but oat milk works.
00:33:38.59
Buddy
Oh, that, that, wow.
00:33:38.73
Keith
Yeah.
00:33:40.41
Rhonda
Yeah. And that's the other thing, because i when I heard about the beef allergy, I was like the same way. i was like, oh, who cares? I'm still going to eat beef. No.
00:33:52.05
Rhonda
I went to a restaurant with my brother and ie I ordered um quail because I can eat fowl.
00:33:55.80
Buddy
you
00:34:00.83
Rhonda
And I was so sick the next morning. I couldn't even so hardly stand up.
00:34:07.12
Keith
Yeah, you're pretty bad.
00:34:07.44
Rhonda
It was the worst, worst I think I've ever felt.
00:34:11.14
Keith
and it was probably because of cross-contamination on the grill, right?
00:34:14.11
Rhonda
Exactly. That's exactly. or the other thing is the chips may have been cooked in lard. I forgot to ask them what kind of oil they used.
00:34:21.92
Keith
It's amazing. There's so much stuff that it's just crazy.
00:34:25.04
Buddy
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned quail.
00:34:25.40
Keith
It's messed up, man.
00:34:27.25
Buddy
I started, well, last night I started deep diving. I have an opportunity to get some quail. And I thought, okay, let's, you know, I've looked into it before and I started deep diving last night.
00:34:39.23
Buddy
And people who are allergic to eggs, you know, like regular chicken eggs, quail, a lot of lot of those people can eat the quail eggs.
00:34:44.56
Rhonda
How about
00:34:49.04
Buddy
Now it takes about four to one. I think it's the actual thing is three to one for a normal size.
00:34:53.66
Keith
Oh, because you're tiny, right?
00:34:54.67
Rhonda
how about
00:34:54.84
Buddy
Yeah, they're real tiny, but um but they the quail produce more eggs in a day.
00:34:55.98
Keith
Yeah.
00:35:00.11
Buddy
So how a chicken might produce one egg a day, they're producing you know up to four or five a day, ah depending on the species of chicken or whatever, or quail. So I thought that was kind of interesting, but you know you might try.
00:35:15.23
Buddy
ah you know Maybe it was a cross-contamination there with all that, so...
00:35:19.92
Keith
Yeah. Yeah, and Rhonda ordered a a shit ton of guinea guinea hens and more um more chickens, too.
00:35:26.18
Buddy
Oh.
00:35:30.40
Keith
I have to build a whole other coop now.
00:35:32.15
Buddy
There goes all your ticks.
00:35:33.57
Keith
Yeah.
00:35:33.69
Rhonda
yeah
00:35:34.89
Keith
yeah
00:35:35.94
Rhonda
Tell them that, Keith.
00:35:35.97
Buddy
But...
00:35:38.09
Keith
Yeah, 1,000. One guinea hen can eat 1,000 ticks in one day does eat 1,000 ticks in one day.
00:35:45.39
Keith
Their, their eyes and their brains, they're designed to hunt them down, seek them out and eat them right off the grass, right off the ground, off anything. They're amazing.
00:35:54.97
Buddy
the Do you like peace and quiet? Do you like to hear the wind blowing through the trees?
00:35:58.91
Keith
No, ah we, we like the animals.
00:35:59.31
Buddy
Okay.
00:36:00.67
Keith
We have no problem. We got, we got loud chickens right now.
00:36:01.87
Buddy
Okay.
00:36:03.43
Keith
We got 21 chickens and they are allowed. We lost one. We had 22. We lost one. We don't know where it went. Just disappeared. I'm pretty sure a hawk or something, you know, got it. ah But yeah, um they're, they're allowed.
00:36:14.48
Keith
You know, so it's all right. We like the animals.
00:36:15.76
Rhonda
and We're getting eight more ah chicks to go with the guinea keats so that the guineas can get used to. They'll be raised with these little chicks and get used to the chickens because ah ah what I heard was most of the time guineas will pick on chickens.
00:36:31.56
Keith
They're bullies. Yeah, they're bullies to chickens.
00:36:32.36
Rhonda
They're bullies.
00:36:33.32
Keith
Yeah. But if you raise them with, with the alongside baby chickens, then they are less likely to be, you know, to bully them.
00:36:41.13
Rhonda
So we'll see.
00:36:41.17
Keith
So.
00:36:41.30
Buddy
Yeah, they're they're pretty good for your home security. They're pretty good ah for early warning device there.
00:36:45.22
Keith
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:36:48.62
Buddy
you got They work real well with that.
