193 Freeze Dried Emergency Food - Bug-Out Buffet or Chemical Catastrophe?

Tonight, we’re discussing long-term food storage, specifically Freeze Dried Emergency food. It’s a staple food prep for a lot of preppers and most survivalists the world over. And why not? It’s lightweight… easy to store… easy to prepare… and sometimes… it actually tastes good.

But is Freeze-Dried Emergency food really worth the hype…? Some say Yes… Some say No… Well, we hope to find out when we reconstitute that old bag of dusty salt and flakes, and turn it into a mess of cheesy, gooey, caloric rocket fuel that’ll get any of us through the worst zombie-filled nightmare scenario.

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Transcript

Keith
ah Before we get started on on tonight, ah Buddy, and I don't know, if Jeremy, if you do worms, but Buddy, I'm going to ask you straight up. ah So I went to fix my trying to work on my worms today.

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Buddy
Yeah.

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Keith
i got I have a worm farm coming in. It was supposed to be in yesterday, but or two days ago, but it's probably tomorrow. You know, it's one of those ones from like Vever. It's like 80 liter. It's pretty big. It's got like five levels on it and all that.

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Keith
I think it's going to be way bigger, ah way better than the bucket system I'm using now. Uh, and you said you didn't like bucket systems. Um, ah you, you, you do bins, right? So that's what these are. They're bins, but my bucket system, it's very wet in there.

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Keith
It's like extremely, like I, I took it out today to try and, uh, uh, sift some of it, try and get some of the castings. And it was really wet. Like nothing would barely go through the holes.

00:03:34.76
Buddy
Yeah. um Let me get my mic in here closer.

00:03:37.91
Keith
I got a lot of worms in there. Don't get me wrong, but still very wet.

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Buddy
Mine. Okay. So I, a few weeks back I went ahead and I had one bucket going just to start out with and man, they were running through food like crazy.

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Buddy
So went ahead and got another one going and another bucket.

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Keith
Bucket or bin.

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Buddy
ah Well, I call them buckets. They're square bins. They're square buckets. They're five liter. Instead of being round, they're square.

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Keith
Okay, okay, gotcha.

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Buddy
And so,

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Keith
but

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Buddy
i

00:04:10.98
Keith
Talking about the five-gallon bucket method, which I'm starting to not like.

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Buddy
yeah, you have to, man, you got to stay on it. And that's, I've learned you have to kind of keep it dry and instead of feeding like once and I'm i'm lazy and did i fed shit.

00:04:29.89
Buddy
I fed like once a week for a while and then all of a sudden.

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Keith
Well, I know so online, some people are saying like the, the, the worm whisperer, that's like a YouTube channel. He was saying that he does his feeding every 10 to 15 days. That's, it's almost two weeks.

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Buddy
Yeah, but what's he, you i mean, what is he using though?

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Keith
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, like just kick kitchen, kitchen, scrap, scraps and stuff.

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Buddy
What kind of system

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Keith
Well, he's a, um he's a a Canadian.

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Buddy
is he using?

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Keith
He does. And he actually sells the, the, you know, the product, the, not the product, but

00:05:03.84
Buddy
He might be using huge, you know, is he using buckets of bins? What is it? ah Is it like,

00:05:09.60
Keith
yeah He's got his own bins like, you know, set up on wooden deals and all that because he sells the castings.

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Buddy
is it like is this bands like a 20 feet across and you know, 10 wide or something. Are they huge?

00:05:22.07
Keith
Yeah, they're pretty big.

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Buddy
Yeah, that's so I've done through the university. I did some of those and you can, yeah, you can feed ah bunch of food,

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Buddy
And like once a week, you could just go in there and throw a shit ton of food scraps in one little area. And then the next, ah the next time you feed, you feed next to it and you just chase it all the way down.

00:05:47.27
Buddy
But if you got 20 feet of real estate there, you can do stuff like that. Now with the, with the regular bucket,

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Keith
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

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Buddy
you're, you're basically, you know, your five gallon bucket system, you're, you have to feed a little out of time and you want to keep them drier. Well, I went into mine the other day, the, the one that originally started with and it was just wet as shit and I couldn't figure it out. I mean, it's sopping wet.

00:06:12.48
Buddy
Cause I was about to, I was actually going into harvest some castings and, uh, it was just really wet and the other two weren't.

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Keith
right

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Buddy
And i just couldn't figure it out. what What's going on with it? Um, And i I still don't know. And i was feeding lettuce scraps ah about once every week. I was going in usually on Mondays because use know stuff I cooked with over the weekend.

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Keith
over the weekend. Yeah. Right.

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Buddy
And then it was right after i I fed a bunch of strawberries. So I don't know what happened. And the you could tell the worms were trying to get away from the moisture because they were climbing up the bucket.

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Keith
right

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Buddy
So I went in and grabbed what I could of you know, how many I could grab, throw them in the other buckets. And then I put more bedding in there, which is, uh, I'm using the, I guess the paper that comes around Amazon packaging.

00:07:09.44
Keith
Right. Yep.

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Buddy
And so, uh, I hadn't looked at it since Monday, but I was, I meant meaning to go in look, uh, but,

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Keith
Well, I managed to agitate mine and get, uh, get it all, get some of it through the, uh, eighth inch, uh, uh, netting. and ah fabric. And I was able to get some stuff down into another, another bucket harvesting.

00:07:32.14
Keith
And when I looked at down in there close, man, it was completely filled with cocoons. Every square inch had a cocoon.

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Buddy
Yeah, and that's that's kind of cool, but then again, it's not. So if if you're using it in your garden, you know, it's going to benefit because they're gonna they're gonna

00:07:43.91
Keith
Not good.

00:07:50.39
Buddy
um going to go ahead and and hatch, and then you're going to, you know, put worms in your garden. So, yeah.

00:07:57.43
Keith
Which is good, but if trying to sell castings, it's not good because they go right through the screen.

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Buddy
I've sold castings like that at at and a farmer's market. That's one of the things I did sell was, you know, the worm castings.

00:08:10.26
Keith
And it had can coon can cocoons in it

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Buddy
Yeah. And you could see them in there and people like, what are those? was like, those are actually worm cocoons. So they're like, oh, cool. So I said, if you're going to use them for when you transplant your your plants and they're going to, because I was selling plants as well.

00:08:26.69
Buddy
um And then the next thing, once you get that system down you start working through that, I'll walk you through how to make your own casting tea, worm tea or whatever.

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Buddy
And there's some miscon misconceptions out there.

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Keith
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Buddy
People think that the juice that falls through on their bucket system is worm castings. I argued with the guy at farmer's market the other day, just last Saturday, because he was selling it. And I'm like...

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Buddy
you is that, do you have a bubbler? And he goes, bubbler. I go, yeah, you're selling worm castings there. He goes, Oh no, that's just the juice from the worm farm. And I'm like, those aren't, I mean, uh, that's not compost tea is what he was calling it.

00:09:09.62
Buddy
I go, no, compost tea is you have to have a bubbler and it's a whole bucket system, five gallon bucket.

00:09:17.36
Keith
Oh, we need to talk about that someday.

00:09:17.69
Buddy
And you,

00:09:18.88
Keith
That sounds cool.

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Buddy
Oh, dude, it's talk about putting your garden on steroids.

00:09:23.04
Keith
I like it.

00:09:24.42
Buddy
Oh, my God.

00:09:24.78
Keith
Right.

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Buddy
Yeah, it's it's pretty cool.

00:09:27.28
Keith
Well, I've got...

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Buddy
That's a whole nother rabbit hole.

00:09:29.36
Keith
i think one of the biggest mistakes I've made, and we'll get off the subject and get on to the main one, but... the When I first started the bucket system, I was confused. I guess I was thinking not the right way.

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Keith
You're supposed to put the cardboard and the and the and the coconut core and you know that sort of stuff, the paper, shredder paper up as a bedding. Then you ah you put in like some grinds, you put in some egg ah powdered egg shells,

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Keith
ah maybe a little bit of oat and and you throw the worms in, let them do their thing. Then you could put some food on top and they live down inside the bedding. They'll eat and they'll consume the bedding and all that.

00:10:09.05
Keith
And then they'll come up and get the food and then they make their castings, you know, through that. And eventually the whole thing will be castings and they'll be coming up for food. That's how you're supposed to do it. That's the, that's the small of it. What I did was I put in the paper, but I also put in dirt,

00:10:19.35
Buddy
Yeah.

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Buddy
Which you can, you can do that as well. Um,

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Keith
But it's so wet now. It's like the dirt is holding the liquids and stuff.

00:10:32.52
Buddy
yeah. Um,

00:10:34.27
Keith
I don't want to do it this next time. I want to, I don't want to eliminate the whole dirt process and just use, you know, paper and stuff like that. Cardboard.

00:10:41.80
Buddy
most of the time when you're, when it's wet like that, you're using something you're feeding is too wet for them. Um,

00:10:48.61
Keith
I'm probably feeding them too much. You know like every couple of days I was going and throwing a piece of lettuce in there, throwing a, throwing a banana peel, that kind of thing, you know,

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Buddy
Probably.

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Buddy
Probably. um Yeah.

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Keith
And my worms are not that fat.

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Buddy
like

00:11:00.57
Keith
They're kind of thin, like like they haven't been eating. I don't know. It's weird.

00:11:04.44
Buddy
yeah yeah Okay. So you'll watch the behavior of the worm. If they start coming up on the sides of the bucket and stuff, like they're trying to escape, then that's a sign that, yeah.

00:11:15.06
Keith
That's a sign of something. too Maybe two the pH is off or wet or something.

00:11:17.80
Buddy
It's either too dry

00:11:19.79
Keith
Yeah.

00:11:20.15
Buddy
too dry or too wet down, down in the living area.

00:11:23.52
Keith
Got you.

00:11:24.78
Buddy
And that's, that's what you look for. Now, the cool thing about worm farms is I've had them like die over the winter when it's really cold and it in my garage. And ah three or four months later went out there and I'm like, oh I got to go buy more worms and look. So I was cleaning it out and I saw casting are the little worms in there and there's because of the cocoons.

00:11:45.52
Keith
Oh, yeah.

00:11:45.80
Buddy
so

00:11:46.28
Keith
So they hatched.

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Buddy
So, the worms,

00:11:48.48
Keith
The cocoons actually survived.

00:11:50.59
Buddy
when the worms start getting stressed, like they're going to die, they'll lay, war they'll lay their, uh, they'll do the best they can to continue on with the, you know, their species or whatever.

00:12:01.22
Buddy
So they're fighting for their life and they'll leave them in there.

00:12:01.72
Keith
Oh, yeah.

