199 Less Lethal - Self Defense Without the Body Bags

Tonight, we’re continuing our discussion on current threats that people may be faced with all around the globe, but with a slight twist… Self-Defense, without the body bags.

Guys, look around. The world is on edge. Radical groups are turning peaceful protests into dangerous riots. Smash’n grab-style robberies and looting are taking place in broad daylight in places you’d least expect it. Law enforcement is stretched thin or worse, told to stand down and not engage. The rule of law in most major cities is teetering on a knife’s edge, literally and fearless emboldened criminals are terrorizing people for no reason except that they can.

You’ve seen the headlines. Hell, you may have been part of the headlines. Civil unrest isn’t a “what if” anymore. It’s a right now. It’s already happening. So many preppers throughout the years have been saying that they're pepping for civil and social unrest. Well good on ya… cuz it’s here. 

Global conflict levels have worsened in recent years. There’s an increase in political violence. Global influence and power is fragmenting, creating conditions for further conflict, according to intelligence.

High inflation, wealth inequality, assaults on democracy and civil liberties, open borders and illegal immigration, cartels, paid rioters, agent provocateurs, and clashing ideologies.

The world is at an inflection point… a turning point. And regardless of which way it goes, we need to be able to defend ourselves.

Y’all should know by now, and be used to the fact that we train with firearms, for self-defense. We Keep and Bear arms. 

But what about those who cant Keep and Bear arms…? Maybe it’s geography… maybe it’s a legality… maybe it’s just about being uncomfortable around firearms. OR…

That’s where Less Than Lethal comes into play. Tasers, pepper sprays, riot batons, non-lethal launchers. These aren’t toys, they’re tools. Tools that buy you time, space, and options when your world becomes threatening. Tools that stop the threat without landing you in court, or worse, a body bag.

Less Than Lethal has its place in self-defense, because not every defensive action needs to end in bloodshed.

That’s what were talking about tonight so, Let Get To It…

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Transcript

Preppers, survivalists, off-gridders, homesteaders, and the like. Welcome to Topps Bunker, a podcast for preppers. Email shtf at topsbunker.com. Website topsbunker.com. Don't forget to check the show notes on your podcast player for valuable links and extra info on this episode.

08:56.83
Keith
I want to thank you all for joining us. We've got a great show for you. Tonight, we're continuing our discussion on current threats that respond that people may be faced that people made me that people may be faced with all around the globe, but with a slight twist, self-defense without the body bags.

09:15.74
Keith
Guys, look around. The world is on edge. Radical groups are turning peaceful protests into dangerous riots. Smash-and-grab-style robberies and looting are taking place in broad daylight in places you'd least expect it.

09:29.72
Keith
Law enforcement is stretched thin or worse, told to stand down and not engage. The rule of law in most major cities is teetering on a knife's edge, literally.

09:40.47
Keith
And fearless and boldened criminals are terrorizing people for no reason except for that they can.

09:49.11
Keith
You've seen the headlines. Hell, you may have been part of the headlines. You've seen the headlines. Hell, you may have been part of the headlines. Civil unrest isn't a what-if anymore. It's right now. It's already happening.

10:02.61
Keith
So many preppers throughout the years have been saying that they are prepping for civil and social unrest. Well, good on you, because it's here. New York City, Chicago, Seattle, Portland, Spokane, Santa Ana, San Antonio, St. Louis, Raleigh, Indianapolis, Akron, Omaha, Milwaukee, Des Moines, Kansas City, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Oakland, Austin, Dallas, Hartford, San Francisco, Sacramento, Burlington, Minneapolis, Denver, Pasadena, Las Vegas, and the list goes on and on.

10:35.25
Keith
And it's not just here in the U.S. All over Europe, people are seeing it. Feeling it. Many are being terrorized by it. Ireland, England, the UK, Iran, Israel, Turkey, Greece, Kenya, Russia, Palestine, Yemen, Sudan, Syria, Myanmar, India, Pakistan, Thailand, and in the Americas, Colombia, Mexico, Brazil, Panama, Haiti, and Russia and Ukraine are still hard at war.