00:36:51.53
Keith
Yeah. And we'll do an episode on, on guineas once we get them and all that, uh, because it's, and it's one of them things, you know, that if you're going to do a homestead or anything like that, you, you want to have something like that. You might want to have something like that.
00:37:01.29
Buddy
So, well, your gateway drug is always chickens and then you had guineas and and quail and ducks come next and geese and.
00:37:05.44
Keith
Right. Yeah.
00:37:08.88
Keith
We ain't doing ducks. I've already you taught where you thought about it. They're smelly and you got to have the fucking pond or the water whatever. It's just nasty. I ain't doing all that.
00:37:16.67
Rhonda
All right, found out how many washings for the insect shield. It says up to 70 washings.
00:37:21.98
Buddy
Ah.
00:37:22.25
Rhonda
And insectshield.com is the name of the the place that does that.
00:37:27.01
Keith
Cool. Well, let's ah let's quickly pivot over. Are you done, Rhonda? What you want to talk about?
00:37:31.42
Rhonda
Yeah, yeah, and if you have anything on lantana, I'd be especially interested in that.
00:37:38.33
Keith
What's the, what's Lantana?
00:37:39.83
Rhonda
it's ah It's a flower that I love.
00:37:41.29
Keith
Oh, I gotcha. Uh, we're going to pivot over to buddy who I think has got a couple of little things he wants to talk about with, um, what are you going to talk about, buddy?
00:37:50.69
Buddy
let Let me say something about the tick thing before. um i I've had a dog that was diagnosed with ah hip dysplasia and you know how older dogs, will you know you know they're real fast to diagnose with hip dysplasia and nothing was really lining up with that that diagnosis. So I started you know being skeptical and diving into it a little bit. and I honestly think that my dog got Lyme disease because a lot of the symptoms will line up with the Lyme disease diagnosis more than it does the regular hip dysplasia because where the dog was on a farm in East Texas and, and lot of ticks and a lot of of the things out there.
00:38:35.91
Buddy
So that's something that to look at when, you know, if you're, you start having a dog that, you know, maybe is limping around a little bit, you know, and and you pull ticks off of it. could be, could be Lyme disease.
00:38:49.57
Buddy
And it, uh, apparently they can.
00:38:49.63
Keith
i didn't know that I didn't know they can get Lyme disease.
00:38:54.98
Buddy
so some, some to look at,
00:38:55.17
Rhonda
and Same for ehrlichiosis, which can cause organ failure if you don't get treated for it, and that's that's carried by, or dogs can catch that.
00:39:05.42
Keith
Oh. Okay.
00:39:07.57
Buddy
which, uh,
00:39:07.84
Keith
So tick medicine is good. You got to get their medicine. Yeah.
00:39:10.83
Rhonda
Yeah.
00:39:12.50
Buddy
Yeah. So, you know, treating it this time of year, you treat your dog. So everybody remember that, you know, you start changing the time you start changing, which sparks you to change your nine volt batteries.
00:39:18.74
Keith
yeah
00:39:25.15
Buddy
If you're still using them on your, your fire alarms or your CO2 detectors and stuff, then,
00:39:28.49
Keith
Yep. Well, our pets can't tell us when they're sick, when they're, you know they can only show signs of it. And, uh, we bought a whole bottle of, you know, big old deal of, uh, permethrin. We're going to be doing, uh, our, uh, bath for our chickens, uh, this weekend.
00:39:42.29
Buddy
Oh.
00:39:42.30
Keith
So they're, each one of them is going to get a bath in, uh, permethrin, uh, laced water. And, uh, that you do that every six months and it helps with, um, mites and fleas and different things that, uh, the lice that, that, uh, chickens get.
00:39:53.90
Rhonda
lies.
00:39:56.92
Keith
So. We got a couple of chickens that don't look. They got their feathers picked off of them and we're pretty sure they've got some mites or whatever crawling on them.
00:40:07.48
Buddy
Yeah, that's, it's a whole thing, man.
00:40:07.57
Keith
So.
00:40:10.38
Keith
It is.
00:40:10.52
Buddy
Uh,
00:40:10.91
Keith
Yeah. <unk> If you're going to have farm animals, you know, you got to have, you got to be able to take care of them.
00:40:13.03
Buddy
people treat their they People treat their chickens better than they do their kids.
00:40:19.96
Rhonda
yeah
00:40:22.05
Buddy
Dogs and chickens. So that's a great segue for what I'm going to talk about here. um What I want to talk about is is basically your...