00:12:04.10
Buddy
And then, man, I'm not kidding you. So about two weeks roll around, i kind of forgot about it and went out to look again and to clean it out. And, uh, there was worms in there. I was like, Holy shit.

00:12:16.42
Keith
Well, I harvested about ah maybe about three quarters of a coffee can, number 10 can, let's call it that, of castings the first time around about a month ago. And I put those castings, got them all nice and dried out and they were real real fluffy.

00:12:32.90
Keith
And I got those castings and I put a small, tiny handful in each one of my pots as I was repotting from the little cells up into bigger pots and

00:12:41.17
Buddy
Yeah.

00:12:41.80
Keith
it

00:12:41.92
Buddy
Yep.

00:12:42.58
Keith
those plants did far better than when I ran out and I wasn't using the castings.

00:12:46.47
Buddy
Yeah.

00:12:48.72
Keith
I mean, way better.

00:12:50.32
Buddy
It's, it's

00:12:51.08
Keith
They're greener, they're taller, they're stiffer, they're tougher plants.

00:12:54.83
Buddy
that it's the, it's the perfect fertilizer. I mean, it's, it's nature's fertilizer.

00:13:00.17
Keith
It's good stuff, man.

00:13:01.16
Buddy
Yeah, it's real good stuff. So um yeah, we can, we can talk further on that. And I can also,

00:13:09.58
Buddy
I did a couple of videos. I didn't like, I didn't like the quality of them and stuff. I'm i'm doing off my phone.

00:13:14.87
Keith
yeah

00:13:14.94
Buddy
Um, and I just, you know, I, read to, I redid it over and over and I had a few um that were decent, but if you can edit stuff, you know, and I don't know how to get you those, uh, files anyhow, but,

00:13:27.97
Keith
ah Any kind MP4 file, wherever you can just email it to me and I can, i can put them together and, and edit it all up.

00:13:33.20
Buddy
Okay.

00:13:34.01
Keith
Yep.

00:13:34.54
Buddy
So anyways, I can start doing, I can do some, you know, I'll take one and I'll build a bed from from scratch.

00:13:36.87
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:13:42.38
Buddy
And we can do stuff like that if you want.

00:13:43.57
Keith
Cool. Yeah. Yeah.

00:13:45.41
Buddy
Or, I mean, you you know what you're doing now, so you're doing everything right. Now, another method, we can we can talk about later, but there's another method where you can use two buckets and you stack them in there on each other and you drill holes in them.

00:13:58.97
Buddy
or put a screen in it to where your worms will travel back and forth. So once it gets too wet on the bottom bucket, they travel up through the screens to this next bucket.

00:14:12.71
Buddy
And then when you, when you see that and you, you know, you ever you have to keep your eye on the other bucket. When you see all the worms coming up to the other bucket, then you take that one out and you get another bucket and put underneath.

00:14:22.90
Buddy
So yeah.

00:14:23.39
Keith
Right. It's like a rotating so ah system.

00:14:25.43
Buddy
Yeah.

00:14:25.59
Keith
That's, that's like the, the one I've got coming in, uh, this week. It's like a five tray bucket system where you keep taking the bottom one out, bringing it up, harvest, put the bottom and then you keep rotating them.

00:14:35.93
Buddy
Yeah, and it's not that sexy.

00:14:36.50
Keith
So.

00:14:37.25
Buddy
I mean, it sounds it sounds that sexy, but it's really it's really not. I mean, it's it's for beginners, the best method is that one bucket system just to let go on.

00:14:47.41
Keith
Well, I heard that the first, the first tray is going to be there for about 40 to 60 days. Anyway, we're talking almost two months out.

00:14:54.56
Buddy
ah

00:14:55.02
Keith
So castings wise, if you want to get full castings.

00:14:55.55
Buddy
Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah. And don't get me wrong, if you want to use that the drainage, that juice on the bottom, it's it's better than regular water, but it's not as good as what the bubble tea is, the actual compost tea.

00:15:09.76
Keith
Gotcha. Gotcha.

00:15:11.03
Buddy
And i can I can go out and get my, out of storage, I can get my compost tea builder make some for a little episode or whatever.

00:15:21.91
Buddy
or

00:15:24.52
Buddy
Come on, brain fire. Yeah.

00:15:25.84
Keith
You're fading out on me, man. take take Take a shot of something.

00:15:27.86
Buddy
Yeah. Yeah.

00:15:30.30
Keith
Espresso, something.

00:15:31.66
Buddy
ah Yeah.

00:15:32.26
Keith
yeah Get your mushroom juice going.

00:15:34.10
Jeremy
Ugh.

00:15:34.48
Keith
All right, so tonight we're going to be talking about freeze-dried food.

00:15:34.92
Buddy
Something.

00:15:43.49
Keith
And I don't know if we're really doing a versus canned food, but i know we're going throwing canned food in there. um and we're going to be talking about freeze-dried food as an emergency food. And the pros and cons, and we're going started on this, and it'll eventually turn into a serious type of thing, but tonight we're going to started on it.

00:16:00.35
Keith
So, who would like to go first and say what talk about their feelings about freeze-dried food, and the products, and the manufacturers, and pros and cons, things like that?

00:16:13.24
Jeremy
Hmm. I'll go e out of left field.

00:16:13.98
Keith
Here comes Jeremy.

00:16:17.48
Jeremy
um So yeah, coming in hot.

00:16:19.29
Buddy
Coming in hot.

00:16:21.94
Jeremy
So freeze dried food. And I, if nobody knows what it is exactly, it's food that was already prepared and it had all of the moisture content removed from it.

00:16:34.53
Jeremy
And by doing so, it basically froze it in place from what it was. And it requires, doesn't always, you don't technically, have to, but it typically requires ah hot water or cold water um to reconstitute it to a edible state.

00:16:52.28
Jeremy
So that's what it is. um So you can, if you had your own freeze dryer, you could, you know, eat a meal, take the leftovers and freeze dry them. And then you have they essentially what you just ate for a considerable amount of time.

00:17:09.62
Jeremy
um most freeze-dried food companies, and there's a ton out there. um There is Mountain House. There's Wild Z-Packs. There is Outdoor survivor our outdoor Reservoir.

00:17:24.60
Jeremy
sorry Yeah, ton of them.

00:17:25.59
Keith
a ton of them out there.

00:17:28.21
Jeremy
They've got some that are

00:17:28.40
Keith
but i be Before get going, let me, in case the listeners are confused, and i'm I'm assuming most aren't, there is a big difference between freeze-dried food and dehydrated food.

00:17:39.28
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:17:39.89
Keith
And freeze-dried food, there's a scientific, and what do they call it? It's um cryogenic, ah destructive something, whatever. There's like a scientific term. Freeze-dried.

00:17:52.48
Keith
Freeze-dried is like the fun name. oh But it's like ah where where dehydration uses heat to remove liquid, freeze drying uses equipment to freeze the food and then somehow remove the ice.

00:18:05.11
Keith
I don't know the process, but it's very scientific and it's very expensive and it's very different.

00:18:10.12
Jeremy
Yep.

00:18:10.69
Keith
Two different things we're talking about here.

00:18:11.25
Jeremy
Yep. Yep. it what it does is is is the fan in the back of the of the mechanism, as it's pushing cold air into ah the food,

00:18:22.98
Jeremy
that ah that fan is drawing moisture away from the food. So, um as it's you know basically pulling the latent moisture away from the food, that temperature is coming in And it as the moisture is removed and it's coming out of that fan, the freeze drying process sets into the food. It does take quite a while.

00:18:47.81
Jeremy
It's not like... It's not like you threw it in your freezer. it it's it's It's a very lengthy process.

00:18:51.01
Keith
Right.

00:18:54.75
Jeremy
And that does lend to why some of them are so damn expensive. They are expensive. So, um but I mean, there's there brand upon brand upon brand out there.

00:19:08.90
Jeremy
And they're all, for lack of a better term, generally the same. And the fact that it's freeze dried food. Now there are some that are higher quality and some that rate better.

00:19:21.46
Jeremy
um But you know, there's generally from what I understand about it is if you have a freeze dried meal and you keep it in a, in the proper storage, which would be away from light.

00:19:37.21
Jeremy
you know Basically, and you know nothing interfering with it in the correct packaging, it can last up to 25 years. That's what they all pretty much all of them claim. So that's that's the generality of freeze-dried food.

00:19:53.07
Jeremy
What it really comes down to is what you are willing to spend, you know? So you always hear it on the radio. um You got my Patriot supply, right? They sell um these, they're advertised as, you know, these X amount of weeks or x amount of whatever of food.

00:20:16.96
Jeremy
That's kind of a, i don't know if I would say fallacy and in advertising in most of them.

00:20:22.69
Keith
It's false advertising straight up.

00:20:24.75
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:20:25.09
Keith
i i I used to sell. I still can if I want to. i used to sell free drive food for emergency food.

00:20:29.08
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:20:29.95
Keith
And I'm telling you that it is wrong.

00:20:32.15
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:20:32.11
Keith
When they say you get 120 you're not getting meals.

00:20:35.99
Jeremy
No, no. And a lot of that comes down to portion control, but what you really, what you really got to concentrate on is not just content, but calorie intake.

00:20:38.85
Keith
exactly

00:20:46.88
Jeremy
The calorie intake or your caloric intake during a stressful situation is going to be a little different for everybody. But you when you buy a lot of these you know these meals, ah it comes with your your like the usual suspects, basically, of all freeze-dried food.

00:21:05.76
Jeremy
You may end up with, you know, yeah in these kits, but this like ah you get, you know, your freeze dried eggs, you get freeze dried sausage, poor you know, matter.

00:21:17.69
Jeremy
You get a absolute ton of macaroni and cheese, more mac and cheese than any normal adult adult would want to consume.

00:21:25.63
Keith
That's true. Hey, I like mac and cheese though. I'm a fan.

00:21:29.61
Jeremy
Don't get me wrong. i i get down with some mac, but i mean, what is macaroni and cheese?

00:21:32.99
Keith
Right.

00:21:36.09
Jeremy
It's a pasta covered in salty cheese. And it is that. That's all it is.

00:21:42.94
Buddy
yeah

00:21:43.03
Jeremy
The caloric intake that you're getting, I mean, if you don't have nothing, okay, yeah, I would go ahead and you know get that. But um you need complex carbs, and macaroni and cheese is not complex carbs.

00:21:57.09
Jeremy
It's just a bunch of carbs and salt and cheese, and that's all you're getting.

00:22:01.59
Buddy
Chili Mac's a staple in every one.

00:22:04.05
Jeremy
Oh, yeah.

00:22:04.03
Buddy
If you do your research, Chili Mac is like the staple for every company that makes them.

