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195 Strategic Relocation - Applying the Patrol Base Principles to Your Land Search

• Keith Otworth & Rhonda Triggs • Season 7 • Episode 195

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Tonight,

We’re continuing our discussion on one of the most important moves you’ll ever make as a Prepper Survivalist: Strategic Relocation.

You gotta know by now that cities are soft targets and the suburbs are even more fragile. And when the grid goes dark and the system breaks, you’ll want to be the most strategically positioned for success.

So, what do you look for in land, that can double as a homestead and a bug-out location? What makes a property an asset, and not a liability, when the world goes sideways? In this series, we’re breaking down things like terrain, resources, access, concealment, legal traps, and the mindset it takes to relocate, with purpose.

Strategic Relocation is about seeing what’s coming and making your move before everyone else realizes that they’re already too late.

We all know that the clock is ticking—and your final stronghold isn’t going to find itself.

So…

Let’s Get To It.

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00:00.00
Keith
your testes on a regular basis are they working today what'd you do today

00:03.48
Jeremy
It is important.

00:05.84
Buddy
I don't know. I haven't tested them today. I've been too busy. Maybe later.

00:12.68
Buddy
Man, i've I've worked on a couple projects and then I went to Costco.

00:18.19
Keith
ohs shit Disneyland there shit what's it like on a on a Thursday

00:18.40
Buddy
That's always fun.

00:18.76
Jeremy
Oh, gosh.

00:19.69
Buddy
Yeah.

00:22.84
Buddy
Brave new world.

00:26.10
Buddy
Yep.

00:28.27
Buddy
Uh, it's better than on a Saturday or a Sunday for sure.

00:31.15
Keith
Right, or Friday when everybody gets paid, Friday evening.

00:33.28
Jeremy
Hmm.

00:34.26
Buddy
Yeah. Um, yes, a lot. I i go, i try to go midweek, uh, mid morning's good, but I don't know.

00:42.22
Keith
that where your regular shopping?

00:42.45
Buddy
You get, uh, man, I, I get roped into going on the weekend, which it tests all my patients. So I don't get do good with big crowds and, and people walking around with their head up their ass.

00:57.75
Keith
No, i mean I'm sure...

00:57.93
Buddy
You know, I run over people with carts and, oh, I'm so sorry. Pardon me.

01:02.53
Keith
Yeah, I don't i don't either.

01:03.23
Buddy
You know,

01:04.48
Keith
Is that where you do your regular shopping, though?

01:07.06
Buddy
i buy bulk stuff there. I try to stay away from every other place, man.

01:08.83
Keith
Okay.

01:11.42
Buddy
I find myself, believe it or not, you guys have Brahms up there.

01:15.80
Keith
Brahms, of course. Hell yeah.

01:17.29
Buddy
Okay. Yeah. So they have a fresh market and it's, you know little small, tiny, but I get, I get a few things from there. A local market, which is very expensive.

01:28.25
Buddy
ah And then Costco. So, yeah, I don't, I'm simple, man. i'm um

01:33.77
Keith
You know, I take it back where I'm at now. We don't have Brahms, but we did when we were like a Kansas City had one. And of course, the Texas are everywhere.

01:42.93
Buddy
Yeah. Yeah.

01:44.06
Keith
And I like a little, that little shop they've got. There's got some fresh, you know, fresh stuff in it.

01:48.67
Buddy
Yeah. And ah yeah, I try to buy ah Costco, bigger bigger ticket items, the bulk items and stuff. So I hit it once, maybe twice a month. get the big stuff and then, uh,

02:00.13
Keith
The Costco for us is like it's in Springfield. So it's ah you know it's a it's a trip. It's an hour and a half, an hour and 45, whatever it is, it's it's a trip.

02:08.10
Buddy
yeah.

02:08.64
Keith
So when we go, it's usually big. Last time we went, we spent like $400. you know we We had like two carts loaded all the way to the top.

02:15.07
Buddy
Yeah.

02:15.77
Jeremy
Hmm.

02:17.94
Keith
That's how we got when we got to the register. We had two fully loaded carts all the way up. But that was the last time we went in the past year.

02:24.04
Jeremy
But you... I was going to say, you guys usually probably have to like, get all your stuff at once, don't you?

02:31.40
Keith
Yeah, exactly. Because, it's I mean, the trip itself is, is you're talking about a three-hour drive. you're like I'm not going to do that every weekend. That's like once-a-year type of thing.

02:38.18
Jeremy
Hmm.

02:41.11
Buddy
Yeah, I i'm hit it. I mean, I'll go twice. i don't always buy a lot, but once once a month, I stock up, usually first a month with all the big ticket stuff. And then I remember living in Brooklyn and going to Costco there, and they had what they called BJ's.

02:58.07
Buddy
And Sam's, they had a way upstate, but just...

03:02.23
Keith
B.J.' 's burger.

03:04.21
Buddy
Well, no, it's not the BJ's Burger. It's ah it's it's like as sam's you know it's a ah subscription type thing repay club ah b j they call it b j something club i don't know anyway so kind like a Sam's.

03:10.51
Keith
o

03:13.11
Keith
Yeah.

03:22.29
Buddy
Yeah, you hit it once a month, buy just crazy amounts of stuff, and then stock up, and then your daily stuff.

03:26.57
Keith
Mm-hmm.

03:28.71
Jeremy
Thank you.

03:29.75
Buddy
you know and In New York, the normal thing to do is you hit the bodega or hit you know the little neighborhood shop on the way home and grab what you're going to cook for the dinner. you know

03:38.64
Keith
Right. Exactly.

03:40.09
Buddy
so But yeah.

03:40.97
Keith
It's been a lot, spent a lot more money that way.

03:43.11
Buddy
Yeah. And you just don't have the space. so But yeah, good times. i've done my I've done my shopping this month already, and it's not even June, so I can lock myself back in the house.

03:57.81
Keith
I like it.

04:01.40
Keith
Gentlemen, what are we going to be talking about today?

04:05.76
Jeremy
We are continuing our series.

04:06.41
Keith
I use that phrase very loosely.

04:10.36
Jeremy
Yeah.

04:10.78
Buddy
to say you already started out insulting us.

04:11.45
Jeremy
ah We are continuing our...

04:12.88
Buddy
Sweet.

04:14.85
Jeremy
I know.

04:15.67
Keith
I don't have Rhonda here this week's insults.

04:16.68
Jeremy
ah We are...

04:17.27
Keith
So I'm like, I've got all my insults backed up. I can um mean, I have no chops to bust over here.

04:19.87
Buddy
oh

04:21.43
Keith
She's in Texas and I bust her. I bust her chops all day. She gets irritated.

04:25.38
Buddy
sweet

04:25.89
Keith
but

04:28.98
Jeremy
I believe we're continuing our series on land and bug out locations.

04:35.66
Keith
That's correct. We are. how do you want to start?

04:37.94
Jeremy
Well, uh,

04:39.79
Keith
Well, let me ask you this. what What did we talk about on the first run around?

04:40.77
Jeremy
well

04:44.84
Jeremy
So the first but time we had Kevin on and it was it was a and perspective from a realtor or someone who actually deals in finding land and building homes, which, you know, that's ah that's a pretty big thing.

04:56.68
Keith
Right.