11:04.72
Keith
global conflict Global conflict levels have worsened in recent years. There's an increase in political violence. Global influence and power is fragmenting, creating conditions for further conflict, according to all the intelligence.

11:20.31
Keith
High inflation, wealth inequality, assaults on democracy and civil liberties, open borders and illegal immigration, cartels, paid rioters, agent provocateurs, and clashing ideologies.

11:32.98
Keith
The world is at an inflection point, a turning point, and regardless of which way it goes, we need to be able to defend ourselves. Now, y'all know by now and be used to the fact that we train with firearms for self-defense.

11:47.57
Keith
We keep and bear arms. but what But what about those who can't keep and bear arms? Maybe it's geography. Maybe it's legality. Maybe it's just about being uncomfortable around firearms. Or maybe there's no need for that much firepower to resolve that threat.

12:06.78
Keith
That's where less than lethal comes into play. Tasers, pepper sprays, riot batons, non-lethal launchers. These aren't toys. They're tools. Tools that buy you time, space, and option and options when your world becomes threatening.

12:24.14
Keith
Tools that stop the threat without landing you in court, or worse, a body bag. Tools that stop the threat without landing you in court, or worse, a body bag.

12:35.30
Keith
Less than lethal has its place in self-defense, because not every defensive action needs to end in bloodshed. That's what we're talking about tonight, so let's get to it.

13:02.15
Keith
My prepper brothers and sisters, in a world that's unraveling at the seams, where chaos moves faster than law and order can react, one truth rises above the noise. You are your own line of defense.

13:15.48
Keith
Tonight we talked about less than lethal, a middle ground between helplessness and deadly force. Not because we're afraid to go all in, but because being prepared means having options, real ones, practical ones, smart ones.

13:30.03
Keith
The fight isn't always going to be black and white. The threats aren't always going to be wearing masks. And sometimes, the best win is one where nobody ends up dead, including you.

13:41.69
Keith
but don't get twisted but don't get it twisted But don't get it twisted. Less than lethal doesn't mean less than serious. Every stun gun, every pepper round, every impact tool in your kit is a calculated response to an unpredictable threat environment.

13:57.89
Keith
And if you're not thinking ahead, you're already falling behind. Stay prepped. Stay happy. Thanks for listening. And good night.

14:10.73
Keith
I think that went well, actually.

14:20.63
Keith
Let's do one more of the last part, okay? Here we go.

00:00:00.00
Keith
man what's going on

00:00:02.58
Jeremy
Uh, I mean, and went to, ah go change the oil on the bike. Uh, the bike has been spitting, sitting for a little bit. Last time I had the oil worked on was we had a minor incident when we were last in El Paso and, um, uh, there was some damage to the bike, uh, when it was in the back of the ah RV, got that fixed.

00:00:23.28
Jeremy
And, uh, went to go change the oil today and I was removing the drain plug, noticed it was a little stiff coming out and, um, uh, went to go put everything back together and the, uh, drain plug was freely moving.

00:00:39.65
Jeremy
And I thought, well, that's interesting. I looked at the threads that didn't look stripped, ran down and got a new drain plug. went to go put that in and same thing. So the threads on the inside are stripped out and it was probably the dude that worked on it last.

00:00:56.17
Jeremy
So I either have one of two choices because I'm supposed to take off tomorrow on a long trip. um I can go get a helicoil kit and put a thread barrier in there or just take one of the other bikes.

00:01:10.83
Jeremy
But right now the bike is sitting with absolutely no oil in it. So...

00:01:17.22
Jeremy
For a couple of days, no, it's not terrible. I think it's more of the principle for me. It just angers me so badly.

00:01:24.76
Keith
That's the bike you want to take.

00:01:26.43
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. So, and that was the bike that Missy actually got me for our wedding wedding present.

00:01:32.06
Keith
are you guys going on?

00:01:33.65
Jeremy
I'm going down to Georgia for a couple days.

00:01:36.00
Keith
Oh yeah. I've seen that video. It's a nice bike.

00:01:38.89
Jeremy
Yeah. So...

00:01:40.39
Keith
Very nice. what What is it? You said a hell cat.

00:01:45.14
Jeremy
help

00:01:44.84
Keith
What'd you say? A hell something.