00:40:35.24
Buddy
is you it the seasons are changing now and you're, you're out there, you're starting to get outside more. Um, you're starting to enjoy the nice weather. And, uh, along with the, the nicer weather comes the critters. We don't like as much as what, you know, they make our life hell.
00:40:52.27
Buddy
And I think this whole episode is about how, um, how our lives can change by just those insects around us. So these are some plants. i'm going to talk about some plants that will help, um, maybe help us with, um, having to, you're not going to eradicate your, your, insects that, you know, come in and that are around you, but maybe it'll help, uh, keep them away, kind of repel them a little bit. So,
00:41:22.96
Buddy
um, there's all, all kinds of techniques and, you know, everybody uses Centronella candles for the mosquitoes and stuff, but I'm just going to talk about a few, uh, plants that you might think about planning, uh, around your, you know, or maybe around your porch or around your garden, around the places that you're going to spend time that might help with, uh, just repelling these, you know, mainly, mainly it's the mosquitoes, but it helps with the other critters to the bugs.
00:41:51.11
Buddy
So, um,
00:41:52.07
Keith
Yeah, that's good. we need We need that information around here.
00:41:53.37
Rhonda
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:41:55.36
Buddy
So in thinking about, insects and pest is what a lot of people call them. You know, they call it pest management for a reason.
00:42:06.87
Buddy
Um, you can't, there's not no such thing as really a pest eradication. Um, unless you just can't do it. You can't swing your, your bat. You can't get a big enough bat to to kill them all. So you basically want to manage them is what you want to do. So, uh,
00:42:22.88
Buddy
with a lot there's the like I said, there's a lot of plants out there that can help you do this in your garden. So one of the things that I love in my garden and I'll put it in borders, I'll put it all around different plants as marigolds.
00:42:36.05
Buddy
You know, they look good. You can smell them. Um, and they help mitigate a lot of the different, uh, you know, harmful insects that would get to to your plants and and chew on them. And also it helps keep you know mosquitoes away.
00:42:53.04
Buddy
Most of the stuff I'm going to talk about is going to help with the mosquitoes.
00:42:55.43
Rhonda
Mm-hmm.
00:42:55.64
Buddy
So, and kind of peeling back the onion on on what kind of plants will help with the mosquitoes. um Anything that has oils in it. So, you know, you've heard of essential oils that people use.
00:43:10.95
Buddy
A lot of those plants that have the the oils in it that they take the essential oils from, yourre your plants that are aromatic, your plants that are heavy in oils are are going to do this for you. So they it's just a companion plant you can plant around.
00:43:29.28
Buddy
you know, keep them on your porch maybe. So when you sit there at night and do what you do, put them in your, your garden and it's just going to help with these critters. So um time is one of them.
00:43:43.33
Buddy
It's just one of those things where any, any of your herbs that you would normally plant for, you know, cooking or or, eating with, or adding to your, your stuff, your food,
00:43:56.44
Buddy
that that puts off ah an aromatic scent will help repel the the bugs. We like the smell of them. You might not like marigolds so much, I don't, but lavenders is one that comes to mind where,
00:44:06.51
Rhonda
Mm-hmm.
00:44:07.50
Buddy
You love the smell of lavender. Well, the insects hate it So a good place to put lavender is is places like the, you know, entryways of your house underneath ah windows that might, you know, be open. you You might have a screen on your window, but it seems like the mosquitoes somehow find their way inside your house and three o'clock in the morning buzzing around your head. So look for, you know, those aromatic, you know, lavender is one of the great ones you can put in an entryway.
00:44:33.52
Buddy
Lemongrass is another great one that, that puts off a nice scent, especially when it starts blowing in the breeze and man, they, most of your, mosquitoes and and a lot of your different insects absolutely hate it.
00:44:47.93
Buddy
Uh, so it's a good, it's a good technique to use. Uh, lemon time is another, product that are a plant that's out there that is aromatic and, and, uh,
00:45:02.49
Buddy
highly used.
00:45:02.64
Keith
there are I've never heard of that one.
00:45:04.49
Rhonda
Me either.
00:45:05.56
Buddy
Well, it's, it's, it's one of the things they use indeed in DEET, uh, in your Centronella candles. So, uh, they crush it up, you know, put it in boiling water with, uh, different things and they take the oils and it's, it's very heavy on the oil side.
00:45:18.94
Buddy
Um, so if you, if you,
00:45:21.47
Keith
I love lemongrass. Is lemongrass easy to grow?