05:00.93
Jeremy
um Because a lot of people, I think, believe that, you know, if something were to happen, they can pick up their stuff and just go find somewhere and park there they their butt. And that's not reality.

05:12.83
Jeremy
Because there's no more land being made. All of the surface the Earth's surface has already been made. um But ah land that you can legally, you know, go to in the time of an emergency,

05:28.50
Jeremy
That's what you got to find. And that, that Kevin provided a lot of really good insight on some of those things. So, but one of the things that we want to talk about today is an actual bug out location, which can also be, you know, your property.

05:46.88
Jeremy
Cause a lot of people don't want to bug out. They will just stay where they're at and that's their hill, you know?

05:52.72
Keith
That would be a choice thing to do.

05:52.98
Jeremy
So that's, that's kind of where we're going to take it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, bugging out, it sounds romantic and cool, but it's, it's probably not. It really probably is not.

06:04.51
Jeremy
So, and but in a dire emergency. Okay. Yes. Um, but if it's something that could pass and you have prepared and have a plan and do all those things, you'll be fine.

06:15.65
Buddy
Man, if if they make a movie about it, then you probably want to steer clear of it because there's high risk involved.

06:15.83
Jeremy
So,

06:21.38
Jeremy
in

06:21.56
Buddy
so But, you know, I mean, ah like for me, I do have a bug out location, but it's something I'm not going to do for 72 hours at least.

06:23.13
Jeremy
yeah. Yeah.

06:32.13
Buddy
I'm going to have to have discipline to let the situation develop. and find out what's happening, what's going really going on, you know, 72 hours and people, you know, they can probably survive out of their refrigerator for 72 hours in their cupboards.

06:47.90
Buddy
Then it starts to get, you know, situation starts to change. So that's when I make my assessment.

06:54.27
Jeremy
Yeah. And I think that really happened. it It depends on what the actual situation is. um

07:00.61
Buddy
Very true.

07:01.33
Jeremy
A power outage of 72 hours or more is, you know, you're youre but you're pushing it. um But if you have the proper ah systems in place, you'll be fine.

07:12.66
Jeremy
Generators, solar generators, those kinds of things. Yeah.

07:16.35
Keith
I think a power outage is probably the hardest one to deal with, if you ask me, because of the fact that you can't see it coming and you don't know how long it's going to last and you don't know what the cause is. For the most part, you don't know what the cause is. If you're in the middle of winter and it's a winter storm, you can pretty much, you know, put two and two together and figure out that that's the reason why the power is out. And it might be out for a day or two whenever those guys get out there and they, the linemen get out there and fix it.

07:38.52
Keith
Same with storms. You know, you pretty much knowing it's going to be ah a temporary type of situation.

07:39.75
Jeremy
Oh, yeah.

07:45.15
Keith
Now, whole on a second. I can only imagine I got UPS rolling up. Can you hear him?

07:53.47
Jeremy
oh yeah

07:53.44
Keith
Yeah, he's upstairs and he's so freaking loud.

07:54.78
Buddy
Yeah, know nobody's sneaking nobody's sneaking up on you, that's for sure.

07:57.73
Keith
No, and the UPS guy the other day came he's like, he's he opened his door and he's like, dog up. I'm like, dude, he's he does this to me too. he He will not bite. He just sounds like he'll destroy you, but he's a puppy dog.

08:09.19
Keith
well I'm like, you know ah it's like yeah you know, don't fear it, but

08:11.30
Jeremy
That's like my dogs. That's, that's, that's our dog situation in our neighborhood right now with, uh, with the Karen in the back of our neighborhood. It's anyway.

08:21.46
Keith
Uh, that's bad.

08:23.31
Jeremy
Yeah. So,

08:24.86
Keith
Well, hold on. Let's wait for him to shut up. Cause I, I got in that way of day. Were you going to say something more to that? Oh, I I've got a few more.

08:32.47
Jeremy
Oh no, do we, uh, I think I told you all about what happened.

08:33.09
Keith
Let's hold on. Well, hold on.

08:35.83
Buddy
Oh, you got a...

08:36.26
Keith
Hold on second. I'm waiting for him to stop.

08:38.35
Buddy
Yeah, you got a Karen there.

08:41.52
Jeremy
Oh, yeah.

08:41.56
Buddy
Yeah, the neighborhood Karen.

08:42.19
Jeremy
Yeah.

08:42.78
Buddy
Everybody has one.

08:43.54
Jeremy
Now, it she was ah justifiably upset, but the the the length that she has taken things, and i can't imagine.

08:53.39
Keith
What she upset about?

08:53.88
Jeremy
i had to have a converter. So there was an incident where Missy and her cousin were in the backyard. i was not here And um this one particular lady and her, she was pushing her baby in a stroller and one of her dogs who happens to be a wolf mix.

09:10.41
Keith
well

09:13.38
Buddy
Whoa. whoa

09:14.41
Jeremy
ah We're walking on the side street by the house and all of a sudden the dogs noticed and they charged at the dog, not the humans, the dog.

09:25.95
Jeremy
um

09:26.20
Keith
you You don't have a fence?

09:26.93
Jeremy
They're extremely

09:28.76
Keith
Okay.

09:29.08
Jeremy
No, no. We have some bushes, you know, but ah they charged at the the dog and there was this yelling and they were able to pull the dogs in and, you know more yelling and yada, yada, yada.

09:43.77
Jeremy
Um, it it sucks, but you know, our dogs are extremely protective. They're very territorial and it's a thing. Um, so some time had passed, I was on contract and all of a sudden I started getting messages from this random dude.

10:00.75
Jeremy
I'm like, uh, clearly something has happened. I couldn't respond to him at the time. Um, and I got ahold of Missy and what I had apparently. The same lady was walking on the front street, again, had her dog, one of their dogs. Looks like a wolf because it's a wolf mix.

10:17.60
Jeremy
And our dogs and Missy ah were out front minding their own business. Nobody had even noticed that she was out there walking. And for some reason, this woman decided to yell and alert our dogs.

10:31.19
Jeremy
And ah our dogs did exactly what they did again, and they went after her dog, which she doesn't understand. And I've tried to explain this to her husband and and to no avail.

10:42.75
Jeremy
um Our dogs around two or three in the morning, if we're out going pee and a coyote shows up, they're going to chase down that coyote and kill it. They don't know the difference between that dog and a coyote.

10:54.16
Jeremy
They just don't. They just know that there is a foreign looking dog and it's in near their territory and they did what they you know are going to do. does it is it Is it our thing about keeping them within the lines of our property? Yes.

11:08.90
Jeremy
um But our dogs are so driven that they both had shot collars on, chased her dog all the way to the back of the neighborhood, got a hold of it a little bit,

11:21.40
Jeremy
And um when they came back up, our male, who's very, very large, he had run his nails down to the quick. That's how hard he was running. um And um so I'm getting contacted by this this chick's husband, who's a Green Beret. It took me less than five minutes to figure out who he was, who his sergeant major was, what team he was on, and exactly what his job is.

11:46.29
Jeremy
And um I told him, I said,

11:47.49
Buddy
Was it volunteering all that information?

11:50.98
Jeremy
No, all I needed was his name.