00:22:08.27
Keith
Chili Mac's probably my favorite one out of at of most of that.

00:22:08.34
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:22:10.87
Keith
Or if one if I'm lucky enough to see one that's got like stroganoff, I like that flavor.

00:22:15.32
Buddy
And I've done a baseline study and I use Chili Mac on the entree meal across the board with different brands.

00:22:15.45
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:22:24.04
Buddy
And yeah, cause Chili Mac, they ah everybody makes Chili Mac, you know, so pretty good baseline.

00:22:27.80
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. And and again, you know, there's nothing wrong with if if you feel secure in, going to get this kit and it says, you know, i it's providing X amount of time of food.

00:22:42.96
Jeremy
ah Go ahead and do it. But before you do that, before you go out and spend the money, on these freeze dried foods and these free dried meals, do you have other stuff in place before you, you know, go ahead and commit to that kind of, that kind of dollar?

00:23:00.51
Keith
Yeah, that's a really good, that's a good point.

00:23:02.87
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:23:02.90
Keith
That's a really good point.

00:23:04.11
Jeremy
Like, do you have enough water? Because you got to have a ton of water to cook this stuff with. Do you have your medical situation under control? ah Do you have other skills other than i got to boil this water and put it in this pouch and wait for it?

00:23:17.86
Jeremy
And, you know There are other means of eating food that you should have in place. and The freeze-dried stuff, it's wonderful. um In my personal opinion, though, it is it is should not be your go-to.

00:23:34.23
Jeremy
If you've built your whole plan around this, man, um my thing is I would not. Me personally, I would not. I would try.

00:23:44.26
Keith
new Nutritionally speaking is what you're talking about here.

00:23:46.06
Jeremy
Yes. Yes.

00:23:46.94
Keith
Yeah.

00:23:47.49
Jeremy
Yeah. Because yes, it will fill your belly. It will fill your belly and then send you to the shitter. That's exactly what it's going to do.

00:23:54.92
Buddy
Well, I mean, yeah, go ahead.

00:23:55.13
Jeremy
And I'll just ah and go ahead.

00:23:58.00
Buddy
I was going say they was all they they came up with these mills, a lot of them, you know, for the astronauts, but they became popular with the hiking ah community back, you know, 20, 25 years ago, maybe 30 years ago.

00:23:58.15
Jeremy
No,

00:24:11.93
Keith
Well, sure, and you're only hiking for like, what, three days, so it's not like you're living on the stuff.

00:24:15.62
Buddy
Yeah, and and the stuff they put in it, you know, all of them are high in sodium.

00:24:20.11
Jeremy
Tons. Mm-hmm.

00:24:20.30
Buddy
And, and so you need that when you're moving and you're active.

00:24:20.76
Keith
Oh, yeah.

00:24:25.51
Buddy
So yeah, it makes a great bug out meal. Um, uh, like, yeah like Jeremy said, it's, it's nothing you want to live on long-term, but it's a good temporary meal to get you from point A to point B or a weekend hike trip or, you know, 72 hour bug out situation.

00:24:41.76
Buddy
yeah, you can't live on it though. You're, you're going to,

00:24:43.32
Jeremy
Yeah. Now, if if you're talking now, and when you just mentioned about the hiking community, a lot of these meals actually, and you're absolutely right. They were, they became extremely popular with hikers, but especially people who were doing basically the whole length of the Appalachian trail, or they were spending, you know, ah a week or more, ah on trails and doing serious, like serious, serious hiking.

00:25:09.47
Jeremy
Um,

00:25:09.57
Keith
But yeah, these people are putting in, they're doing 6,000, 8,000 calories a maybe more.

00:25:15.40
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, but again, there are, there are other options, but if you, from, from the research that I've done, um and one of the better sites that I, I found myself on, it's called green belly.

00:25:31.77
Jeremy
Um, their highest rating, and I've found this before is outdoor herbivore. Um, and then the second highest rating is next mile meals. And then for the paleo oriented people,

00:25:45.70
Jeremy
It's called Wild Zora. And then you've got your typicals, your Mountain House, Harmony House, Wise Food. And, you know, every single one of them, they all have their pros and cons, every single one of them.

00:26:01.11
Jeremy
And it doesn't matter, you know, who you're buying from. um but

00:26:05.95
Keith
Let's talk pros and cons.

00:26:07.79
Jeremy
So most of your pros, they're super lightweight. So you're not having to deal with the weight of the the food because there's no moisture inside of that food. So that's the one of the biggest pros.

00:26:18.30
Keith
Well, it's interesting you go there being that you're, that you've done this sort of thing and you've, you've had to go out on mission with, with some foods like this. It's funny that you go to wait, whereas most people would start with 25 year shelf life.

00:26:31.19
Jeremy
Yeah. Now it depends on what you're needing it for. um you know if If you did have it in in a go bag or you know your bug out bag or your emergency kit that, like say you grab a bin and you know throw it in your truck and you guys are you know getting out of Dodge, they're great because you can put quite a few of them into that pack or that kit and you're not having to suffer the weight.

00:26:56.44
Jeremy
But then on the flip side of that, like say compared to an MRE, You have to have water to reconstitute the meal to eat it. I mean, you could let it you could let it soak in your your mouth.

00:27:05.32
Keith
Right, right. so ah But MREs, are they are heavier, right? They have liquid in them, like sauces.

00:27:10.71
Jeremy
Oh yeah, much heavier, much heavier.

00:27:11.98
Keith
and Yeah.

00:27:12.90
Jeremy
Yeah, and they are just as awful for you. MREs, I'll just tell you, are not good for you. They are they're really not.

00:27:21.72
Keith
But they're so much fun to like get the little thing out and put the water in. It heats up and it like starts to bubble and cook right in front of you.

00:27:27.48
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:27:27.84
Keith
I mean, that's cool, man. I like that technology.

00:27:29.28
Jeremy
Yeah. They're fun. And then live on them for two weeks. Find out what happens to your stomach. And I'm sure Buddy can attest to this.

00:27:37.02
Buddy
Oh, yeah.

00:27:37.25
Jeremy
um i mean, a second, you'll be sitting in the field and you're like, man, I haven't taken a crap in like three or four days. What's going on? And you unleash that hell gate. You will birth a demon that will not, that will not leave you alone.

00:27:49.95
Keith
ah

00:27:53.05
Jeremy
It it is.

00:27:53.37
Keith
more butthole talk here we go more butthole talk

00:27:53.41
Buddy
Yeah.

00:27:56.07
Jeremy
i mean, it is.

00:27:56.39
Buddy
ah seen people I've seen people in three weeks of being in the field eating MREs. You're supposed to have one a day. I mean, the calories.

00:28:04.33
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:28:06.07
Buddy
but and People misunderstand that. and they They get three a day. and yeah

00:28:09.80
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:28:10.32
Buddy
i think that's a fallacy the Army has. i mean that You can eat three a day like you're supposed to eat three meals a day. and you

00:28:16.98
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:28:17.23
Buddy
you In a three-week field problem, you'll watch people blow up. i mean They'll gain 20, 30 pounds out there.

00:28:20.71
Jeremy
Oh, man.

00:28:23.39
Buddy
just that You can tell who's you know, the, the, well, I say infantry, infantry soldiers, uh, compared to the pokes.

00:28:27.04
Keith
Is that right? Really?

00:28:28.58
Jeremy
It is...

00:28:32.59
Buddy
Uh, and I, I don't want to, I don't want, I'll apologize for saying that, but yeah the people who are active, but I shouldn't say infantry soldiers, the ones who are more active, you can tell because they'll burn that off because that's what they're made for.

00:28:33.08
Jeremy
And then...

00:28:46.14
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:28:46.36
Buddy
And then your pokes will just eat three, four, five a day. I mean, then just blow up.

00:28:52.50
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:28:52.64
Buddy
Yeah.

00:28:53.40
Jeremy
um there' now And there's also, and I'll just take this little trip here. So there's actually more than just one type of MRE. Most of the stuff that people see in like the Army Navy surplus stores, it's the brown bag and it's got the stuff.

00:29:05.31
Jeremy
ah There is actually one, we typically call them Arctic MREs. And um if you find them, oh man, it's it's a treasure. it's ah It's an absolute amazing thing.

00:29:15.70
Keith
what are What are they called?

00:29:15.78
Jeremy
They're Arctic MREs.

00:29:16.51
Keith
Oh, okay.

00:29:18.42
Jeremy
So um they usually issue them up to units up in Alaska and stuff like that. But they're coming to white packaging and they are so much bigger and have so much more stuff than a regular MRE.

00:29:32.46
Jeremy
It is ridiculous how much stuff is packed.

00:29:34.93
Keith
I heard that some of the other countries, like Russian MREs are like way bigger in Pakistan.

00:29:38.82
Jeremy
Oh, yeah.

00:29:39.05
Keith
They make, they make like really big, giant, solid mules.

00:29:42.66
Jeremy
Yeah. In some countries, what your MRE is, when you open it up, it looks like like a meal. like it actually they don't

00:29:49.67
Keith
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:29:50.38
Jeremy
Because in in a lot of places in Europe, they don't allow the absolute trash that we allow into our food. And unfortunately, these companies that make the MRE... Um, there is a lot of preservatives. There is a ton of sodium.

00:30:04.92
Jeremy
Um, there's a lot of not great stuff in there and it's all concentrated around the caloric end day for, or intake for one person in a high stress environment.

00:30:07.33
Keith
yeah who

00:30:16.33
Jeremy
Um, being able to just pack calories. It doesn't say good calories. It's just calories. Like how,

00:30:24.10
Keith
i've seen a ah I've seen a Russian MRE that had pate in it with crackers that you can put it on.

00:30:28.76
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:30:30.01
Keith
And and they had like ah like these little bread things you can and name with with some sort of cream sauce that you put on it and eat it, like little snacks and stuff and cakes and cookies and all kinds of stuff.

00:30:41.34
Jeremy
yeah Yeah. Yeah. um And again, when when you start talking about caloric intake and um you know, that kind of thing, what you're looking for for the typical person is you want to have lots of protein, um but you want to have what's called complex carbs. Complex carbs are a slow release carbohydrate that helps fuel the body longer term.

00:31:05.28
Jeremy
And you won't get complex carbs by like eating candy. That's just straight sugar. Straight sugar will spike your insulin really, really fast. And then it'll start to decline very quickly because it also increases the amount of cortisol your body develops all of a sudden.

00:31:23.11
Jeremy
So you've got insulin inside of your body. crashing with the cortisol levels that just got ah when you start to dump. And God forbid you have a adrenaline dump at the same time, like you're coming down off of an adrenaline high.