00:45:25.71
Buddy
It's fairly easy to grow. It doesn't like a lot of water and that's where you get, you know, your mosquitoes come from stagnant water. And that's another technique to keep the mosquitoes away is, you know, you got places that hold water.
00:45:39.70
Buddy
You want to, you know, try to keep that place from holding water. You know you overwater in your, in your garden, you get busy and you walk out and, you know, three hours later you go back and there's water standing there and it's going to stand all night. Well,
00:45:54.88
Buddy
Those ah type of places will bring on the mosquitoes.
00:45:55.65
Rhonda
Thank you.
00:45:57.74
Buddy
So if if you do have a place that holds water, you want to use some of these plants to help eradicate, you know, keep the mosquitoes away from that water, which in the water, they're going to lay their eggs, they're going reproduce, and they're going to do all the things that mosquitoes do.
00:46:13.42
Buddy
So, you know, it's it's good. It's a good technique to use to keep, you know, keep the water away from, you know,
00:46:25.19
Buddy
you're you're setting a stage for them to succeed in life. You know, you're setting them up for success with the water stuff. So, all right. Uh, mint, which is something you really don't want in your garden because it's so invasive that, uh, it'll take over, but you put them in a, in a, in a pot throughout your garden is another technique to use a mint.
00:46:38.04
Rhonda
really
00:46:44.98
Buddy
Um, Yeah, I wish somebody somebody would told me that a long time ago because, man, I was throwing mint everywhere. i love the smell of it. You know I'll make my own mint tea with it. I'll throw mint in different, you know, teas or drinks or whatever.
00:47:00.60
Buddy
But man, when it's all over the garden, it'll take over. So watch watch your mint. But it's ah it's another good oily type plant that's going to help eradicate some of the mosquitoes and some of the other pests that will get in there in your garden.
00:47:15.60
Buddy
ah Rosemary is another good one. Everybody likes the smell of rosemary. Nice little purple flowers on it. Usually heavy in the oils.
00:47:24.67
Keith
I love rosemary.
00:47:26.06
Rhonda
Me too.
00:47:26.05
Keith
I put the rose rosemary in our our bread when I'm making homemade bread.
00:47:26.13
Buddy
Yeah.
00:47:30.16
Keith
It just pops the flavor. It's really good.
00:47:32.73
Buddy
Yeah. Love rosemary. For some reason I always overwater it and then it dries out. So I, I don't know. It's, it's something I, it's like cactus for me. I can't grow cactus for whatever reason, but.
00:47:45.46
Buddy
It is what it is. So catnip is another oily plant that is great. And it not only keeps away mosquitoes, but flies, deer, ticks, and cockroaches.
00:47:57.38
Buddy
So it's another thing.
00:47:57.61
Rhonda
Really?
00:47:59.43
Buddy
If you look at the ingredients for DEET, you might find some of these things in there, especially if they advertise it as like an organic DEET product or DEET alternative.
00:48:13.42
Buddy
So catnip is is a good and cats will love it too uh also something called aliens which is basically your garlic plants um they're nice and beautiful it looks like a lollipop on top it's ah like a purple ball or ah pink ball or white ball or whatever but it's uh there's there's garlic uh what am I going to say?
00:48:38.85
Buddy
Garlic plants out there that ah have DEET, or excuse me, going to have to cut that part out.
00:48:48.40
Buddy
All right.
00:48:49.24
Rhonda
but Can you spell that garlic thing for me? Okay.
00:48:52.15
Buddy
ah A, capital L-L-I-U-M-S, Alliums. I might be saying it wrong.
00:48:59.01
Rhonda
Oh, okay. I think I've seen that.
00:49:00.47
Buddy
Alliums, maybe. It's it's in the garlic family.
00:49:01.75
Rhonda
Yeah.
00:49:02.72
Buddy
um Now, I have them, throughout my garden, I've got, I was given a garlic chive plant is what it was given to me as. So just like like, it looks like an ornamental grass.
00:49:15.00
Rhonda
My God, they're beautiful.
00:49:15.35
Buddy
And then towards the end of the season, ah they produce ah the flower and it grows up on a stem and it'll get, you know, three, four feet tall and it'll have the flower on them.
00:49:28.22
Buddy
And then it'll go to seed and and that's a good time to cut, you know, cut it off and save them. I've gone, I've cut these and gone out into the just wilderness, ah stick them in Ziploc, go in the wilderness and just throw them out there and they're starting to grow wild now.