11:53.00
Buddy
uh,

11:53.20
Jeremy
And, um, and he was foolish enough to tell Missy that he was a green beret and I'm like, okay, cool. I got it. And, um, so I just, um, I, when I got back from, from contract, I said, I started talking to him and he's, he put demands on us. He's like, you have one week to put up a fence or we're contacting the law.

12:14.55
Jeremy
And I said, well, I'll just remove that, uh, that big mystery from you. One, we're not putting up fence to, we already contacted the law and self-reported and we already contacted animal control and self-reported.

12:26.85
Jeremy
So if you decide, or if your wife decides to walk in front of our house again, or buy our property and alert our dogs, Then we're going to file against you and it's going to turn into a i forget the exact legal phrase, but it's basically antagonizing with intent.

12:46.92
Jeremy
Like she's antagonizing our dogs in an effort to get them to you know react so that they have justification to go after us and the dogs. And ultimately what they're trying to do, because this guy, young Green Beret, he basically took all of our conversation that he and I had and ah spread it amongst his little buddies in the back of the neighborhood.

13:12.88
Jeremy
And um we became the subject of attack ah there on on the neighborhood Facebook page. And we were like, look, we're not putting up a fence. We did everything that we needed to do legally. They've got collars They were increasing their training.

13:28.72
Jeremy
However, instinct and drive will never, never match training. It'll always overrule training, especially with our dogs. They're German Shepherd, Belgian Malinois mix.

13:39.34
Jeremy
There's a level of drive that they have that people do not understand at all. That's because they don't understand the breed. So... So, yeah, but we haven't seen her in a while, you know, but we put up signs ah that says, um ah beware of dogs.

13:59.06
Jeremy
We are not responsible for injury or death and our property is being surveilled. So stay away from our damn property.

14:06.74
Keith
Wow, it's crazy.

14:08.70
Jeremy
Yeah, and and she tried to use the whole thing of, um well, you know, we were on a public street. Well, actually, the side street that is in between us and that bar restaurant is actually half, we own half of a street because they cut it without our permission when they built that restaurant.

14:25.78
Jeremy
So, yeah.

14:26.07
Keith
Hmm.

14:26.62
Buddy
Oh, the easement. Yeah.

14:30.79
Jeremy
They maintain right of use. We maintain ownership.

14:34.42
Buddy
Ah.

14:35.23
Jeremy
So, yeah. Yep.

14:38.35
Keith
so yeah So what I was saying was, um so with the, back to what was saying, power outage, right. So with the powder power outage, the the thing is that if it's a If it goes out and there's no reason for you know no obvious reason for it, that's where it gets really tricky. Because your power outage could be, let's say it's EMP. Let's say something totally benign and one of the Transformers blew up. You just don't know.

15:02.84
Keith
If there's no storm and it's a beautiful sunny day and there's nothing going on in the world and all of a sudden the power goes out, you just don't know. so I have, this is where I, I don't know what to do.

15:13.83
Keith
This is where I would have to play it by ear at that point. I think that's kind of buddy, what you were saying I would love to know more about, you know, area of study or, you know, uh, you whatever it is you do head on a swivel, you know, with it you know, just figure out when exactly is a time to, to say bye-bye and go. Do you wait a day? Do you wait two days away week? I mean, I can, I can wait out for a while, but how long do you wait it out when you don't know what's going on?

15:38.57
Keith
You know, that's the thing.

15:41.22
Buddy
Yeah. um Like I said, I'm going to have discipline and and reassess after 72 hours.

15:50.54
Buddy
Just because, you know, um and hopefully I'm going to gain enough knowledge before data, intelligence, whatever you want to call it, to find out what's going on. So like if it happened right now, well,

16:04.66
Buddy
there's been rumblings of world war three. So if, if something happens and and of course you're going to look at the indicators, there'll be several indicators. If there's big mushroom clouds up in the air, well, probably nuclear.

16:16.34
Buddy
Um, if things just go, you know, if there's booms way up in the air, you know, uh, and you hear, this is ah you know, it it could be aliens or it could be, you know, an EMP, you know, there's indicators.

16:18.81
Keith
It happens like Homestead, like the movie, you know, something like that.

16:29.60
Buddy
If, if none of your electronics work, EMP, something like that. But, You know, look.

16:34.84
Jeremy
Well, that's actually one of the things. go I'm sorry, buddy.

16:37.12
Buddy
Yeah, just so just look for the indicators is all you need to do.

16:37.61
Jeremy
Go ahead.

16:39.68
Buddy
I mean, yeah but you got to know what the indicators are.

16:41.01
Jeremy
Yeah.

16:41.52
Buddy
So maybe that's another podcast, you know.

16:45.71
Jeremy
Yeah, I one of the like, and just sticking with the power thing, as soon as the power if it ever goes out here, that's the one thing I do is I look and it's like, okay, does it just the lights or did anything else go off?

16:57.66
Jeremy
Check my watch, check my phone, check a computer whatever. I'm like, oh okay, cool. It's just, it's just the lights. And then start looking at the sky. Because it's like that video clip where the dude's putting in his his sweetener in the coffee and then all of a sudden there's a mushroom cloud and he switches to sugar. Yeah.

17:15.00
Jeremy
I think it would be pretty obvious for some things. so

17:17.96
Buddy
yeah I'm grabbing the tequila or Everclear or whatever is and whatever's close to throwing that it's got to be better where they're from

17:22.88
Keith
It took me half a second to figure that out.

17:23.89
Jeremy
Yeah.

17:25.34
Keith
Look, if it's aliens, I'm siding with them. I'm not siding with with with us because we're're we're losing.

17:29.41
Jeremy
Hmm. Hmm.

17:32.34
Keith
Exactly.

17:32.55
Buddy
yeah

17:33.10
Keith
Plus, they they're going to beat us, so you might as well just, you know, be their yes, overlord. Whatever you need, we're here for you.

17:41.42
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unless they probe you, that that would be uncool.

17:45.77
Keith
I mean, if you're still alive and you're not getting burned up or sizzled up, I don't know.

17:46.36
Jeremy
So

17:49.74
Keith
You know.

17:51.56
Jeremy
yeah. and Yeah. I mean, I could see where you're going with that. I'm picking up what you're putting down.

17:55.45
Keith
It's a matter of survival. You know, I think I'm going to put it down.

17:58.67
Jeremy
Yeah. No judgment and survival. So one of the things yeah.

18:02.72
Keith
So, so go on.

18:05.22
Jeremy
Yeah.

18:06.87
Keith
ah Move along, sir.

18:07.68
Jeremy
um

18:08.59
Keith
Nothing say here.

18:09.79
Jeremy
ah One of the things that we and me and Buddy um had had actually discussed this a little bit about in the military or in the Army specifically, we have this thing that's called the principles of a patrol base.

18:23.97
Jeremy
So if you um if you look at what a patrol base is in the Army, it is a location for a whatever size of element that is deemed, you know, if you're if you're traveling in a platoon that's between 32 and 35 or 38 people, you need an area that is large enough to encompass ah all of the individuals within that element.

18:48.78
Jeremy
And um one of the biggest things about a patrol base is it has to be, you have to be able to secure it. You know, you have to have security. So if you're thinking about a patrol or a, piece of bug out property or your own personal property, um you have to be able to, when you're getting ready to purchase this thing, look around and be like, okay, I can fit everything that I want to do.