00:01:46.22
Jeremy
Helicoil. Helicoil.

00:01:47.42
Keith
Helicoil.

00:01:48.31
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:01:48.18
Keith
What is that?

00:01:49.17
Jeremy
so it's kind of, it goes along with your tap and die set, but what you do is is it has these sleeves and you go ahead and you tap ah the threads and you put the sleeve in there that corresponds with the size of your your plug.

00:02:05.81
Jeremy
And it creates essentially a sleeve between the original bolt and the the thread body. It's a metric bike. technical a lot of the parts on it are metric and you you tap into the threading, put the helicoil sleeve in there and then you put your original bolt in there and it has a crush washer.

00:02:26.88
Jeremy
So i could go get one or I could just suck it up and wait till I come back and

00:02:32.93
Keith
That sounds like a done deal. How how much is that?

00:02:35.96
Jeremy
it's like 20 bucks.

00:02:36.68
Buddy
Thank

00:02:37.56
Jeremy
um

00:02:37.48
Keith
Oh, shit, man. What the hell?

00:02:39.10
Jeremy
But my plan is is to be on the road at like 5 30 or 6 and it's already 6 p 6 p.m here so yeah i mean we still got some daylight left but i mean i have we have several bikes but this one's the most comfortable and it's really really good for you know long long distances so it's just uh it's just irritating really

00:02:49.55
Keith
Yeah.

00:03:07.95
Keith
Sounds like uptown problems.

00:03:10.04
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

00:03:12.45
Keith
Buddy, are you got you get some bad weather out there?

00:03:14.94
Buddy
Yeah, it's ah we got thunderstorm warnings and stuff. so <unk>ve already lost

00:03:19.05
Keith
That's what I thought, yeah.

00:03:20.60
Buddy
I've already lost power once or twice, actually. so

00:03:22.96
Keith
Damn.

00:03:24.58
Buddy
Yeah.

00:03:25.30
Keith
Huh.

00:03:26.80
Buddy
So we'll see how it goes.

00:03:27.10
Keith
I know it's heading in this direction. Should be raining here by about 8 or 9 tomorrow morning, and then it's going to rain for like five days straight.

00:03:33.22
Buddy
Yeah.

00:03:33.60
Keith
It has been ridiculously hot here. i don't know about where you are, but man, this heat wave thing getting bad.

00:03:38.20
Buddy
Oh, yeah.

00:03:39.19
Jeremy
dude it's so hot here it's not christian it's like it is terrible here um the humidity has been outrageous our our garden is suffering terribly um and we had a massive storm come through yesterday i i sent to you guys pictures and video of that but it uh

00:04:01.67
Jeremy
for lack of a better term, we got completely shit mixed for a little while. And we were keeping our eyeballs out for tornadoes because the temperatures dropped all of a sudden. That's usually one of the indicators that something's up.

00:04:15.88
Keith
Yeah. Yeah. heard the East coast is getting pretty hot. I, I think they said that the East coast was like hotter than like Texas was this week or something like that.

00:04:26.02
Jeremy
Well, with the humidity, yeah I think it was either yesterday or the day before the, with the heat index, it was like 111 here. Yeah, it was like retardo hot.

00:04:35.60
Keith
Hmm.

00:04:39.81
Jeremy
So.

00:04:40.29
Keith
do you guys think about the bunker busters that blew up some stuff?

00:04:45.91
Jeremy
They should have dropped more.

00:04:48.29
Keith
I agree with that.

00:04:49.45
Jeremy
They should have just.

00:04:50.01
Buddy
read right before we came on that they that they dropped six and they went straight down the like the ventilation shafts. And that's where they wanted them to go.

00:05:01.54
Buddy
So they said...

00:05:02.86
Jeremy
Yeah, those things are insanely accurate.

00:05:04.56
Keith
and They pulled a Skywalker move.

00:05:07.03
Buddy
Yeah.

00:05:07.08
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

00:05:09.08
Buddy
that That shows you the difference between what we can do.

00:05:09.27
Keith
That's what I think.

00:05:13.27
Buddy
We can pinpoint munitions and yeah, they cost a lot more, but you know, we can put it where we want it.