00:49:41.30
Buddy
So that's kind of cool.
00:49:42.28
Rhonda
nurse.
00:49:43.41
Buddy
Kind of cool. So it's another good one to use. Yeah. Everybody likes chrysanthemums, and it's another one that will keep the mosquitoes away. So you can use those underneath what you know your windows, in your in your flower beds to keep, I don't know, ah I like them.
00:50:07.03
Buddy
They're nice, beautiful, and you can get them anywhere. All right, now I'll totally butcher this name. I've been using them for years. I don't how to say it. Nostritiums, not Nostrium's.
00:50:18.15
Rhonda
No sturdium.
00:50:19.20
Buddy
Yeah, Nostradamus. Okay, great. They're awesome to put in with your, in your garden, just periodically sticking them out there with your marigolds because they keep away some bad pests from your garden.
00:50:31.93
Buddy
Also, mosquitoes hate them. Your white flies, your squash bugs, aphids, um cabbage loopers, beetles, all kinds of things. Just, they cannot stand them. So, they're,
00:50:42.47
Rhonda
Is that the one that um the little tiny moths hate?
00:50:48.19
Buddy
I think yes. I, I, I, yeah.
00:50:50.48
Rhonda
There's some kind of little moths that were flying around our garden last year, and and I think that's why I bought these nasturtiums that we have.
00:50:55.82
Buddy
Um, I can't remember the name of that moth, but, uh, it looks like it would be harmless and it just wreaks havoc on everything.
00:51:04.18
Rhonda
Yes.
00:51:04.50
Buddy
I'll, I'll think of it here a second. So, um, there's another one called a flaw, a floss flower. I have never seen these, never used them. Um,
00:51:17.20
Buddy
they're in growing zones two through 11. So I should have seen them. It's more of an ornamental, um, plant that, um, it just has a chemical in them that, that where repels, uh, mosquitoes and they absolutely hate it. And you can get them in pink and blue and white and, uh,
00:51:38.18
Buddy
they bloom in the late summer to fall in most of the, uh, growing zones. So it's nice. It's a nice looking flower. going to look into them. Um, what's another one? Good one.
00:51:49.61
Buddy
already said the catnip, uh, bee balm. yeah Everybody, uh, everybody's heard of bee balm before. It's another one that, that brings in the good insects to combat the, the bad insects. So,
00:52:04.41
Buddy
And there again, you know, they help you with the pest management by, you know, by proxy. They bring in your nice...
00:52:12.29
Rhonda
Mm-hmm.
00:52:14.04
Buddy
ah It's also a good one for for cross-pollination for your fouryear plants.
00:52:24.21
Buddy
You know, a lot of people stick wildflowers out in their garden to help with the bees to come in and pollinate a lot of the...
00:52:33.14
Buddy
different plants that need pollination so it's a good one all right basil who would have known basil was a good one uh insects hate basil so put those and also other plant other the ah the other pests hate these so you can put them in a good place to put basil is it along with your uh your tomato plants And i've I've been doing this for years with the marigolds.
00:52:59.33
Buddy
So I'll put a basil plant and a marigold in there. And for some reason, my tomatoes taste a little, I don't know, it's like you can take a ah ah slicer, like a big boy or a beefsteak or something.
00:53:13.29
Buddy
And they still, they have a citrusy flavor to it. Maybe, maybe it's the marigolds. don't know. uh and i'll end with sage um you know it's it's not only something you sage your house with all the evil spirits that come through you can use a sage in your garden you can you can smoke your garden if you know it's not gonna last that long but it will help out if you're overran by mosquitoes you can take some sage make a smudging with it and then go out and uh
00:53:44.11
Buddy
you know take it out there with you and wave it around a little bit it'll it'll keep the mosquitoes off so also the sage plant is good to plant in your ornamental gardens and doesn't look bad it gives you some depth and some different colors and also helps with your pest management
00:54:04.70
Buddy
all right
00:54:05.80
Rhonda
Those are some good ones.
00:54:05.82
Keith
Sorry, I was up. So is that that's your plants? That's all of them?
00:54:10.47
Buddy
That's the biggest ones ah that I use and I've used in the past. I mean, there's there's more out there. um These are the big ones, though. There's a few in there I haven't used, but I thought I'd honorable mention them.
00:54:23.86
Buddy
so
00:54:24.27
Keith
Yeah.
00:54:24.62
Rhonda
We have some of these um already, but now I have some more to go get. yeah
00:54:31.60
Buddy
Yeah, they're...