19:11.30
Jeremy
i can fit my whole family and I can fit all of our stuff into this particular thing.

19:16.24
Buddy
Thank

19:16.57
Jeremy
And I can also secure it. um So that's one of the the the main things is If you own land, and again, this has all been part of the process that I've been learning over the past, you know, two, two and a half years is um you've got to be able to secure the acreage that you own.

19:36.03
Jeremy
And you've got to be able to make sure that it's, you know, it's actually out there. It's secure. You don't have wanderers. You don't have drifters. You don't have, you know, people that are not supposed to be there on your property. um So along with that, one of the main principles is it has to be able to offer good cover and concealment.

19:54.27
Jeremy
So if things get crazy crazy in the world, um you've got to be able to defend your property. And we've talked about this before in different episodes. And you know you have to be able to not only fend off anyone who might be coming on,

20:11.18
Jeremy
um But you have to teach your family on how to do that as well. if you can ah If you're going to stay and that's your hill, then that's your hill and you need to be able to train to do so.

20:22.37
Jeremy
So being able to find locations on your property to defend it is really, really important. Buddy, did you have anything to add on that one?

20:32.64
Buddy
Yeah. um Touching on that. Let's see. What the hell? I just wrote something down. i can't even read my writing. Yeah. you You want to have it strategically placed where you can easily defend it.

20:47.31
Buddy
You know, ah a patrol base is is really everything you do in in the army or the military, infantry or whatever. it's It's all about, um you know, you have to be sustainable and not so much in the prepper sense, but yet,

21:01.29
Buddy
as a platoon, which means you have to be able to, to fight, you know, and, defend. So definitely, you know, and live and strategic placement of that, you know, you're, would would it be good to put a patrol base in the, in the base of a valley or on top of a hill?

21:08.51
Keith
and live.

21:10.94
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

21:19.14
Jeremy
Right.

21:19.30
Buddy
You know, you got to look at, at that strategic placement and, consider all the security risk, which, uh, you know, you just have to factor in and, and,

21:19.42
Jeremy
Yeah.

21:23.68
Jeremy
Yeah.

21:31.03
Buddy
deciding what's the best location and you're not going to hit every, you know, we're going to touch ah about a lot of things here and you're not going to get and A plus in each of these areas. And if you do, that's awesome.

21:41.68
Jeremy
yeah yeah yeah

21:42.25
Buddy
But you, you know, you got to pick your battles with this thing, you know? But I think you've talked about the most important parts that strategic placement. So, yeah.

21:53.05
Jeremy
yeah and the the the second principle is actually that is it's terrain that is easily defendable over a short period of time Um, you know, the, some of the stuff that you see in movies with gunfights and all that totally unrealistic gunfights last seconds.

22:07.61
Jeremy
Um, and even long distance gunfights, they sometimes last seconds. Now I have been in gunfights that last hours, but you know, most of them are over in a very short period of time. Uh, and the third one, of course, and it's our favorite subject, which is, uh, it's near a good water source.

22:25.04
Jeremy
So um being able to ah tap into water through a well or have a stream or having some kind of water available on the land that is separate from the you know your county or city water ah is a huge, huge bonus if you have that.

22:43.64
Jeremy
Of course, it still has to be purified. It still has to be, you know, you still have to gather it and purify it and do all those things. um And if you can't, you know, there's some alternatives, um gutters that lead into water collection barrels, which are used for, you know, a multitude of different things.

22:59.99
Jeremy
So having water available on the property or, you know, yeah whether it be your home property or your bug out location is very important. um And I know, ah Keith, you're super big on water. Do you guys have water on your land or how do you guys do that?

23:21.55
Buddy
I think he stepped away, yeah. yeah

23:24.58
Keith
Sorry, i was on I was on mute sitting here talking.

23:24.63
Jeremy
Hmm.

23:27.55
Keith
ah we did ah We did a checklist ah when we when we started looking for land and try to check off boxes. And you're right, you're not going to check off all the boxes. And if even if you do check off all the boxes, they're not 100% on each box.

23:40.65
Keith
So water access was definitely number one for for us. um And woods, ah security, seclusion, that sort of thing. When it comes to water, we have on our property, we didn't even know about that the second and the third one, but we have a wet weather creek, which in the rain turns into sort of waterfall running, rushing type of thing.

24:01.89
Keith
But where does it go?

24:02.78
Jeremy
here

24:03.08
Keith
It goes down to the bottoms, which is this creek down there, which is on our property, a but large section of it is. About 300 yards of it is on our property. So even if it gets to a dry point where you're not raining for you know a month or so, you're still at the low point. You can dig for water.

24:20.69
Keith
But we also have a well.

24:21.82
Jeremy
yeah

24:22.36
Keith
So in realistic everyday living matters, you you want to you want to really would you want to look for a well. Even if you don't use it, like if you have a well and access to public, that's great.

24:34.64
Keith
That's best of both worlds. so But a well is really what you want to look for for for getting your groundwater.

24:37.22
Jeremy
Yeah.

24:41.54
Keith
Also, you want to check your state ah for the uses of water. Missouri is, I'm trying to think of that word. um

24:54.29
Keith
What's called?

24:55.20
Jeremy
Communist? No. Yeah.

24:57.13
Keith
Well, I don't know much about that, but um let me see if I can find it here. I had it in some.

25:02.25
Buddy
The bird's the word. No, no, no, no, no.

25:06.39
Keith
ah No, I've got it right here. it's It's not a word I use every day. So it's riparian. ah that That's the word. ah Missouri is a riparian water state, which means that you have access you have access to the above ground and below ground water source.

25:27.47
Keith
as long as you're not

25:31.99
Keith
affecting other people's access to the water. So you can water catch. A lot of places you can't use water catchment, believe or not.

25:36.47
Jeremy
Right.

25:39.04
Keith
Believe it not, there are states that won't allow you to use water catchment systems.

25:39.79
Jeremy
Right. I know.

25:42.17
Keith
It's crazy.

25:43.22
Buddy
Yeah, there's.

25:43.40
Keith
It's coming from the sky. It's coming from God it's so himself, and we can't use it.

25:44.45
Jeremy
I know.

25:47.25
Keith
No, because they're saying you're going to affect the water source underground by collecting it.

25:52.80
Jeremy
yeah

25:53.49
Keith
So that's something you definitely want to check about.

25:53.71
Jeremy
A lot of it, they they have some of those rules here. ah They have ah some of those rules here and it all has to do about taxes.

25:59.43
Keith
Do they really?

26:01.48
Jeremy
Taxes and money. That's all they care about here.

26:03.47
Keith
It's always money, right? that's It's money.

26:04.78
Jeremy
Yep. It's always money. Yep. And then, so going on from there, go ahead.

26:08.67
Buddy
Well, ah part of that part of.

26:13.48
Buddy
Okay, I was just going to say, you know, a good area study before you go and look for land and stuff is a good means to find out, you know, a lot of these things, you know, and water being the most important thing. I think it's, you know, in my, in my opinion, water is the most important thing besides probably security.

26:33.25
Keith
Absolutely. Yes. And you should be looking at, if you're looking at a land um that has actual buildings on it, those buildings, you should also consider those water catchment systems.