00:31:40.78
Jeremy
It's a bad, bad mix. And I know that from from personal uh uh personal experience um but again you know they get a lot of very famous people who will you know advertise all these different kinds of things um i i hear the the my patriot supply ad on the radio here like every single day, like on the hour.

00:32:07.71
Jeremy
So a lot of people will go.

00:32:09.86
Keith
Oh, it's constant. Constantly hear it.

00:32:10.80
Jeremy
Yeah, it's it's constant. And it's not to disparage the company. It is that what you're getting, you get what you pay for, essentially. But, you know, when you're looking at it and you're thinking, man, that's great. I can see all these pictures and it looks like they've got fruits and veggies and all this other stuff. And they do.

00:32:29.32
Jeremy
They do. But the problem is how it's done. you know If you freeze dried bunch of turds, what you still have is a bunch of turds. so And then we can go into portion control.

00:32:42.53
Jeremy
So what they don't show you is these bags of food, and each one is an individual thing, right? I'm looking at this one here. It says ah broccoli bake.

00:32:54.63
Jeremy
And then they have another one over here, like grandma oatmeal. The thing is is, it is a big, big bag and you have to control the amount of portioning that, you know, you, you are going to consume.

00:33:10.12
Jeremy
So if it's just you and you open up the thing of rice, right? And it says, i'm going to be stored for 25 years. Then you open that. Now you have put a timer on everything that you opened. If you don't consume it all at once.

00:33:25.22
Jeremy
So if you were a family of like three or four, yeah, it would probably work out pretty well. Everybody's going to get something. But if it's just one or two people and you open that thing up and you're like, ah that's all I'm going to make, you have to consume that bag or it will go bad because you've introduced oxygen and you've introduced moisture back into the packaging.

00:33:46.46
Jeremy
And so then you put a timer on it, how long it's going to last. So...

00:33:50.96
Keith
Right. So we've we found in in testing hours, because we saw legacy food, which is, in my opinion, all of them, they're exactly the same. I've eaten every single brand. And I'll be honest with you I can't tell the difference between them.

00:34:02.21
Keith
One will say they're gourmet, and the other one will say they're this and that. I think they all taste exactly the same to me. But in fact, right now, I'm i'm sitting arm's length away here. I'll even hit it. That is a 72-hour bucket. And I have another one sitting right next to it. And I got ah i got a 32-inch television set sitting on top of them.

00:34:20.87
Keith
that my computer's hooked up to. That's my monitor. That's my monitor stand is two 72 hour buckets of, of a freeze dried food sitting right here in front of me. And what I can tell you is that if you open up one of them in pouches, it it'll sit, you don't get ah serving per pouch.

00:34:38.14
Keith
You get four or eight or 12 servings per pouch.

00:34:38.26
Jeremy
Yep.

00:34:42.78
Keith
So if you open up rice and beans, you're eating rice and beans for the next couple of days. If you don't, it goes bad or, The worms get it, the bugs get it, the mice get it, wherever you are.

00:34:53.28
Jeremy
yeah

00:34:54.54
Keith
You have to consume it. if you if you know you can You can seal it back up if you want to and go through all that kind of trouble. But in an emergency situation, let's say your power is out for a week, you open up a pouch, you're going to eat that until it's gone.

00:35:08.42
Keith
Because you're not going to open up another pouch and have seven different pouches opened up.

00:35:11.88
Jeremy
Right.

00:35:12.33
Keith
Doesn't make any sense.

00:35:13.54
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Now there is another alternative and and it's an i and it's not a pitch or anything like that. It's just through my research. There's the freeze dried and then there is long term pre-cooked food.

00:35:30.55
Jeremy
um

00:35:31.44
Keith
So what's what's that?

00:35:31.54
Jeremy
And so there's a company out there called Survival Frog and um their big thing is they have canned meats and it's not like It's not like spam. that's That's how I'll put it. It is actual, like they have canned ah ground beef.

00:35:49.89
Jeremy
They have canned you know chicken and ah like single servings. And then they have them in multi-pack and all these things. So when you're looking at it, it's um so the specs, I'll just read that real quick.

00:36:04.81
Jeremy
ah If they go with their single ah single serving, it is 14.5 ounce can, right? And this is the beef, for instance. It's eight servings.

00:36:16.26
Jeremy
It is a shelf life of up to 25 years. So, and then you're looking at it and you you can do a 14.5 ounce can, you can do a 28 ounce can or whatever.

00:36:28.20
Jeremy
And then you go into the actual nutritional facts, the three ingredients or two ingredients, beef and salt. So go backwards in time, say a hundred years.

00:36:39.81
Jeremy
How did we save our meat back then? We salted it, we cured it. or re-brined it, which is a solution made from salt. So that is how they're actually selling theirs.

00:36:53.53
Jeremy
um There's there probably a pretty good amount of fat in it. um And then, no, no, it is cooked meat.

00:36:59.67
Keith
So you're saying you're saying that it's not freeze dried.

00:37:03.69
Keith
So they're, they're gotcha. Okay.

00:37:05.76
Jeremy
Yep. So, um

00:37:07.71
Keith
And hope a fun fact. ah I don't know if you guys know this, but um Uncle Sam, what we which we call the United States, actually got his name from canned meat.

00:37:17.06
Jeremy
Really?

00:37:17.11
Keith
don't guys know that the war of 1812.

00:37:18.07
Jeremy
I did not know that.

00:37:19.15
Keith
Yeah, I think, I believe it was war of 1812. Um, there was a guy who sold meats to the U S army. Um, and his name was Samuel something Wilson Walton. I can't remember, uh, Sam something.

00:37:33.05
Keith
And he, he put all of his canned meats that he shipped to the U S army in his crates and he marked us on the side of them. And because it was the Samuel something meat company.

00:37:44.94
Keith
So the, the, uh, the, the fighters, they got these crates they were like, Oh, it's uncle Sam's coming again. They just sort of nicknamed it uncle Sam. And that's where they, that's where the whole thing came from.

00:37:55.48
Keith
So yeah, when you say uncle Sam meeting United States, you're actually meaning canned meat. Yeah.

00:38:00.04
Jeremy
Wow.

00:38:01.69
Buddy
that's That's very cool.

00:38:03.09
Jeremy
Well, that's, that's, I mean, not unlike spam, um, spam, spam came around around world war II.

00:38:08.05
Keith
Yeah.

00:38:11.08
Jeremy
Um, and, ah it was immensely popular because in some places more so than others. Now don't me wrong. I love spam. Um, I can eat it in small portions. It goes super duper good with eggs.

00:38:25.69
Jeremy
Um, but, um, yeah, it's, uh, it's a lot more popular.

00:38:31.14
Keith
I'm a fan of spam. I like spam.

00:38:32.24
Jeremy
yeah Um, it has gotten more expensive lately.

00:38:34.02
Keith
You know, that did you know that they, they, they eat it like by the tonnage in Hawaii.

00:38:39.11
Jeremy
Oh yeah. It's like, yeah, it's on everything.

00:38:40.02
Keith
It's like their staple food there. It's on everything.

00:38:42.95
Buddy
Yeah, they they have like a restaurant.

00:38:43.07
Jeremy
It's on, yeah. Yeah.

00:38:46.63
Buddy
I'm not going to five-star restaurants, but they have restaurants that that's what what they do. they it's Yeah, I mean, they do different meals with it, and it's it's like a destination stop for people when they travel down there.

00:38:51.79
Keith
That's their main ingredient.

00:39:00.68
Keith
Mm-hmm.

00:39:01.48
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:39:01.84
Buddy
Wow.

00:39:02.89
Jeremy
So, yeah. So that's, um, that's kind of the skinny on the, the whole freeze dried thing. It does have its place. It has its merits. Um, you just have to understand the when and the why that you would want to, that you would want to consume.

00:39:20.72
Jeremy
ah that kind of product and it how much of that that you want to ah consume. you know Because the way I see it, i do we have a lot of cans, you know regular cans of food, and it's stuff that we actually consume.

00:39:37.83
Jeremy
um The stuff that you get in these random, like I'm going to throw in, you know, grandma's oatmeal kind of pack and like one thing of chicken and then a whole bunch of like random stuff. It might be stuff that you don't even want to eat.

00:39:51.64
Jeremy
Like, I mean, how much broccoli bake you really going to want to consume, you know? um And like powdered milk. Okay, I get it. you know i understand the the concept behind the powdered milk and all that.

00:40:07.09
Jeremy
um And again, this is just an opinion thing, but unless you've got and emergency situation to feed an infant and they need milk, ah no, I'm i'm not.

00:40:20.93
Jeremy
I'm not doing that. you know I don't see the need.

00:40:23.00
Keith
I don't, I don't need, I don't need powdered milk at all.

00:40:25.71
Jeremy
No, it just seems...

00:40:26.62
Keith
I can see you adding it into something to make like a creamier sauce. And you're like, you can put it in some Robin soup to make a little bit of creamier ramen, something like that.

00:40:30.17
Jeremy
Maybe.

00:40:33.63
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:40:34.33
Keith
But other than that, you don't really, I mean, people say, well, I can't have my coffee or my tea without milk. Sure. can just try it, just try it.

00:40:39.72
Jeremy
Sure you can. Yeah.

00:40:41.05
Keith
And you'll eventually you'll like it. I mean, I drink now my half of the week. I drink my coffee without any kind of creamer and it's fine.

00:40:48.39
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I, we have a creamer that we like, and if I don't have that creamer, I just drink my coffee black that's it. So, but um you know, and then there's the the other side of, of some freeze dried meals.

00:41:01.79
Jeremy
You can buy freeze dried soup packs um and they, the you can find them on um Amazon and other locations.

00:41:09.55
Keith
Is that different from like the ramen packs?

00:41:11.88
Jeremy
Yeah. So this is, you, so instance, like you're making soup and you've got your base. This is a freeze dried bag of, you know, your herbs, your spices and your simple vegetables.

00:41:24.37
Keith
Oh, yes. Rhonda has gotten a few of those. Those are actually really good, man. I like them.

00:41:29.28
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Now for but the, on the downside of those, there's no proteins in them. Of course you have to add a protein. um There's not a yeah a lot of salt, but not a a whole lot of like your carbs that you would actually need.

00:41:38.07
Keith
lot of salt.

00:41:44.47
Jeremy
It's just your vegetables and on all of them the seasoning, you know, just kind of make a ready made soup. um And it's and they're tasty. um But if you want to have a complete meal with that, um you know, it it that's something that you would have to add to.

00:42:03.27
Keith
We use them as a base and then you put your rice and then chicken in and you got a really great meal or or beef and this and that.

00:42:08.08
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:42:09.15
Keith
And, you know, they're really tasty.