00:05:17.58
Keith
Oh, yeah.

00:05:22.26
Buddy
ah put You know, and like these other countries, these third world countries are want to be, you know, I will just say Iran.

00:05:27.42
Jeremy
yeah

00:05:30.16
Buddy
They, they, They're just lobbing shit. They're still in the scud missile type, you know, just throw it up in the air and cross your fingers. Let all I sort it out. So.

00:05:39.05
Jeremy
Yeah. Well, the bunker busters that we used were designed specifically for that those missiles of actually, well, you can call them a missile, but those munitions were designed specifically to ah penetrate down deep into Iran's nuclear program if need be.

00:05:56.67
Jeremy
And they've been in the works for like 15 years.

00:05:59.50
Buddy
And it looks like we needed it.

00:05:59.67
Jeremy
So.

00:05:59.62
Keith
Yeah, they're 30,000 pounds and 5,000 pounds of it is the explosive device.

00:06:03.66
Jeremy
hmm.

00:06:06.18
Keith
The rest is just so sheer like metal or steel or tungsten something. It's just all the rest of it is in the body to get it down into the ground.

00:06:15.87
Jeremy
Yeah, the penetration and of that thing is ridiculous.

00:06:18.42
Keith
It's incredible.

00:06:19.56
Jeremy
Yeah, the bunker, but now the bunker busters that we used on, this mission were, have been in development for a long time. We've used bunker busters before to penetrate into the mountainsides in Afghanistan.

00:06:31.44
Keith
But these are different though, right?

00:06:33.04
Jeremy
Yeah, these are much, much bigger, much bigger.

00:06:34.45
Keith
Yeah, I've seen the video, the one in in Afghanistan. That was pretty, that was pretty devastating, man.

00:06:39.68
Jeremy
Yeah. And we've dropped a couple of Moabs, which is, yeah.

00:06:42.97
Keith
Maybe that's what I saw.

00:06:44.63
Jeremy
And those are platform delivered by cargo aircraft. They're so large. ah We call it the mother of all bombs. Of course, Russia has some copycat thing that they call the father of all bombs.

00:06:55.80
Jeremy
It's like something.

00:06:55.81
Keith
I think it's called the czar or the, or the, right?

00:06:58.46
Jeremy
It's like MILF versus DILF.

00:06:58.19
Keith
isn't Yeah.

00:07:00.70
Jeremy
It's like, who cares what the name of it is?

00:07:02.23
Buddy
Thank you.

00:07:02.63
Keith
I mean, i heard it's way more powerful than our Moab. I mean, what does it matter?

00:07:08.50
Jeremy
I mean, yeah but this thing, the Moab is so large.

00:07:08.29
Keith
You bomb's a bomb. I mean.

00:07:12.79
Jeremy
They delivered, you know, that popular video, they were delivered that one by C-130. That's how large it is. So it's just, it comes off the back. It has a drogue parachute that pulls it out and it's laser guided.

00:07:25.18
Jeremy
And once it hits, man, it's like, who that some people thought that it was a nuclear bomb and it's,

00:07:29.48
Keith
Yeah.

00:07:32.91
Jeremy
it's it's It's slightly less powerful than what we dropped on, say, like, you know, Hiroshima and Nagasaki because it doesn't have the nuclear effect. But explosive-wise, it's like, it's ridiculous.

00:07:46.80
Jeremy
It's the most powerful ah non-nuclear ah explosive that we have.

00:07:46.47
Keith
Yeah.

00:07:53.34
Jeremy
So...

00:07:52.95
Keith
they you can It registers earthquakes on the other side of the planet when they hit when it hits.

00:07:56.96
Jeremy
Hmm. Yeah.

00:07:57.28
Keith
So it's pretty bad.

00:07:58.20
Jeremy
Yeah. Now we, and we do have some other stuff, uh, MLRS, which is quite effective, theyre but they're smaller and they shoot like several. And then we have the, uh, uh, the high Mars, which is a very large missile and, um, it's delivered from ah a truck born system, but, um, we're talking, you know, those things can take out, say ah grid score. And in the military, our grid square is a thousand meters by a thousand meters.