26:43.79
Keith
So take a look at the roofs, what type of roofs are they have? If you have to do any amendments to them or fix them or repair more or rebuild them, you know, things to collect your water source areas to collect your water. Do they have a well?

26:55.12
Keith
Is your well, has your well been tested? Can you test it? You definitely get tested before you buy it, but you may have, you may be like where we had a situation we were up against other people that were looking at the same properties and we kept losing the properties because we were moving too slow.

27:10.41
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

27:11.53
Keith
So all these things matter, you know, beforehand.

27:16.21
Jeremy
Yeah, so I'm reading here and it says North Carolina permits harvested rainwater for on-site non-potable water reuse applications divided by whether the collected rainwater is treated or untreated.

27:31.25
Jeremy
Additionally, water can water quality requirements may apply dependent on intended application. So it's not for resale, but it's for personal use.

27:39.33
Keith
And it's not, but it's not for drinking, right? its says non potable.

27:44.00
Jeremy
Yeah, and but now that's that's how they define rainwater is it's non-potable, but you can purify it.

27:48.62
Keith
ah Gotcha. Gotcha. Before, before it's been cleaned and all that.

27:50.95
Jeremy
Yeah.

27:51.93
Keith
Gotcha. Gotcha.

27:52.52
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. um So moving on to the next.

27:55.52
Keith
So it's all in the wording.

27:57.91
Jeremy
Yeah, it's all words. Words matter, especially here when we're such a highly taxed state. um So the next one is you, it's avoidance of unrestricted terrain, key terrain or terrain ah that the enemy or civilian populace would consider as having a tactical value or use their operations.

28:20.42
Jeremy
So what does that mean in general?

28:21.34
Keith
So you're you're talking about this in a military terms, right?

28:22.43
Jeremy
um Yeah, so that's the that's the pure military definition. The civilian translation of that or for the prepper is kind of goes back to the gray man theory.

28:34.30
Jeremy
um you do not want to present an image to the outside that you have a bunch of stuff and that is your castle and that's where you keep your things. Like if you go near your driveway and there's a big archway that says Prepper's Paradise, but somebody was probably going to see that and be like, oh, cool. I guess we're going to raid this one next.

28:52.75
Jeremy
you don't want to You don't want to put yourself out there to basically invite unwanted company. um And that also goes along with your online presence when you're showing off you know your property and things like that. when you're taking taking pictures and doing videos and stuff like that, you have to be cognizant of what is in the background.

29:12.47
Jeremy
um you know because I mean, we are out there, you know, at the three of us, but nobody would be able to say what we have or don't have individually.

29:23.38
Jeremy
But there since we're now a name and a you know ah basically a public presence, you know there's a general understanding that we know and have things. But if you're sitting on your property and thats you know that's where you're going to defend yourself, don't put yourself out there any more than you absolutely have to.

29:41.49
Jeremy
um So that's that's kind of my thoughts on that one.

29:46.49
Jeremy
So, and moving on.

29:49.33
Keith
Agreed. Okay.

29:50.01
Jeremy
Yep.

29:50.13
Keith
And that's a good, that's a good point. That's a good point. ah do Are you able to hear me? Or is there my own delay?

29:56.41
Jeremy
ah Yeah. Yeah. There's a little bit of a, there's a slight delay.

29:57.33
Keith
Do you think?

30:00.83
Jeremy
I can actually, and I can kind of hear it in your voice as well.

30:02.05
Keith
Yeah.

30:04.84
Keith
Okay. Yeah. It's like, I feel like buddy and I are in sync, but it seems like when I'm talking with you, you're, you wait a little bit before you answering and you're talking over me when I'm starting. So it's kind of, it's like a weird delay thing going on.

30:19.02
Jeremy
Yeah, i might have a lag in my computer.

30:19.48
Keith
That's okay. and We can work that out, though. no big deal. um So when I, you know, I had my Trump flag and my American flag up, which I always, always fly.

30:31.26
Keith
And as soon as Trump got elected, I took the Trump flag down. I don't want people driving by in the future knowing that, not that not that I'm MAGA or that i but you know that I supported Trump to get into office, but because all the things that go along with that.

30:46.89
Keith
And I'd rather, I'd rather people not know that when they're passing my house, oh, there's a person who's got lots of guns, lots of ammo, you know, all this other stuff. So it's just, so I won't, you know, I can put up my don't tread on me flags if I want, I might do that, you know, and not that I'm having a lot of drive by cause I have zero drive by, but you know, postman delivery drivers, whatever, all these other people I'd rather them not know, you know, all all that's going on behind the doors.

31:10.34
Jeremy
Yeah.

31:12.95
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah, there's a, I mean...

31:13.62
Buddy
yeah no need No need to broadcast that shit for sure.

31:17.70
Keith
Right.

31:18.35
Jeremy
Yeah, there's a lot of people out here that you know have um but you know the Trump flags and all those different things. um And ah that was sometime back, I'm not exactly sure what it was, but it was during the last administration.

31:33.98
Jeremy
where um they came in and you know, the don't tread on me flag, it's called the Gadsden flag. um It's very popular. It's actually the Navy's like official, one of their official logos, but they classified it as being a of racist ah extremist ah symbol.

31:55.18
Jeremy
And um when that happened,

31:57.02
Keith
I can understand extremists, but racist?

32:00.72
Jeremy
Yeah, it was during the DEI whole thing. And when that happened, especially with the military community here, you saw thousands of Gadsden flags all over the place.

32:07.21
Keith
Huh.

32:17.33
Jeremy
But yeah, it's it's kind of important to and There's nothing wrong with showing your patriotism and having your flag and all those things, but you know, kind of keep the vibe of what it is that you and your family are doing on that property. Kind of low key.

32:32.93
Jeremy
That's what I gather from that one. um And so going on,

32:35.82
Keith
Absolutely. yeah And I'll never take my American flag down. That's that's staying up.

32:40.02
Jeremy
No, no, absolutely not. um Now, from the military point of view, and um in ands but you know like this is even for hunters, we have this thing called a natural line of drift.

32:54.07
Jeremy
Like the the terrain and the land sort of flows naturally in a direction. In a patrol base, um when you're doing tactical operations, you kind of want to avoid those natural lines of drift because other people can sense and see those things, and they'll be coming along in that direction.

33:13.15
Jeremy
um So what that means on your property is if you're going to choose a bug out location, and this is almost specific for bug out locations, um is if it flows with the land and you're trying to you know avoid people and all of those things, maybe think about how where that land sits ah amongst the terrain.

33:39.74
Jeremy
You know, is it if if it happens to be like, say, near a national forest or a hiking trail that's popular or a park or something like that, um you might end up with unwanted you know individuals on your property that are just kind of following along.

33:56.34
Jeremy
um And if you've ever spent a lot of time in the woods, you can see a natural line of drift. It and looks like a natural game trail. It just kind of flows in that direction. So um

34:08.71
Buddy
which I think is very important, definitely important.

34:08.89
Jeremy
and the next one.

34:11.53
Keith
I like your ah thought your thought thought process there.

34:12.47
Jeremy
Yeah.

34:14.30
Keith
We have ah conservation land, not a national park or or a state park, but and conservation land up against. And that was hard that was one of our main points of actually picking this property was because we've got 8,000 acres of land out there of a forest that can't be built on touched.