00:42:10.72
Jeremy
Right. Right.

00:42:11.96
Buddy
Yeah, just bought, I just bought tortilla soup.

00:42:12.08
Jeremy
um

00:42:14.59
Buddy
Yes. Yesterday.

00:42:14.71
Keith
Oh, I love that. i love tortilla soup.

00:42:15.63
Jeremy
Oh man. I found that at a gun show.

00:42:16.36
Buddy
Yeah.

00:42:17.90
Jeremy
ah bought like four packs of it and we were smacking on it with some chicken and some other stuff like for days.

00:42:22.24
Buddy
Yeah.

00:42:23.33
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:42:23.64
Buddy
Yeah. It's, it's popular at, uh, like Canton, uh, trade days down in, uh, East Texas and, uh, state fairs have, you know, people have companies that sell these and, you

00:42:29.73
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:42:35.10
Jeremy
Yeah. Now the, the one company that I said that, that rated the highest, which is the outdoor herbivore um they have um they actually have a vegan. If that's your, if that's your thing, which in a survival situation, I would suggest nobody is a vegan.

00:42:52.81
Jeremy
um But just for what they offer in this, this pack, ah that is a backpacking meal kit. and They've got a quinoa oatmeal, lazy lentil salad is what they call it, um basil penne, and ah ah like a cobbler for a dessert. And then they have these like, um it's like a dessert thing that they call cinnamon monkey chomps. But ah looking at it, if you've ever been to a Bucky's, it almost looks like Bucky, ah the beaver nugget things.

00:43:26.05
Jeremy
um And the presentation of their food looks actually quite appealing, like extremely appealing.

00:43:34.33
Keith
I'm checking it out online right now and I can see that it looks really great. It looks pretty darn expensive.

00:43:39.40
Jeremy
Yes.

00:43:39.78
Keith
It looks, i mean, you're not going to be buying emergency food like in buckets with this. This is like individual meals.

00:43:44.88
Jeremy
Yes. Yeah. um And then...

00:43:46.93
Keith
But man, it sure does look good though.

00:43:47.04
Jeremy
ah Right. And i mean, it's you can get this pack and, you know, it's got it on and on on Amazon. And, um you know, that's again again, something about food when you're trying to just live.

00:44:04.15
Jeremy
If you can add appeal to it, even better, because that's a psychological boost for you. You know, like if you were, if you guys were just absolutely stomach wrecked, but you had plenty of water, say you get a bunch of squirrels and you're having squirrels too, dude, you're having a great day.

00:44:20.85
Jeremy
That's psychologically like intense.

00:44:21.69
Keith
Yep. yeah

00:44:24.12
Jeremy
um But, you know, it's ah again, what what happened with the food the moment it was freeze dried is what you're getting in the moment that you heat it back up.

00:44:38.27
Jeremy
That's what that's what you're getting. And then, like for instance, there's another company, Next Mile Meals. They've got a deli roast beef, coconut chicken curry, Italian and meatball, you know, all these different meals.

00:44:51.42
Jeremy
And they they look very nice and presentable.

00:44:54.05
Keith
Well, these these are great for backpackers and stuff like that, but not really for emergency food storage because you're going to spend a fortune on this stuff that you're talking about.

00:44:58.74
Jeremy
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But then again, you have to consider what are you, what are you willing to, where's the, where's your push and pull?

00:45:10.19
Jeremy
Are you, are you willing to spend the money on if even if you can, you know, if you got that kind of scratch, dude, go, go bonkers and buy the absolute best.

00:45:10.25
Keith
Yeah.

00:45:19.79
Jeremy
But if you don't, and you're trying to figure out a way to increase your your food storage for the long term, start with the crap you're going to eat first in cans at your house and you know in your freezer, and then start to spend the money on your bulk stuff that when you need it, if you need it, then you have it.

00:45:43.34
Jeremy
Like it it really does depend on how much you're you're willing to spend. That's really what it comes down to. And what is your intent?

00:45:49.95
Keith
Agreed.

00:45:52.95
Keith
um Are you just about finished with your, your deal, buddy?

00:45:55.46
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:45:57.47
Keith
Did you have anything you wanted to add to tonight or you just want to be a lump, a lump on the stuff, a lump?

00:46:01.97
Buddy
No, just, you know, like always, Jeremy steals all the thunder, but no, no, I'm going to build on what he was, what he was talking about.

00:46:08.56
Jeremy
Oh, stop.

00:46:13.11
Buddy
You know, and something you both said, ah you know, it's a temporary fix, this freeze dried meal thing. I think people, um they, they buy into the fear porn, you know, Hey, got to buy all, you know, all this, you know, freeze dried food because it stores for 25 years.

00:46:31.05
Buddy
um and I got to have all this water for it. Um, you know, and I'm going to live off of 25 years, which is, uh, I think we need to open people's eyes up to it. It's really not a great solution. It is a solution, but it's not a great solution. And Jeremy just touched on it. The, the, the money you spend on them.

00:46:51.18
Buddy
I mean, my experience, I bought them for, I, I looked out one day and got some ready wise from, from Walmart. Um, for $4, uh, a meal.

00:47:05.10
Buddy
And so I, I went ahead and grabbed as many as I could. And then, you know, inspected it to make sure they weren't, you know, wreck packages.

00:47:12.59
Keith
ah outdated and all that.

00:47:14.31
Buddy
Yeah. And, uh, And so you're, you're going to spend anywhere from and the normal price now is about $8 for the lower end stuff up to, I've seen them up over $20 for some, some of the signature Gucci meals, you know, and,

00:47:33.15
Buddy
and what does it cost for one person to go eat lunch, uh, today, you know, average about $8. So you're spending what you would spend on a ah ah lunch out, you know, as you work, you know, maybe Wendy's or, or something like that, a fast food restaurant, uh, which I think, you know, eight to 10, $12 you're spending that on, uh, a freeze dried meal for long-term storage. You know, you're, you're kind of getting a lot out of it if you think about it.

00:48:02.30
Buddy
Um, for the money, but you know, it's that's that long-term solution, man. It's not a long-term solution. Um, if you're on the move, yes.

00:48:13.32
Buddy
Uh, a 72 hour for Patriot, uh, free, you know, meal or what like those 72 hour packs that you can buy. And I've caught a couple of sales on them. They, they like to get, get people in on those and and you can get,

00:48:29.25
Buddy
ah

00:48:32.01
Buddy
I'm not firing off. I got somebody at my door, so you you're going to take that out. My dogs are going nuts. Okay, but... um Okay, so...

00:48:39.79
Keith
and We didn't hear it.

00:48:44.11
Buddy
The 72-hour packs that a lot of people sell... Hold on. Jesus. oh

00:48:55.38
Buddy
All right, here we go again. There's a 72-hour pack out there that that sold that they'll People bring the different companies bring you in on the 72 hour pack and and you get a good smorgasbord of stuff in there. They'll give you the breakfast meal.

00:49:08.38
Buddy
they'll give you, uh, you know, a couple entrees, a couple of snacks. So it's a good, um thing to carry. I carry one in my truck. I throw one, uh, the back of my daughter's car.

00:49:21.57
Buddy
You know, I got several of them, you know, for taking from different places or in different, you know, bug out bags and stuff because, you know, Hey, 72 hours, is all right there for you. It's pre-packaged. Uh, somebody has done the math on the food and, and, uh,

00:49:38.37
Buddy
and the nutrients and stuff in there for 72 hours. So um look into 72 hour meal and the specials that most of these places run, you know, as a, just as a litmus test on if you even want to spend your money on them.

00:49:52.91
Buddy
But

00:49:56.40
Buddy
I'll next talk about, sorry, I'm sorry, man. I got, we got people, I got somebody here. i don't know what the fuck's going on. Hold on.

00:50:07.34
Keith
Who's there?

00:50:09.19
Buddy
I don't know, man. The dogs are going crazy. The bell rang.

00:50:12.97
Keith
go Go check it.

00:50:14.11
Jeremy
Time to call in mortars.

00:50:16.40
Keith
Are you alone?

00:50:16.62
Buddy
hey

00:50:16.84
Keith
Oh, you're going.

00:50:20.66
Keith
ah he go

00:50:23.45
Buddy
but My daughter's here, but I'm going to step out and look real quick, okay?

00:50:28.71
Jeremy
Well, grab your plate carrier and a couple extra mags and put on your helmet.

00:50:32.77
Buddy
um um

00:50:33.74
Jeremy
Oh,

00:50:34.35
Buddy
I got my gun in the other room, so we'll we'll see what happens. so Hold on a second.

00:50:37.44
Jeremy
my Lord. Well, while he's off doing that,

00:50:44.92
Jeremy
um going going back to some of the the the foods and all that, there there there are some alternatives. And these are some of the stuff that we actually keep in our house. Because like I have quite a few cans of Augustin Farms stuff in our house. It's mostly fruit, freeze-dried fruit, because we like freeze-dried fruit.

00:51:05.62
Jeremy
The grandkids love it. And it's super...

00:51:08.23
Keith
August farms are pretty good.

00:51:09.58
Jeremy
Yeah, I like it.

00:51:09.69
Keith
Not bad.

00:51:10.45
Jeremy
I mean, and I've not tried some of their, I've not tried some of their meats or anything like that, or their, you know, some other stuff. But, um you know, if you're doing individual cans, of course, you're you're getting hit with the costs, you know, you know, 20 something dollars a can.

00:51:26.56
Jeremy
um and it's the great big cans. I can't remember what they're called, but but then there's some alternatives to caloric intake, which comes in the form of like different shakes.

00:51:37.14
Jeremy
So, um, we, we have a bunch of that kind of stuff and it's not just your, your protein powder and, and that kind of thing. It's nutrient dense, uh, meal replacements. and My favorite, my personal favorite is cachava.

00:51:53.38
Jeremy
Um, it's an all natural, um, meal replacement. It's extra,

00:51:57.75
Keith
You're a high roller, man. That's expensive.

00:51:59.95
Jeremy
Well, it is, but the reason I like it so much is you can get, and it comes in a big bag um and you can do it with you know water or you can do it with milk. But then one of the reasons I did it is because of the calorie, the calorie density.

00:52:15.43
Jeremy
And i wanted the, the long release carbohydrates that it does offer. And it has a ton of protein per serving. So um I'll do two scoops of that.

00:52:28.33
Jeremy
um My personally, like the chocolate the best. um But then you mix that with some milk and take your, you can do it in a blender. But I've got one of those hand, you know, with the wand emulsifiers and it creates this really thick, you know, just really good, you know, shake.

00:52:37.48
Buddy
Thank you.