00:08:22.62
Jeremy
the Moab is, you know, ah if, if you absolutely 100% need a small population dead, that's the, that's the way to go.

00:08:35.29
Jeremy
So ah yeah, non-lethals.

00:08:44.57
Buddy
Hey, can you hear me?

00:08:45.64
Jeremy
Yeah. What happened there?

00:08:47.45
Buddy
don't know, that's weird.

00:08:47.77
Keith
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sitting here talking and and it's like, my i did I pulled the, pulled the Jeremy.

00:08:52.22
Jeremy
and to toon

00:08:53.46
Keith
but then My mute was on there.

00:08:56.91
Jeremy
You better put the voice in there. You've

00:09:01.23
Keith
I'll try. I'll try. We'll see. Yeah.

00:09:04.70
Jeremy
post-production wizardry.

00:09:07.49
Keith
Did you ah you guys hear about this? ah The new, i don't know if he's sworn in or how it's going to work, but the guy who just won the mayor of New York position.

00:09:17.03
Jeremy
Oh my gosh. Rest in peace, New York.

00:09:18.63
Buddy
It was, it was, ah he's only, he, he won the Democratic primary.

00:09:19.56
Keith
Oh, man.

00:09:25.42
Buddy
So he's, he's got to go through the whole thing.

00:09:26.96
Keith
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh.

00:09:29.58
Buddy
And, and

00:09:30.02
Keith
Okay, okay, okay. So this is going to happen in the midterms.

00:09:33.03
Buddy
yeah. And so Eric Adams, the current mayor, he left the Democratic party to go independent.

00:09:33.82
Keith
Okay.

00:09:39.84
Buddy
So that's allowed this guy to come in. Cuomo was on the,

00:09:42.49
Keith
This guy is bad.

00:09:44.30
Buddy
Oh, dude, he's going to totally fuck up New York, man. I don't really think...

00:09:48.94
Keith
in a big way.

00:09:50.43
Buddy
Here's what you got going on now. and And this is just my take on it. I'll give you my two cents here. You have the... You're going to have a Muslim, white, privileged class ah that... Educational...

00:10:10.43
Buddy
educational you know, people, the educated, you know, the so-called educated people, the the professors at Columbia, NYU, you know, all the academics, is that's the word I was looking for.

00:10:20.92
Keith
You talk about the academics.

00:10:24.51
Buddy
you're going to have the academics and the Muslim people up against you got the black community in New York, the Hispanic community in New York, because they're, they're all hard workers.

00:10:38.84
Buddy
They want, uh, they, they want safer neighborhoods and Eric Adams, believe it or not, has been doing a pretty decent job in that, in those areas. So this guy has wanted to defund the police.

00:10:50.45
Buddy
He's wanting to do all these things, you know, and he's out there offering and he's going to, yeah.

00:10:53.80
Keith
He wants to defund the New York Police Department $1 billion. dollars

00:10:59.90
Buddy
Yeah.

00:11:00.88
Keith
It's going to leave them completely stripped.

00:11:02.49
Buddy
put, he's going to go in and, and, have rent control and he's going to start taking up, uh, rent rental property. He's going to, he's going to, this is something he said earlier.

00:11:13.71
Buddy
He wants to seize rental properties.

00:11:14.59
Keith
Oh, for free, like free, like for free apartments or something like that.

00:11:18.62
Buddy
He's going to have rent stabilization. He'll start out rent stabilization. He's going to tax the shit out of all the industry there, which you know, what's going to happen. They're going to, people are going to roll the hell out of there.

00:11:29.57
Buddy
There's all the company,

00:11:30.76
Keith
They're going to they're goingnna sell to the first person who comes along. these These could be Chinese companies. They could be any kind of company. They're going to sell their properties off like crazy.

00:11:39.43
Buddy
Yeah, and so here's it's going to cause this huge vacuum to where all the Muslim people, this happened actually in Bosnia after the war in 95 through what, 99, 2000, whatever.

00:11:39.58
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:11:53.82
Buddy
So they flood, ah all this money came from the Muslim community into Bosnia, and they flooded all this money and all these socialists programs in there to where it just caused a vacuum because all the, the, the Christians and Orthodox left.