00:54:31.67
Keith
And where where are we getting those from?
00:54:33.92
Rhonda
and To get in place.
00:54:35.90
Keith
We're getting place.
00:54:36.01
Buddy
to get in place.
00:54:36.47
Keith
All right.
00:54:37.00
Buddy
Well, you know, a lot of them you can plant from seed. Some of them you can plant from seed early in the season and and then transplant them.
00:54:42.88
Rhonda
Mm-hmm.
00:54:44.22
Buddy
But ah most of them just like the seed, you know, just throw the seed down there. And it's good to mix in with your wildflowers and just to throw them out, you know, throw them out there throughout your garden.
00:54:57.87
Buddy
So it gives it a nice look too.
00:54:58.71
Keith
Yeah.
00:55:00.17
Buddy
I mean, you know, most of them seem to have bright colors. So it'll give your, your garden some, I don't know, different colors and different looks and stuff.
00:55:12.11
Rhonda
Make it pretty.
00:55:13.18
Keith
I saw that picture you sent, Rhonda. What what was that? was Which one was it?
00:55:17.18
Rhonda
That was the Alliums.
00:55:19.90
Keith
Oh, wow. that's That is some flower right there.
00:55:21.30
Rhonda
The garlic. Isn't it pretty?
00:55:24.39
Buddy
And they really are.
00:55:24.53
Keith
Yeah.
00:55:25.07
Buddy
We, I actually have some by a pool and it's, it's an ornamental grass, you know, it's, it, about August, it it really does its thing.
00:55:35.90
Buddy
And everybody always comments on, it's like, wow, you know, that's, that's beautiful. What is it And it's like, it's garlic chives. and they're like, what?
00:55:42.76
Rhonda
ah
00:55:42.90
Buddy
I go, go up there and eat some. And so people are like, oh my God, it does taste like garlic. said, it's garlic chives. i mean, that's all it is. It's just, it's grass that, you know, you can make a ah tea out of it or you can make, throw that, you know, pieces in with your soup or whatever.
00:55:58.32
Buddy
So yeah,
00:55:58.52
Keith
So would you say that marigolds are probably the the number one thing that people can get and just put on their patio, porch, front porch, whatever?
00:56:06.13
Buddy
Man, it's the easiest one. You're cheap.
00:56:07.85
Keith
And they're cheap too.
00:56:09.31
Buddy
You can get them all over the place. I prefer the, the, the giant, what do they call them? I don't know. I call a giant head marigold. You got the smaller marigolds, but you got the ones with the bigger heads on them.
00:56:20.08
Keith
Right.
00:56:22.08
Buddy
And like the cool thing about marigolds is at the end of the season, when you get your first frost, they die off and you can deadhead them. Basically take the the flowering part off, lay them out and dry them.
00:56:33.47
Buddy
Just put them in the garage on a, you know, piece of paper or whatever it is let them dry out for a couple months and then next season just go out there and sprinkle them in your garden and they'll they'll start doing their thing it's it's they're very hardy they're very you know they they smell good they look good um yeah yep and i found out the my mice and pack rats and stuff hate the smell of it so
00:56:38.21
Keith
Really?
00:56:52.15
Keith
The actual flower itself, just it just dries out. So the seed and seeds are in there?
00:57:00.74
Buddy
as long as they're there, you know, that time of season, you could stick them in a barn or something, even keep some matters feed and stuff.
00:57:05.35
Keith
Right. I saw them at Walmart. They were unbelievably cheap. i just saw them this weekend and they're like, had these buckets of them and they were just so cheap. So i was like, man, you can just get tons of these things.
00:57:16.16
Buddy
So, yeah, and I would play with them, uh, over the winter time about, you know, starting out about January, February, I would just take some of my old seed, take a flat from, uh, uh,
00:57:28.94
Buddy
that I didn't have, didn't use or whatever. And I'll, I'll put some seed in there and then I'll grow them for myself. And then, you know, like I said, every, every plant gets a a marigold by it. So it seems to work out pretty good.
00:57:39.65
Keith
Nice.
00:57:41.29
Buddy
The only thing that, you know, your squash bugs, you know, that's a whole nother episode. And I got some techniques for that, but yeah.
00:57:50.93
Keith
All right. ah Rhonda, was there anything else you wanted to talk about?
00:57:52.07
Rhonda
um Yeah, i wanted to just mention, if it's okay, I grew up with my grandmother growing lantana. Have you heard of that?