00:52:46.66
Keith
Like an immersion ah blender?

00:52:48.48
Jeremy
Yeah, one of those. And man, it just tastes so friggin good.

00:52:50.03
Keith
Mm-hmm.

00:52:53.24
Jeremy
And it's got a bunch of stuff like your probiotics and all that, but it's gluten free. um And we've talked a little bit about how Missy's you know stomach has changed over the years.

00:53:04.90
Jeremy
um It doesn't mess up her stomach. It's plant based. um So there are other alternatives. And if you don't want to spend that kind of money, um There are some really good ah protein shakes that a lot of people who lift, you know, that they use.

00:53:21.45
Jeremy
And you can use them to replace meals, but I wouldn't suggest doing it for and a very, very extended amount of time. I wouldn't do that. um And then, you know, you've got, we you know, we always talk about our bug out bags and our go kits and all these different things. And we talk about snack bars. um There's a whole litany of the, you know, different snack bars and things that you can throw in your bag. Some of them are crap. Some of them are really, really good.

00:53:50.03
Jeremy
um But you got to look at them and you got to look at what you're trying to achieve with those. I do know people

00:53:56.97
Keith
Definitely. that's That's the point is what you're trying to do. Because ah I personally love the old-fashioned granola bars. Just the old, you know, the oat and honey, just the green packet, crunchy. But what are you really getting out of it nutritionally?

00:54:09.91
Jeremy
right yeah and then you know you've got like certain companies like on it o-n-n-i-t um yeah they've got they've got uh calorie dense bars that are are really good um you got to

00:54:10.04
Keith
maybe a little Maybe a little energy spike for a few minutes, you know.

00:54:18.29
Keith
Yeah, I like it. I like on it.

00:54:26.94
Keith
I like their um their shake mixes.

00:54:29.14
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:54:29.40
Keith
yeah

00:54:30.32
Jeremy
Yeah, they've got some good stuff.

00:54:30.42
Keith
I like the way they taste.

00:54:32.42
Jeremy
um And then you've got, um you know, got a whole bunch of different um kinds of stuff out there. But all of those things are not...

00:54:43.98
Jeremy
really meant to become your primary food source. And um it's ah you got to you got to be careful in this kind of like imaginary thing that you think that, well, I've got all these, you know, you know, protein bars or whatever. I've got all these you know different things.

00:55:03.02
Jeremy
That stuff's only going like do so much for you. It's meant to get you from a to B. It's not meant to be your three meal a day thing. It's really not. So that's just kind of one of the things that I thought about when I was looking at all this is, you know, what are you, what do you, what are you really trying to achieve?

00:55:12.65
Keith
no

00:55:20.50
Jeremy
And what we should all be trying to achieve is if you want to be food independent, um you need to be able to stock your pantry, but you need to be able to produce, you got to be able to produce your own food. And that comes through, you know, gardening and farming and,

00:55:38.82
Jeremy
harvesting of animals. you thats That should be your primary thought on long, long term. um And then the freeze dried stuff, which is, you know, great. that That should be your shit. You know, we weren're we're out of chickens.

00:55:53.23
Jeremy
You know, I've got to get something in my belly. You know, that kind of thing.

00:55:56.93
Keith
Right.

00:55:57.66
Jeremy
So.

00:55:57.83
Buddy
ah I think that's what, you know, the point where you're, no, I didn't shoot anybody.

00:56:00.11
Keith
Oh, you're back. Did did you shoot anybody?

00:56:03.09
Jeremy
Oh, man.

00:56:03.43
Keith
ah okay. Damn.

00:56:04.33
Buddy
I'll tell you about it after the show, but, uh, yeah.

00:56:05.95
Keith
Uh-oh, somebody's ex just showed up.

00:56:10.09
Jeremy
Oh my goodness.

00:56:10.03
Buddy
Yeah. Well, not quite that bad, but, uh, but anyhow, uh, so I think that's what the main point here we're trying to get across with people.

00:56:13.36
Keith
yeah

00:56:20.98
Buddy
I think we all feel the same as, you know, this is a temporary fix. Uh, it's It's not a longevity plan, which, you know, if you, like I said earlier, you know, the fear porn, you, you know, buy into the fear porn that some of the YouTubers out there that they, you know, sell, you know, they if you look in their theirre show notes, they're also selling freeze dried food, you know, that not to say, you know, it's a bad thing, but they're fearing people into it.

00:56:50.90
Keith
Yeah, what one one comes to one comes to mind. and i won't mention anybody's I won't mention anybody's names, but um there's a prepper that's Canadian. And, boy, i'll tell you i'll tell you what, just pushes and pushes and pushes product left and right, man.

00:56:59.48
Buddy
yeah let me, hand I don't have any clue.

00:57:07.35
Keith
It's like, whoa, dude.

00:57:09.26
Jeremy
yeah and he loves to model gear

00:57:10.01
Keith
So, yeah, but I won't mention any names.

00:57:11.99
Buddy
Yeah.

00:57:13.06
Jeremy
And he loves the model gear that he got for free.

00:57:13.28
Buddy
But yeah.

00:57:16.15
Keith
ah Exactly. Exactly.

00:57:16.99
Buddy
Well, I mean, Hey, if you want to, if you want to support us or or have us test out your, your gear or give us some gear, we'll go out and give you a, we'll go and give you a ah fair shake at, you know, what it is.

00:57:22.68
Keith
Oh, please send it. Please send it.

00:57:23.81
Jeremy
Oh, yeah. yeah

00:57:27.25
Buddy
um

00:57:27.70
Jeremy
I will definitely take that on contract and test it for you.

00:57:31.66
Buddy
Heck yeah. But, uh, Jeremy, you said something about, you know, protein bars and stuff, you know, back the army days going out to the field. Um, I lived on protein bars and and shakes for the most part, you know, I had my own, you know, baggies full of shakes and stuff.

00:57:40.19
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:57:47.54
Buddy
And, and, the protein bars and I used to call it Jenny Craig, you know, three week field problem. It was like Jenny Craig for me, uh, come out all lean to me, but, um, it's a good strategy to have too.

00:57:59.46
Buddy
And, uh, we're going to do a whole segment, I guess. Uh, we talked about doing a segment on, you know, building your own, uh, MRE or, or survival food.

00:58:06.81
Keith
Oh, I can't wait till we talk about that.

00:58:07.20
Jeremy
Yes.

00:58:08.53
Keith
That's going to be great.

00:58:08.92
Buddy
Yeah.

00:58:09.13
Keith
And canned foods and and also those types of boxed foods and stuff.

00:58:12.35
Jeremy
Yes.

00:58:12.41
Keith
We're going to get to all that.

00:58:14.09
Jeremy
Yes.

00:58:14.10
Buddy
Yeah.

00:58:14.31
Keith
one One thing I will tell you from my end of ah my viewpoint was when I first started out in the prepping world and I was making a lot less money back in those days, um, But still, I love the gear. I love all the stuff. i loved the And every time I saw one of these ads for the 25-year shelf life freeze-dried food buckets, and you can buy a bucket for $115, can buckets for $300-something. You can buy two pallets, 1,000 buckets for $2,500. And just think, man,

00:58:41.33
Keith
you know a thousand two crate or two pallets a thousand buckets for you know twenty five hundred dollars and i actually think man I would love to have that as a prepper survivalist. I would love to have, be able to just one time buy that couple of pallets and I'm set.

00:58:58.33
Keith
I mean, zombie apocalypse, the end of the world, the the aliens come, whatever it is, I've got it. I'm totally set.

00:59:06.30
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:59:07.07
Keith
Well, now I have that. I have the palate and a half or even two of I've got so much freeze dried fruit as I, I bought it for my company, you know, off grid Texas so I could sell it and couldn't sell it because Amazon was always cheaper.

00:59:20.84
Keith
And now I've got it. And I only, you know, when, when when I say i used to buy it for wholesale, I didn't sell so much of it. So I didn't get a very good deal from them, but it's good stuff. But still, I was only, you know, if I, if I bought something for a hundred bucks, I could sell it for 88.

00:59:33.53
Buddy
you

00:59:36.36
Keith
So I'd make like $12 a profit, but Amazon ships for free. I don't. So I lose everything in the shipping. That's why I never really got to selling any of it. So I have all this stuff left over. So I'm set.

00:59:47.71
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:59:47.74
Keith
You know, Ron and I probably have others doing some calculating and I was thinking a year, is but it's actually probably more like eight months. We have eight months worth of solid meals that are freeze dried and I don't want to eat any of it.

01:00:03.10
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:00:04.48
Buddy
It'll take me about eight.

01:00:04.58
Keith
ah it's It's there, but I don't want to eat it.

01:00:07.24
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:00:07.24
Buddy
It'll take me eight months to walk that far. So have, you know, maybe six. So keep, keep some for me.

01:00:14.15
Jeremy
Well, you know...

01:00:14.40
Keith
You know, so for for us, it's the it's the canned foods. It's the, our pantry's got so much canned and we rotate it out. We buy the stuff that we eat regularly and we do have the freeze-dried emergency food buckets, the 72-hour kits.

01:00:22.59
Jeremy
Yep. Mm-hmm.

01:00:27.34
Keith
We have this, we have the breakfast ones, we have the this ones, we have the meat, you know, the freeze-dried meat protein. We have all that stuff. But it's just sitting back in there. And that's where I want to keep it.

01:00:37.73
Keith
I just want to keep it back there. And I want to rotate my prepper pantry out as we go from week to week, month to month. And that's how we do it.

01:00:44.40
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. The only one I would add, and I was just talking about bars and those kinds of things. And I i don't know if I've told you guys this incident while I was on contract, but it um we were doing a mission and coming off of the mission, cleared through a house and everything is secure. We're you know just kind of mopping up and all of a sudden my adrenaline had dumped.

01:01:08.28
Jeremy
But I also had not eaten that morning. I'm hypoglycemic. I have to eat. So my blood sugar tanked at the exact same time that my adrenaline crashed and I went down and i got back up.

01:01:23.04
Jeremy
I was pretty much almost vomiting everywhere. It was it was a bad scene. um So basically I was completely empty on the inside and i stuffed as many calories into my face as I could. And I learned my lesson from that.

01:01:39.57
Jeremy
And um I did learn about a company called nutrient survival and they have these food bars and therere they're, they're, The way that they are explained is basically they call them brain bars and they have a lot of omega-3 fatty acids. and But the great thing about them is they're thick, they're dense, and um combined with, you know, that I've talked about element before, LMNT.

01:02:06.81
Jeremy
um If I'm doing a lot, and especially if it's warm, I will, if I'm not going to be able to have breakfast in the morning, I will eat one of those bars in the morning. And then before i go on a mission or do whatever I'm about to do, I'll consume another one with an element drink mix.