34:31.60
Jeremy
Yeah.

34:31.75
Keith
You can't drive a car on it. You can't, you can't, can't ride a horse on it. um All you can do is really just enjoy it. And it's a and between now there's a road that runs through it way back in there, but about two miles off from our property line.

34:48.30
Keith
um And that road you can go through and you can enjoy it. it's a nice little little place you can sit in there and stuff. And a couple of trail heads that run through there, but but there was no trail heads that run towards our location. And probably because there's sort of a ravine that drops down about 800 feet and then back up again, another 800 feet back up to where our property line would be.

35:08.29
Keith
So it's massive, kind of a natural barrier.

35:11.14
Jeremy
Hmm.

35:12.31
Keith
So even though you you can go in there and hunt in it,

35:13.39
Jeremy
That would be nice.

35:15.48
Keith
We never see people on it. Now that doesn't mean we haven't. i Like I said, I've had two people, one person on my property. I had no idea who it was or where they came from. I told you guys about that. And then also had that one thing that one night where I saw, I could swear I saw somebody standing at the ah property line, which was right at the, at that area.

35:25.97
Jeremy
Yeah.

35:33.65
Keith
But you'd really have to try hard.

35:34.85
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

35:36.41
Keith
to get through. Those are not easy woods. There's no trails. There's no designated anything. And you'd have to climb down all kinds of stuff down to a boggy area, get through that, then back up. it's It's pretty difficult.

35:47.96
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

35:49.02
Buddy
But and another point on that natural lines of drift, that's, that's what I would, that's another indicator for me.

35:49.53
Jeremy
Yeah.

35:55.22
Buddy
um I live on the edge of a larger city and when the resources from the city get depleted, people will start to, you know, come out my way looking for stuff, you know, because they've depleted all the stuff.

36:10.55
Buddy
So the the natural line of drift would be in my direction. So definitely an indicator.

36:15.49
Keith
Oh, it's clicking now.

36:15.69
Jeremy
yeah

36:17.21
Keith
It's kind of like, almost like a herd mentality where I see.

36:20.27
Buddy
Yeah.

36:20.61
Jeremy
It is. It's exactly what it is.

36:22.13
Keith
I see. Okay.

36:23.32
Buddy
Yeah, kind of like the the zombie, you know, what was that damn movie?

36:23.40
Keith
Follow the leader kind of a thing.

36:24.10
Jeremy
Yeah. and

36:28.73
Keith
The walking dead.

36:29.61
Buddy
Walking Dead when people were leaving the city. Well, that was a natural line of drift because they were either running from something or running to something.

36:33.92
Keith
Ah, yeah.

36:36.40
Jeremy
Yep.

36:37.11
Buddy
Yeah.

36:37.52
Keith
That makes a lot of sense.

36:40.01
Jeremy
yeah Yeah. when When you get the chance, just kind of, when you're walking through your property, just kind of look at the ground and you can kind of tell how the land flows.

36:50.31
Jeremy
You know what i mean? Because it's not just trees and it's not just anything. You can actually kind of, if you if you take it from a... kind of like remove yourself from what you're looking from and look above kind of thing. And think about it that way.

37:04.89
Jeremy
There's a natural flow to the way that the land lies and that just your, your body kind of automatically starts to, drift that direction. Um, so, and that's why a lot of people like they have a hard time using a map and a compass because you're looking at a compass and it's telling you, you need to go this way, but your body will naturally flow into the direction of a natural natural line of drift.

37:31.12
Jeremy
And that's what's, what ends up, you know, messing up a lot of people when it comes to mapping comp compass.

37:35.65
Buddy
Yeah, especially especially nighttime land nav.

37:35.78
Keith
path of of of least resistance.

37:36.48
Jeremy
So yeah, it's a, yeah.

37:40.18
Buddy
I mean, it's it'll kill you at nighttime land nav.

37:42.26
Jeremy
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Cause mean, when you're maneuvering at night and your depth perception is gone, um it's, it's really, you that's when you're really depending on the compass, but sometimes it just doesn't feel natural because it's, you're naturally trying to avoid getting stuck in like 80 foot long briars, you know, you're, you're, you're naturally trying to avoid those things.

38:06.17
Jeremy
So, but

38:06.54
Keith
Good stuff.

38:09.06
Jeremy
The the last two ta last last two parts really um that have to do with you know at least the military side, um it does talk about avoiding the high ground when you're setting up a patrol base. And that has to do with um when you're on the high ground and potential enemy or people, you know onlookers are in the lower ground, you create a silhouette of yourself while you're above them.

38:35.56
Jeremy
It's a little bit easier to spot people. um But as far as like a bug out location, um what that really means is that if you're going to put like a dwelling there or something like that, you got to think about where you're going to put that thing so as not to draw attention from anybody who might be in the lower terrain.

38:54.67
Jeremy
um But um the last one is terrain that's relatively near a location, which the the the unit can move into for aerial resupply or medevac. So what does that mean to civilians and normal people?

39:10.07
Jeremy
That means you have to have access to get out to be able to, if you have to go to the hospital or emergency services can get in to your location if need be. You still have to have access.

39:24.38
Jeremy
um and But if you choose your bug out location in an extremely remote you know area, you have to take that into consideration that if you call 911, they may not get to you in time.

39:34.91
Jeremy
you know You have to really think about the routes on how to get out and get in. So those are those are considerations that you have to take.

39:43.08
Keith
Very good point. And I and I am Rhonda and I are actually in that type of situation. We're so far out that the the nearest ah emergency care where you not you know, like not like a hospital, an emergency care that's open know from morning till evening is 35 minutes away and the nearest hospital is 50 minutes away.

40:01.50
Keith
So I have a heart attack.

40:02.40
Jeremy
Yeah.

40:04.33
Keith
It's either care flight or death. It's really that simple.

40:07.25
Jeremy
Yeah.

40:07.85
Keith
you know

40:08.06
Buddy
Yeah.

40:08.44
Keith
Now, I know that there are different different levels of heart attacks.

40:09.29
Jeremy
Yeah.

40:11.16
Keith
you know you can be you can You can have a cardiac event and you can still drive yourself in some cases or have or be driven you know to a hospital. The best place to have a a heart attack is in a hospital you know if you if you're going to survive.

40:24.06
Keith
But the closer you are to one, the better.

40:25.30
Jeremy
yeah

40:25.62
Keith
You got to think about that you know when you're looking for land. and Now, I'm not saying we're the healthiest people in the world because I'm definitely not, but I i i chose i choose that option. I'm okay with that option.

40:37.13
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

40:39.21
Keith
It's just way it is.

40:40.24
Jeremy
Yeah.

40:40.32
Keith
that's you know I'd rather live here than next to a hospital.

40:44.26
Jeremy
I had a cardiac event and I Googled it. I didn't go to the hospital. So, yeah.

40:49.32
Keith
There you go. Yeah. yeah

40:52.67
Jeremy
Yeah. um But one of the one of the things that we didn't discuss is in and this is something that I didn't cover yet, but one of them is to be away from ah major lines ah of egress.

41:08.17
Jeremy
um And what that really translates to, or what we call high speed avenues of approach. And in in the military sense, it's, it's, you're trying to set yourself into a place where the enemy can't easily get to you.