00:58:02.76
Buddy
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:58:03.67
Rhonda
Yeah, that's, a it's
00:58:05.38
Keith
I've never heard of it.
00:58:07.35
Rhonda
it's really pretty, but it repels mosquitoes too.
00:58:10.65
Buddy
Yep.
00:58:10.88
Rhonda
I think it might be kind of citrusy.
00:58:14.25
Buddy
Um, I was trying to think, man, I was, I was actually down last weekend and in Canton, Canton, Texas, and they had a lot of Lantana down there. Matter of fact that we might've picked some up
00:58:25.43
Keith
So good for mosquitoes.
00:58:27.37
Buddy
Yeah.
00:58:27.75
Rhonda
Yeah.
00:58:28.72
Keith
Nice.
00:58:29.00
Buddy
And, and looking at this a couple of years ago, we we sit around the pool in the summertime and, and ah you know, do what we do with grownups do.
00:58:40.63
Buddy
And seems like, you know, the last couple of years we've had a lot of these different things to our, you know, potted plants around this area, the porch area, or, or the, we've got a little arbor thing that, you know, we'll, we'll sit under and and stuff. and And it seems like planting a lot of the stuff is cut down on our use for, you know, spraying herself with off, which, you know, I, I'm just, I hate the feeling of that. It gets greasy and you smell bad and stuff. So it's helped out a lot with that.
00:59:12.34
Buddy
You know, it seems like we've been using less of it. So maybe it's working.
00:59:15.67
Keith
Yeah. Yeah. Good.
00:59:19.93
Rhonda
And I wanted to ask a question about a specific pest that you may have had experience with, if that's right.
00:59:25.85
Buddy
Okay, yeah.
00:59:26.39
Rhonda
um You know those Asian beetles that are red and black and they like kind of look like a ladybug?
00:59:32.32
Buddy
though They got the pincers out in front of them.
00:59:36.16
Rhonda
Uh...
00:59:37.01
Buddy
Oh, you're talking about, it's like a potato bug looking thing.
00:59:38.50
Rhonda
Those little tiny ones.
00:59:43.04
Buddy
are they What color are they?
00:59:44.39
Rhonda
No, they look, to me, they look just like a ladybug, except they're shaped different. So they're red and they have black spots on their back.
00:59:52.13
Buddy
Okay, so yeah, they're the false ladybug ones.
00:59:54.50
Rhonda
Yes, that's it.
00:59:55.10
Buddy
They're the bad ones. yeah Okay, so yeah, they look like ah they look like a ladybug, except for...
01:00:00.36
Rhonda
Have you had those in your garden?
01:00:01.98
Buddy
Oh yeah, yeah. um I've actually bought ladybugs to put in my my garden before, and this is what they sent. They sent those.
01:00:11.49
Rhonda
Oh my God.
01:00:11.65
Buddy
I was so pissed off.
01:00:12.22
Keith
What?
01:00:13.50
Buddy
Yeah. they're they're Okay, so most ladybugs are maybe an orange color.
01:00:18.95
Rhonda
Yeah, they're...
01:00:19.06
Buddy
These are red. at least the ones around where I'm at. So um yeah, they, they are not good. I'm trying, and I'm pulling up now.
01:00:32.00
Buddy
It's an invasive species. They're wood boring, but man, they will get in.
01:00:37.51
Rhonda
They were all over our plants.
01:00:39.20
Buddy
Did, were they really, did you them a lot around potato plants?
01:00:44.59
Rhonda
ah It was around the squash.
01:00:49.11
Rhonda
And I think they were on the tomatoes too, actually.
01:00:49.12
Buddy
Okay. Okay.
01:00:51.63
Buddy
Yeah, they they can be, it says here, yellow, orange, or red color. um They, ah think they bore is what they they do for the most part. I can dive into them a little further, but ah yeah, I've seen them all over.
01:01:08.34
Buddy
um And when you put them next to a ladybug, you can tell the difference, but you don't know if they're on their own. So it's kind of hard to, to, uh,
01:01:20.51
Buddy
actually identify them
01:01:20.71
Keith
what What I'm seeing here is one's called the ladybug and one's called the lady beetle. The lady beetle is the bad one.
01:01:26.79
Rhonda
Oh.
01:01:26.88
Buddy
yeah yeah it's a it's an asian beetle it's got different terms uh i think the the what i'm trying to remember something right now um
01:01:28.10
Keith
Asian lady beetle. beagle beetle
01:01:41.09
Keith
But you you have to be able to identify them because they're bad for your garden, man.