01:02:24.71
Jeremy
And I am solid for an entire day. I am, I am that those are, they that nutrient dense, um, uh, for the bars.

01:02:30.90
Keith
Wow.

01:02:33.97
Keith
And shelf life.

01:02:36.22
Jeremy
I mean, it's, you you're not going to have them for like years and years and years. Um, but because,

01:02:40.23
Keith
Right. But you probably won't need them having that long anyway.

01:02:43.41
Jeremy
No, because I mean, and I've got them in all of my bug out bags. I've got them in my kit that I take on contract. um I've got them pretty much everywhere, but they also have ah their own brand of survival food as well.

01:02:56.75
Jeremy
um And I have tried some of their stuff. It's actually pretty, pretty damn tasty. But again, you are paying um a lot of money for freeze dried food.

01:03:08.02
Jeremy
um But they've got, you know, kind of like they do have a ah mac and cheese. Everybody has mac and cheese. um They do have a powdered milk. Um, but it's actually lactose free powdered milk.

01:03:20.72
Jeremy
So I could actually consume that if I decided to do that for whatever reason. Um, but they actually have, uh, powdered butter, uh, tomato powder, um, eggs, you know, all kinds of different stuff. And you can buy, you know, in much bigger bulk and, you know, probably save you some money, but,

01:03:39.72
Jeremy
um I do like their company um and I do like survival frog quite a bit and they have more than just food. and They have a lot of gear. um But those, those two, those two companies, if, if I was going to spend money and on bulking up in that kind of long-term survival food, those are, those are probably the two companies that I'd go with.

01:04:02.00
Jeremy
So, Oh yeah.

01:04:02.50
Keith
Well, we'll put a bunch of that stuff in the show notes and people can take a look at it and see if they like it. And if they choose to to pick it up, we we'll get a few pennies from it, which would be nice.

01:04:07.31
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:04:11.42
Jeremy
Yeah, and and they're the one, the the survival frog is the one I was telling you about that's actually canned meat.

01:04:11.64
Keith
um

01:04:17.10
Keith
Right.

01:04:17.20
Jeremy
So, right.

01:04:17.38
Keith
It's actual meat. It's not freeze-dried meat. it's I mean, not that freeze-dried meat is not actual meat, but it's freeze-dried. You have to reconstitute it. And it's not really the same once you do that.

01:04:26.90
Jeremy
No. Yeah.

01:04:27.17
Keith
I know because i we have it and we've used it. We've tested it. We're like, like what is that?

01:04:31.38
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah, you can get uh, their three protein mixed can meat pack. One case of 12 cans. It's those number 10 cans, you know, the big ones, um, $259 and cents.

01:04:41.05
Keith
Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:46.62
Jeremy
um

01:04:46.76
Keith
Well, damn, that's not bad at all, man.

01:04:49.18
Jeremy
no and then of course

01:04:49.82
Keith
I mean, that's a lot. of That's a lot of money. But if you think about it, you you spend that and you put it on in your pepper pantry and now you've got protein.

01:04:56.98
Jeremy
yeah yeah and um

01:04:58.10
Buddy
Yeah, it's not bad for proteins, for sure.

01:05:00.54
Keith
Yeah.

01:05:00.93
Jeremy
Yeah, it's got your 25-year shelf life on only two ingredients, which is their meat and sea salt. um It's canned, high in protein, you know no water.

01:05:12.13
Jeremy
You don't have to add water. to or you know You could just eat it right out of the can if you wanted to. Cold meat, you know not bad when you're stoned, I guess, but you know but you can eat it right out of the can.

01:05:16.80
Keith
Right.

01:05:24.20
Jeremy
That's one of the big differences.

01:05:24.43
Keith
I eat cold stuff all the time, man. I eat my leftover meals cold every day.

01:05:26.13
Jeremy
Oh, dude, cold fried chicken.

01:05:29.68
Keith
Oh, yeah.

01:05:30.21
Jeremy
cold fried chicken after a night of drinking in the morning. I don't know what it is.

01:05:33.88
Keith
here's Here's one that everybody busts my chops about.

01:05:35.27
Buddy
Oh, yeah.

01:05:35.92
Keith
Cold ravioli.

01:05:38.20
Jeremy
i

01:05:38.20
Keith
Chef Boyardee. I'm sorry, but it's a heartburn bomb.

01:05:39.62
Jeremy
i can't get down on that. I can't.

01:05:41.55
Buddy
ah yeah

01:05:43.03
Keith
I get it. But, man, I just do love it.

01:05:44.33
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:05:45.43
Keith
I love it.

01:05:45.54
Jeremy
Cold pizza? Cold pizza, I'm down.

01:05:47.12
Keith
Oh, of course. Yeah.

01:05:48.00
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. But um this particular case, ah you get four beef, four chicken, ground and four ground beef hamburger.

01:05:56.27
Keith
What do you work for the company?

01:05:57.48
Jeremy
No. No, um I've just, I've i've i've had experience with with their food and it's it's not bad, man.

01:05:58.51
Keith
Oh, okay.

01:06:05.17
Jeremy
it's It's really not. It's actually pretty good. Yeah.

01:06:09.68
Keith
All right. Uh, Jeremy buddy, the lump, uh, we're,

01:06:14.44
Buddy
Oh, I got more to say, but yeah.

01:06:16.17
Keith
ah Okay, no, go ahead. Go ahead. I'm um i'm listening. um you you you you dash You door dashed us before.

01:06:21.72
Buddy
Yeah, that's what it was.

01:06:21.87
Jeremy
Wasn't that a song?

01:06:22.08
Keith
you

01:06:23.50
Jeremy
Wasn't that a song, Lump? that Well, what was the name? that That's what it was called, Lump.

01:06:26.67
Buddy
That was a, yeah, man, that was a grunge in 90s.

01:06:29.12
Keith
A lump on a stump?

01:06:31.06
Buddy
It was called Lump.

01:06:31.68
Jeremy
it was a grunge song.

01:06:33.65
Buddy
Yeah.

01:06:34.49
Jeremy
Yes.

01:06:34.72
Buddy
Okay, now you got me thinking.

01:06:36.56
Jeremy
Oh Lord.

01:06:36.96
Buddy
No, hey.

01:06:37.06
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:06:37.15
Keith
I'm going to find it. I'm going to put it in this episode.

01:06:40.16
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:06:40.31
Buddy
Yeah, there you go oh When you don't hear buddy for a while, you just throw a lump in there. So, ah you know, when you're talking about that canned food and the number 10 cans, and I can't, up my brain, I cannot think of, I heard it this morning that somebody's got a sale on the 10 pound or the 10 number 10 can of freeze dried eggs for $65.

01:06:46.25
Jeremy
yeah

01:07:05.85
Buddy
And that's um apparently it's since the egg crisis happened, it's gone up. But somebody's advertising it.

01:07:11.75
Keith
is it Is it like a powdered egg?

01:07:14.37
Buddy
Powdered eggs. um

01:07:15.66
Keith
So you reconstitute with water and basically you've got scrambled eggs?

01:07:18.21
Buddy
You got scrambled eggs.

01:07:19.21
Keith
Okay, okay.

01:07:19.55
Buddy
It's a number 10 can. i I can't remember the name of the company, but I know a couple months ago it was $50. I mean, yeah I would say less than two months ago because I was actually physically looking for a couple. i was going to buy a couple 10 cans of it.

01:07:35.46
Buddy
And it was only 50 bucks. And that was what I found the sale on it. And I'm passed on it because I thought that was expensive. Well, with the egg crisis has happened. Now it's up to $65.

01:07:45.62
Buddy
So am i ah yeah.

01:07:46.72
Keith
Oh, eggs are coming back down, so you it that should come down eventually.

01:07:50.45
Buddy
And I have plenty of friends with chicken. So it's not that big a deal. But, you know, to stick that in the, you know, in your storage, you know, it's a couple cans of that, then you know, still, you know, it might be, might be wise to do, and I'll try to get it for the show notes. It's just matter of, i have to dig for it, but anyhow, um one of the things I wanted to talk about was, okay, so we're talking about freeze-dried food. Well, where do you get the freeze-dried food? And in Jeremy's, you know,

01:08:18.97
Buddy
given a lot of different brands that he's, you know, has experience with. And and Keith, you've mentioned some too. i was going to mention a few that I have experience with.

01:08:31.10
Buddy
or Mountain House is, everybody's heard of them. ah Peak. And that's my favorite brand of of of all these freeze-dried foods, Peak. Ready Wise, Four Patriots, Ready Hour.

01:08:44.57
Buddy
Legacy Backpacker Mills is a ah company that's been around for a while. Pinnacle Cabela's has their own brand.

01:08:52.97
Keith
i check I checked Pinnacle. I didn't like it.

01:08:56.09
Buddy
um

01:08:56.92
Keith
Maybe it's just one of the things I eat from them. I i haven't eaten all of it. so

01:09:00.62
Buddy
It's been a long time since I tried any and I don't use it now. So that might say something, but.

01:09:05.48
Keith
The backpacker one's pretty good.

01:09:06.92
Buddy
Yeah. Cabela's has their own brand. Uh, it's kind of, kind of pricey, but they have their own and somebody else makes it. It that said, you know, it's the one company that makes green beans that, you know, it might be Del Monte, it might be store brand, you know, it's just repack.

01:09:21.13
Jeremy
Now,

01:09:22.10
Buddy
This is a package, but, um,

01:09:24.88
Jeremy
i was going to ask, is it their brand or is it something that's repackaged for them?

01:09:28.77
Buddy
It's their brand. It's repackaged is basically what it is.

01:09:30.84
Jeremy
Hmm.

01:09:31.41
Buddy
I don't see them. Cabela's actually having a freeze-dried company, but it's just a you know like a store brand type thing. Now, Bridgeford makes an interesting line, and it's like pizza pockets or sandwich pockets.

01:09:46.97
Buddy
So it's a bread, and it has your your meat source inside, and they do an open bread pizza thing. that it you know it's gonna if you take it on your you know camping xgis excursion or whatever it might be something you can add to the mix in there so uh they do have freeze-dried it's a shelf-stable bread and then they freeze-dried the meat and then uh

01:10:03.43
Keith
And that's freeze dried?

01:10:13.25
Jeremy
Oh, okay.

01:10:13.49
Keith
Hmm.

01:10:15.74
Buddy
Anyway, I'll do some more research on it. I just saw it the first time last week, and I was like, wow, that looks pretty cool. It was in a freeze-dried section, so...

01:10:21.63
Jeremy
I was going to say, you had me at Pizza Pocket. That's...