41:21.84
Jeremy
But for civilians, and and and, and just trying to find a good bug out location, or your homestead or whatever it is that you're doing, You still want to have access to your location, but you you're ideally wanting to find yourself offset from a major road. like It's close, but it's hard to see. like If you were just driving by and you didn't like really think to look look, you may not actually see what it is that you're looking for.

41:49.61
Jeremy
So that's kind of how I i translate that one.

41:52.49
Keith
Very good point. Yeah. All really good points, man. I like it. So this is, um, this is you translating, uh, military tactics into civilian type tactics that would work for looking for a good property.

42:07.44
Keith
This is what the military would look for if they were looking for a place to, to hang low.

42:07.64
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

42:12.23
Buddy
Yeah. And I just had this conversation yesterday with the guy who, who was military and, and in the conversation, he you know, he's an instructor, I'm an instructor.

42:12.88
Jeremy
Yeah. And, you know, go ahead.

42:24.66
Buddy
And we were talking about, you know, acronyms and, and kind of not really dumbing it down, but yet trying to get the military jargon out for, you know, plain English for people and, and you know,

42:38.00
Buddy
The thing I was telling him was like, man, we we have, when it comes to stuff like prepping and survival and stuff, we kind of have a leg up on people because of the, we have the training and we have a, more than that, we have a mindset. They've taken us and trained us to think tactically.

42:56.66
Buddy
And that's what a lot of civilians don't know how to do it. Um, and we, we think it's common sense and some of it is, but you know, you have to have a tactical mindset and in, in the prepper world, I feel, um, that you have to start thinking tactically, you know, everything you do, everything, you know, okay.

43:17.63
Buddy
And it it goes as far back as, you know, having two or three different, um, purposes for that one thing in my bug out bag. Well, that's tactical, um, because you have to carry it and stuff. So,

43:29.91
Buddy
you know You're starting that tactical mindset. and And something I was taught a long, long time ago is you have to be able to think yourself out of a problem. yeah you know I've learned this in ah actually in the civilian world as a sales rep for a company.

43:45.18
Buddy
you know i would I was right out of college. I didn't know the product, and I was always asking questions. They always sent me back to the book. and I had a training book.

43:55.82
Buddy
Go look it up. Go look it up and think yourself through this, you know, take a breath, think through the problem and you can find a solution. So I'm hoping and we're getting to people out there to, to, you know, maybe, maybe not know, uh, you know, a lot of this stuff that, that we take for granted that we know that, you know, we're helping them out a little bit to, you know, maybe not give them all the answers or cause we don't have all the answers, but to think through the problem.

44:26.78
Keith
Yeah, and i i I am the civilian that that doesn't have the...

44:27.35
Jeremy
Yeah.

44:30.41
Keith
i I do think, tactically, far more than, let's say, Rhonda would, but far less than, let's say, you guys would, because you were military and I was not. um I only know from what I absorbed over the years and what I've practiced in in real time and you know just sort of watched and learned and absorbed.

44:47.16
Keith
ah And then I had my life... ah ah lessons as well. Like when we were looking for land and, you know part of my ah part of my, I'll give you my list in a, in a quick, very, very quick type of session.

44:58.53
Keith
And it is number one, and these aren't really in any kind of order, but number one was water access, ah drinking, agricultural ah sanitation, feeding your animals, livestock, that kind of thing.

45:10.17
Keith
um Also water catchment. We talked about that security and seclusion. We also talked about that as well. Hold on a second.

45:19.72
Keith
had to cough, uh, land for gardening. So you don't want really, really steep Hills. You want sort of flat or, a land that is sort of gradually, um, you know, going up and down for, for that. You also want to look for like drainage and, uh, and climate growing seasons is ah also important. So if you're thinking about moving to a different place, like you can go out to,

45:43.49
Keith
West Texas, you know, at way out there and you can get land for and but like dirt cheap, but that's what you're getting. You're getting dirt. That's it. You're getting dirt and scrub brush.

45:56.18
Buddy
There's a country song about that.

45:56.23
Keith
You're not getting trees and yeah there is.

45:57.74
Buddy
Yeah.

45:58.88
Keith
Yeah. But you're going have a very hard time growing in a place like that. You to think about those things. you're going to go way up in the mountains, let's say Colorado, have you been there? Or have you just watched on TV? Because I can tell you it's hard to grow stuff on the side of a cliff.

46:13.99
Keith
very difficult.

46:14.87
Jeremy
It is.

46:14.87
Keith
And the, the growing season was lot shorter too. So it can be for a while.

46:19.20
Jeremy
and it's hard as hell to breathe there.

46:22.61
Keith
if they had affected us for a couple days for sure.

46:23.00
Buddy
yeah

46:25.67
Keith
Um, Then you want to talk you want to look about energy. does your Is your place too crowded with trees? Do you have access to the sunlight? Those are important things as well because you want to get solar you know and things like that. Water access, obviously, for your well. that We talked about that already.

46:41.06
Keith
Another big one is natural resources like rock and timber. If you have a place and and soil and dirt as well. Clay is a good thing as well. you have If you have a lot of clay, you can build a pond.

46:52.23
Keith
you have a pond, you have water access now. So if you have timber, you have you know trees to cut down. No matter what trees they are, pine will be great. But it wouldn't matter what trees they are. You now have firewood and you have things to build with.

47:04.15
Keith
You have that resource.

47:05.47
Jeremy
and

47:05.93
Keith
Another big deal for us was also zoning. And we went the farthest stream you could possibly imagine. We have zero zoning where we are. Nobody can tell us what to do and at all. we We pretty much do whatever we wanted to.

47:19.59
Keith
The only reason why we had trouble with our septic in the beginning was because of getting the loan. And the loan people wanted to know. you know, get it rebuilt because it was too old and in the wrong place. That was, that was the only thing, but we have no, no zoning, no restrictions whatsoever.

47:30.71
Jeremy
a

47:33.05
Keith
We are. I like that. Some people don't, some people like a little place that's got a little more restrictions. it's It's up to you. Defendability is also very important. I'll go into our property on another podcast, but, um, and accessibility, which we just got done talking about with, but Jeremy. So those are some of the things that, you know, we had on our list.

47:53.22
Jeremy
Yeah.

47:53.23
Buddy
And I've got a few if we got time.

47:54.13
Jeremy
Yeah. And I think that's probably universal.

47:58.41
Keith
Yeah.

47:59.10
Jeremy
go ahead, buddy.

48:00.93
Buddy
All right. um You guys have touched on damn near all of this. And I think what people are going to find out, you know, is we have a few of you know, multi, we're going to have ah layers or multi-layered approaches to stuff, but yet we're going hit on the commonalities of a lot of it. So,

48:22.49
Buddy
My number one is strategic placement. You have to put it in a place that strategically is advantageous for defense. Your water sources, your resources, you know can you grow there? Like Keith said, are you able to forage if if need be?

48:41.82
Buddy
Is it, you know like Jeremy said, is it hidden enough? is it you know Is it hidden in in plain sight? Is it hidden in far enough away from that natural... line of drift or the high avenue of approach.

48:55.69
Buddy
But that's something you need to think about is that strategic placement. And what are you going to get? And bottom line, what are you going to get out of that location? Okay. Two is accessibility.