01:01:46.13
Buddy
So pro tip on identifying your plants, there's a thousand different apps out there that you can use on your phone. um And some them identify them correctly, some don't. So you got kind of watch and, you know, like you're going to buy anything else. You go on the Amazon, you look at it and you're like, OK, you read the reviews on it.
01:02:07.20
Buddy
you want to zoom in as much as you can to take the picture. All right. And then upload it to the the site. But if you want to do something better, you're you, every County in United States has an extension office that's assigned to that County.
01:02:25.43
Buddy
And like in my area, Oklahoma state university is the, uh, the ad college that, is assigned to us. So you can take a picture that you can go on the, uh, like I would go on Oklahoma state, uh, County extension office and they have an email address and you can email them with that picture and they can identify it.
01:02:49.40
Buddy
And, uh, you, these are master gardeners that work this or extension agents. and they're trained in this and they can give you all kinds of fact sheets on it. You know, different techniques of of how to eradicate them and stuff. And you know, theyre those are subject matter experts on them. So it's just, that's just a tip you can use for these.
01:03:09.63
Buddy
I don't always like to use the plant identifier apps or the, you know, your pest management apps or whatever, because, know,
01:03:22.81
Buddy
sometimes you're not getting the right species or whatever. So, which, you know, it's going to be, you know, you get, you don't know how to to tackle the problem and until you know what the problem is. So something to think about. And it takes a little longer for the ag extension office to get back to you, but usually within a couple of days, you know,
01:03:44.34
Buddy
um
01:03:44.55
Keith
That's good to know. Yeah.
01:03:45.87
Buddy
I had these black aphids in, in a little growth tin I had, you know, and and it seemed like they were eating up all my tomato and and pepper plants.
01:03:56.68
Buddy
Well, I'm like, Hey, send it to the extension agent buddy of mine.
01:03:59.98
Rhonda
God.
01:04:00.32
Buddy
was like, Hey, what the hell is this? He goes, Oh, you got aphids, man. You got black aphids. I'm like, well, what does that mean? He goes, ah you need to throw all of those away. I go, I got over 300 pepper plants in here.
01:04:12.86
Buddy
And he goes, well,
01:04:13.61
Rhonda
and my god
01:04:14.71
Buddy
You can either throw them away or you can go buy some ladybugs and hopefully they'll eat them up before they they all die. So I was like, okay, I'll start over.
01:04:27.01
Buddy
So it's
01:04:27.97
Keith
So the ladybugs will eat the aphids?
01:04:30.35
Buddy
this specific kind will.
01:04:32.67
Keith
Huh. Cool.
01:04:35.17
Buddy
And then, you know, you can order a praying mantis.
01:04:35.42
Keith
That's awesome.
01:04:38.14
Buddy
You can order ladybugs.
01:04:39.29
Rhonda
o
01:04:39.34
Buddy
You can order. yeah I think the praying mantis is a larvae and and you can hang them up in a tree and, you know, you do some things and all of a sudden it, it'll, uh, hatch and then they'll do their thing out there.
01:04:50.42
Keith
Yeah.
01:04:52.49
Buddy
And ladybugs you get, I mean, you can buy a thousand ladybugs and then go out to your garden and throw them out there.
01:04:53.16
Rhonda
Oh.
01:04:59.14
Buddy
Um, uh, something you don't want.
01:05:01.02
Keith
As long as you get long as get the real ones.
01:05:03.23
Buddy
The real ones. And then another time I went and bought 2,500, I think, to put on the garden. Well, then my damn brother-in-law came through and and sprayed the garden.
01:05:13.29
Keith
Oh, man.
01:05:14.01
Rhonda
oh
01:05:14.32
Buddy
Killed them all. Killed them all. I was so pissed off. But, I mean, I was telling him not to spray around the garden. It's too windy and stuff. And he he kept away for the most part. But the wind, get they got wind drift to come in.
01:05:25.77
Keith
Right.
01:05:26.85
Buddy
When you're spraying to kill weeds out in your, around your garden and stuff, you know,
01:05:31.04
Keith
not Not very organic, man. Nope.
01:05:32.80
Buddy
not organic at all. And then you're, you know, you got a nice lawn that you can put off of, but you got, you're going to eat all that, know, those chemicals and, and a lot of, i mean, it it killed, I don't even go into it.
01:05:46.33
Keith
Yeah.
01:05:46.75
Buddy
It just killed everything. I was pissed. So, yeah.