01:10:25.97
Buddy
Yeah.

01:10:28.23
Buddy
ready

01:10:28.46
Keith
I dropped my hot pocket.

01:10:30.20
Buddy
ReadyWise ready wise has ah you know a line out there that people... think I've talked about that before. Alpine Air is a ah backpacking company.

01:10:41.87
Keith
Yeah. Hmm. Hmm.

01:10:42.89
Buddy
And then right on Trek, you know, T-R-E-K, Trek, is ah a backpacker meal.

01:10:47.48
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:10:49.08
Buddy
But, you know, like i said before, a lot of these companies came about because, you know, the backpacker community. So, and where where are you going to buy these, you know, these meals at?

01:11:00.02
Buddy
Well, Cabela's, Bass Pro, they have Academy. They all have their backpacker weekend warrior section over there where you can get the meals.

01:11:10.74
Keith
Yeah, I think backpackers have been ah consuming this type of food since like the 70s. I mean, they've been making freeze-dried food. they've They've come a long way since then, but they've been making it for a long time.

01:11:22.04
Buddy
and Jeremy mentioned, you know, how some things you eat will just, you know, brings, lifts your spirits, you know, it's, it's a total, you know, uplifting, you know, experience.

01:11:33.79
Buddy
Well, there's freeze dried and thanks to the astronauts, there's freeze dried ice cream you can buy. So, you know, and you might grab some of that because, you know, it's, I don't know.

01:11:45.35
Buddy
I know it's from the military or eating this bland ass MREs and stuff.

01:11:48.69
Jeremy
and

01:11:49.76
Buddy
And, but if,

01:11:50.25
Keith
I got a cosmopo a cosmopolitan ice cream sandwich at Cabela's in a little package because I was shopping there and ah saw it and I was hungry, so I grabbed it.

01:12:02.62
Keith
And I ate it on my way home and half of it was on my shirt. and i you know driving down the

01:12:06.63
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

01:12:06.81
Buddy
Yeah.

01:12:07.97
Keith
it just When you eat it, it boom, explodes into powder.

01:12:11.31
Buddy
Yeah.

01:12:11.81
Jeremy
yeah

01:12:12.09
Keith
It's very tasty, but it's not ice cream.

01:12:15.08
Buddy
You're not getting a lot of new nutrition out of it, but you know, when you're, when, like Jeremy said, when you're, your sugar's starting to crash, which I have the same problem.

01:12:15.22
Keith
It's not ice cream. No, it's fun. Fun to eat.

01:12:23.45
Buddy
And that's lot of reasons why my military days I was doing the, the, Power bars or the, we called them meal, back then the big buzzword was meal replacement.

01:12:35.15
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:12:35.19
Buddy
And so you get a meal replacement bar, it was better than your average, you know, power bar because there was extra protein, extra carbs, extra calories in them.

01:12:47.19
Buddy
And so, you know, you can make a meal out of if you had to. So um that's a, you know, that's that's something to think about. and And when you're buying all your foods, I mean,

01:13:00.45
Buddy
they're not all made the same, you know, they're not all priced the same and you have to kind of search, you know, and look for what, what's the purpose of this. If I'm buying a bug out meal, you know, what's, what's the requirement for my bug out meal?

01:13:14.99
Buddy
ah What, you know, do I want a high protein or more carbs? You know, you have to figure out that niche that, you know, you want for that certain event you want, if it's a bug out or if it's, you know, you're sitting around, you know,

01:13:29.88
Buddy
bugging in you know, you might want to hold off on the the sodium that you want and, you know, would be better, more beneficial for you in your bug out situation. So.

01:13:39.58
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:13:39.66
Keith
I would suggest that everybody listening just do a test for themselves and their family.

01:13:39.72
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:13:43.43
Keith
Maybe if if you don't have a family, maybe maybe have friends, and just try to go like a weekend or or three days, let's say Friday through Sunday or Monday through Wednesday, just eating the freeze-dried emergency food.

01:13:54.77
Keith
Not freeze-dried foods, freeze-dried emergency foods. Okay, now I'm talking about the real expensive, you know, high dollar. I'm talking just regular old freeze-dried foods that say, you know, that this packet's got...

01:14:07.15
Keith
You know eight servings and see if you can go three days and and test it out.

01:14:11.70
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:14:11.79
Keith
And it's not really a challenge that I'm challenging anybody out there.

01:14:11.91
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:14:15.50
Keith
I'm saying do it's like training. Use it as a training so that you know what you're getting into before you start buying some very expensive stuff.

01:14:23.75
Jeremy
yeah

01:14:23.76
Buddy
Well, and and i've I've actually done this. A few years ago, me and a buddy, we'll do couple times a year, we'll go camping. And so we were like, hey, for we took the freeze dried food just because, you know, it was easy.

01:14:37.24
Buddy
And we did a little backpacking and stuff. And so it's become a deal now to where it's like, hey, I found, you know, and that's how I found Peak. They had a, ah I was at Cabela's and with with this dude and we were like buying some food and it's like, hey, look, it's a backcountry bison bowl.

01:14:54.96
Buddy
And, you know, it's $15 or I think $12 at the time.

01:14:57.19
Keith
Damn.

01:14:58.11
Jeremy
damn

01:14:59.83
Keith
I'd eat that.

01:14:59.85
Buddy
But man, let let me tell you about this thing. It has 42, it has 42 grams protein in in the meal. um 106 carbs and 930 calories so yeah you know and they have it portioned out to where um and this is something you need to they'll have a half i call it a half portion they'll have two servings per uh pouch and we touched on this earlier that you know you can you can

01:15:10.80
Keith
Damn.

01:15:11.02
Jeremy
that's that's a date night dude

01:15:12.81
Keith
Wow.

01:15:29.68
Keith
Bye.

01:15:30.84
Buddy
you have two servings per pouch and they'll give you the calories and and carbs and everything for each. But man, eat one of those servings and you're, you're not getting a lot out of it. You know what i mean? ah At least for my stomach, I have to always eat the full thing, but you know, eat, eat freeze dried food. Like you said, for a weekend,

01:15:48.93
Buddy
And, uh, and then just see how you feel about two, you know, two and a half days of that, you know, Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, and just see how you feel because you're going to feel different.

01:15:54.77
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:15:59.55
Buddy
Um, especially if you're just sitting around a campground, you go, maybe you're fishing or something, but try it out and see what you like.

01:15:59.76
Jeremy
yeah

01:16:05.19
Buddy
Uh, and so my experience is, you know, It all tastes the same. After that first excursion we did, you know, the chili mac was tasting like the lasagna was tasting like, you know, whatever else, chicken dumplings was all, they were all tasting the same.

01:16:23.35
Buddy
And so we figured out that we need to bring some spices with us. Well, they have a camping and we found it at Walmart. They have a camping spice and it's like a little carousel.

01:16:35.98
Jeremy
Oh, yeah. yeah

01:16:37.26
Buddy
And it we bring that with us now and and it it stays in our, you know, well, I have a little, you know, camping box, you know, ammo box that I put all my stuff in and keep it there.

01:16:37.37
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:16:49.76
Jeremy
And you're going to use you're going to use the same three that everybody else uses and and the same stuff that nobody else touches will sit right there.

01:16:49.79
Buddy
So I got it and grab it.

01:16:57.92
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:16:58.07
Buddy
Well, I'm definitely, yes, I'm definitely not putting salt in them because all of them have a lot of sodium, but, um, yeah. And I could probably just go buy me some, uh, slap your mother, uh, slap your mama.

01:17:10.47
Keith
Slap your mama.

01:17:11.21
Jeremy
ah huh

01:17:11.92
Keith
Oh, man, that stuff was good.

01:17:12.00
Buddy
Yeah. I could probably just buy that and I'm good, you know?

01:17:13.97
Jeremy
i I can just tell you this.

01:17:15.72
Buddy
And,

01:17:16.61
Jeremy
My go-to seasonings to take with me on contract, and i will have them and and in an emergency situation, is Tony Thatcher, Creole Seasoning. And then ah it's a brand and and the best way to call it is it's called special shit.

01:17:33.58
Jeremy
And they have a whole series of, you can find it on Amazon. They have special shit, chicken shit, cow shit, and it's all different.

01:17:42.67
Buddy
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:43.89
Jeremy
It's all different kinds of seasonings. And that the special shit one is who good.

01:17:49.76
Buddy
Yeah, I saw that for the first time.

01:17:51.02
Keith
Interesting.

01:17:52.08
Jeremy
Yeah. And it goes on everything.

01:17:52.34
Buddy
I saw that for the first time, yeah.

01:17:54.32
Jeremy
I mean, it goes on literally everything.

01:17:54.45
Keith
ah like that little look I like that little carousel thing you're talking about that you get at Walmart. we've got

01:17:59.34
Jeremy
um

01:17:59.67
Keith
Every time we see them, we grab them. Our pepper pantry's got five or six of them just sitting in there still in the package. But those are pretty cool, man. They're handy. You spin it around and you can open up whichever one you want.

01:18:07.31
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:18:09.95
Keith
Normally, it's like the salt, pepper, and garlic. you know, but they've got other stuff in there. I like personally, like turmeric and pepper and a lot of my stuff.

01:18:16.89
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:18:18.45
Keith
So we, we kind of make up our own little ah spice deals and we put them in our, in our bags just to have them, you know?

01:18:24.51
Jeremy
Yeah, making your own spice packets and even your own honey straws. is a Those are great ways to go.

01:18:28.82
Keith
Oh yeah. Yeah.

01:18:31.07
Buddy
um

01:18:31.24
Keith
Mm-hmm.

01:18:31.85
Buddy
I'm sure Jeremy can back me up on this, but you know, every, if you have any food that tastes like shit and you just, you're eating most of the stuff you're, when you're survival situation, you're eating not for flavor, you're, you're eating for survival, but you know, if you can have both and why not?

01:18:48.86
Buddy
Uh, we used to get the little Tabasco, uh, bottles in our MREs and, but, and I never really ate them. i always traded them for whatever, you know, I, I love the gum.

01:18:57.70
Keith
I like Tabasco sauce.

01:19:00.05
Buddy
So I'd always trade it for gum. Uh,

01:19:02.98
Jeremy
Well,

01:19:03.16
Buddy
and Yes, we can talk about the gama there.

01:19:04.31
Jeremy
the they they still have – and that's another thing about MREs that – yeah, ah that's a lot one big misnomer that people have about MREs.

01:19:10.14
Keith
Hour and 20 minutes, gentlemen. Keep going. Just saying.

01:19:17.38
Jeremy
They're not eternal. The newer MREs only last. They have a shelf life for three years. the The series before what they're serving right now was five years. That was that was about it.