49:07.90
Buddy
You got to be able to get there and get out of there. So a lot of that on your, if you do a ah proper area study, you're going to first off, find all of these things out. That's just questions you're asking. when And believe it or not, when you,

49:21.02
Buddy
go out there and look for a bug out location or a home or whatever, you're doing an area study for the most part. um You can expand it out to get some other questions. And that's something, you know, you can buy a book for, or, you know, hell DM me. I'll, I'll run you through the process, but accessibility, you gotta be able to get there and get back easily.

49:41.95
Buddy
And then water sources, I think that's the the caveat to all of it. You know, you got to have water sources and resources out there. You got to be able to garden, forage. Is there game on the property? Is there a pond? Is there fish in the creeks or in the lakes or whatever?

49:58.42
Buddy
So... You know, those are those are common things to look for. Some honorable mentions there, security risk, you know, and it goes back to defendability. What are your security risks?

50:09.64
Buddy
You know, security your risk to be neighbors.

50:13.75
Buddy
And then the last thing is, and it's slept on by a lot of people, is community. You got to build a community around community. your place you're going to either bug out or or you're, you're going to homestead.

50:26.16
Buddy
yeah You need to have, you need to be able to rely on your neighbors when needed and they can rely on you when needed. And it it pays off dividends for security and and just survivability. So you got good neighbors and and you guys will go to bat for each other and, you know, go to war for each other. Then that's a game changer.

50:46.29
Buddy
Definitely.

50:47.00
Keith
Definitely. That's a big one.

50:50.52
Jeremy
Yeah, being able to ah set up a property with family. um and does have I can imagine it does have it its downs, but I think it would probably be more ups.

51:02.28
Jeremy
um Because I know that some of our adult kids have been waiting on us with this ah venture that we've been on. um Because they want to homestead with us.

51:12.33
Buddy
Man, if you get that big barn, you're going to be able to have the whole family in there.

51:12.67
Jeremy
And we all basically...

51:16.93
Jeremy
Oh, dude.

51:17.09
Buddy
That's that. Yeah.

51:18.69
Keith
That might suck.

51:19.30
Jeremy
They'll have to find their own.

51:21.27
Keith
Yeah.

51:22.04
Jeremy
it's Yeah, no.

51:23.31
Keith
The pictures of that place.

51:23.83
Jeremy
um Love them, but they're

51:24.39
Keith
and I know you're probably not getting it, but the pictures of that place that dude, that, that building is man. That's the, that is awesome. That thing is awesome.

51:33.41
Jeremy
Yes, I know.

51:35.01
Keith
I mean, it's what would are they like?

51:35.15
Jeremy
And they're going to.

51:36.13
Keith
Like 30 foot ceilings in there.

51:36.52
Jeremy
I'm.

51:39.09
Jeremy
um it's but It's taller than that.

51:39.24
Keith
It's crazy.

51:40.77
Jeremy
that The whole thing is 6,000 square feet.

51:44.48
Buddy
Damn.

51:44.54
Jeremy
It's 60 by 100. And um and but you know if this does work out and you know we're able to bring them on the property as well. No, they won't be living in my garage. and They will be living in whatever it is that they build off to the side of my garage. um Ain't nothing for free up here.

52:03.87
Jeremy
um But being able to do that with a family that has the same mindset, I think is, if you were able to do so, would be extremely advantageous.

52:14.75
Jeremy
Because, you know, this last property that we've been looking at, you know, checking out the neighborhood, it's a mixed bag. Um, but everybody looks like they kind of keep to themselves, but it's very rural, but also close, you know, like it's one of those key locations, like it's close enough where if you wanted to run to Walmart, it wouldn't be an issue, but it's offset enough to where if you're driving down the closest major road, you can't see it.

52:41.53
Jeremy
So that's kind of, it's kind of like what we've been trying to achieve, but we'll see.

52:46.85
Buddy
Hey, what would you rate it on your on your own criteria for what we're talking about today? What would you rate that that property?

52:53.31
Jeremy
Out of a 10, out of 10, I'd say between a 7.5 and say like an 8.5.

52:54.11
Buddy
Yeah, if 10 was ah the highest.

53:04.21
Buddy
Okay, that's good.

53:05.73
Jeremy
It's all it's, it's like a 95% solution. Um, maybe 90 because it, you know, again, the the house portion still has to be built out, but we have everything ready to go for that.

53:17.48
Keith
and you got adult children to help you build it.

53:18.38
Jeremy
Um,

53:21.23
Jeremy
Well, you see, that's the thing. um the The gentleman that's selling it already has the approved plans. He already has blueprints approved. All of the water or the septic has already been run. ah The water taps of our are already in existence. Everything's there. Just the builder's got to come in. And then he's like, oh, by the way, i have this I have this estimate that was approved at the county. Do you want that too? And I was like, oh, yeah, I definitely want that.

53:46.00
Jeremy
So it is a setup in this particular portion of the insanely huge building for a three bedroom house with two and a half baths and a foyer.

53:55.45
Keith
Well, it sounds to me like you're ready to, ah you can just go ahead and get it like a construction loan. You know, where you get, you get a loan from a bank where they put money in a, you know, in a separate account that and then the account pays off the contractors, not you, but the account does the special, I don't forget what they call that, but.

54:01.55
Jeremy
Well, we are

54:09.57
Jeremy
Yes. Yeah. So. we're we're we're We're trying several different avenues, but I did not realize this, that there's a lot of lending companies out there that as soon as you say it's a barn dominium, one, they're like, oh yeah, we don't do that.

54:26.79
Jeremy
And then there's other companies that are like, yeah, absolutely we do that, but we have to build it, you know, like from the ground up, not just an existing building. So because the building exists and all of these, we're trying several different avenues of of funding.

54:43.41
Jeremy
And in my mind, it makes sense to me to secure the land in the building because I really don't want to let it go. And then ah while we're you know paying that, um then as we are doing that, we fund the build.

54:59.43
Jeremy
You know i mean? And then take either the construction or the you know normal housing loan, whatever you want to call it, and then refi that into a complete VA loan. And um you know that's that's kind of what we're trying to do.

55:15.99
Jeremy
We just don't want to end up house poor, like because it's still ah quite a bit of money, you know but it the value for us is more than what the average lender is is seeing. They won't see the end product.

55:31.28
Jeremy
They only see what's directly in front of them. And also, there's no real comps. So comps are, if I say, hey, i want to buy 123 Smith Street. And so they can like, okay, cool. I can see 123 Smith Street.

55:45.70
Jeremy
Here's the average amount of money that you know other houses that are comparable in size and value have sold for. That's pretty easy. This is a very unique property and there's not many barn dominiums that exist out there in this general area sitting on 10 plus acres of land.

56:02.62
Jeremy
It's just, it's not a thing yet. They're extremely popular. um And there's a lot of different companies out there that will fund them even even with VA options, but it has to be from the ground up.

56:16.81
Jeremy
That's the, that's the biggest issue right now.

56:18.30
Keith
That's right. Yep.

56:20.32
Jeremy
So yeah.

56:20.68
Keith
Yep.

56:21.84
Jeremy
Yeah.

56:23.00
Keith
All right. Let me go ahead and click this thing. We'll figure


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