00:12:14.08
Buddy
I mean, so there's cause of the vacuum and then bam, they own Bosnia now. Um, It happens all over Europe. I mean, it's it's happening. you know We were talking about Northern Ireland that last episode, and I started diving into it. Holy shit.

00:12:30.20
Buddy
There's some crazy shit going on there. And I think we maybe need to get somebody from that region on the show if they want to come on and talk.

00:12:39.14
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:12:39.32
Buddy
Because the stuff that you're not seeing... because all the the British, you know, BBC, ah there are some Irish channels talking about it, some Australian channels talking about it, but mostly everything coming out of Europe and is all like, you know, everything that's going on is the fault of the, and they're trying to demonize the, you know, the white Christians or the white Catholics.

00:13:07.50
Buddy
And, you know, it's crazy what's going on over there. They're, they're,

00:13:11.14
Keith
Jeremy, that video that you sent for, was it Instagram or whatever it was earlier today about Europe? that That was some serious. Did you see that one dude just like like so like chest slammed that lady down the stairs?

00:13:24.06
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. And what do you think is going to happen in York? Actually, in New York, it's already happening.

00:13:28.48
Keith
He didn't even care, man. He just walked up to some lady on the on the stairs of the subway and just slammed her all the way down the stairs.

00:13:34.87
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:13:34.81
Keith
Could have killed her.

00:13:35.24
Jeremy
i have I have a cousin. well I've been in many cousins in New York, but one of them is NYPD, and they're not allowed to chase. If there's in certain parts of the city, um they're not allowed to chase.

00:13:46.19
Jeremy
If a crime is committed and it's not,

00:13:46.90
Keith
but For their own safety or but or for political reasons?

00:13:50.89
Jeremy
yes and yes. So it's, um if they are within and immediacy, like they saw it, you know, or something's happening and then they're they're close enough, ah they can try to pursue.

00:13:52.40
Keith
Huh.

00:14:03.62
Jeremy
But if they, I forget the range, what he said, but most of the time they tell them not to pursue. but I'll just tell you this.

00:14:09.83
Keith
Wow.

00:14:11.30
Jeremy
What's about to happen in New York, if especially if this dude wins, and it's already been happening, is what you're seeing in Europe.

00:14:17.94
Keith
Yeah, it's bad, man.

00:14:19.45
Jeremy
It's going to be completely taken over.

00:14:20.38
Keith
And then I think you get a big C. I know New Yorkers. I grew up in that area and I'm telling you, there's going to be vigilante people that are going to take to the streets and it's going to be all out warfare between different groups, man. That's going bad.

00:14:33.75
Jeremy
Yeah, and you also have to think, you know, after 9-11, there was a lot of that. And then it was, of course, condemned because people are like, you know, they came up with the phrase Islamophobist and all this other stuff.

00:14:38.98
Keith
Mm hmm.

00:14:46.43
Jeremy
Well, I hate to say it, and i don't I don't want to sound rude because I'm sure there's people out here, you know, who have their beliefs and whatever. But if you if you look at the entirety of the world and where all of these particular migrants are moving to,

00:15:02.54
Jeremy
They try to recreate write what they had, but it always sucks. and And the thing is, is like um every country that they go to, um they end up completely screwing it over.

00:15:20.85
Buddy
and i'll sum it I'll sum it up really quick.

00:15:20.88
Jeremy
And

00:15:23.47
Buddy
They're bringing their third world bullshit wherever they go.

00:15:26.72
Jeremy
that's a good way of putting it. Yeah.

00:15:28.38
Buddy
i saw it when I lived in New York right after 9-11.

00:15:28.49
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:15:30.66
Buddy
We moved up there for a job and lived there for a long time. and that's I kept saying, I'm in another third world country. There's no difference between Iraq and in this place as far as, you know, safety. um Yeah. It's a little cleaner. but Barely.

00:15:50.39
Buddy
It's a little more stable, barely, but I mean, shit, it's, it, these people bring their third world bullshit to you, not the other way around.

00:15:50.77
Jeremy
barely

00:16:00.50
Buddy
They don't assimilate. They stay in their little, ah you know, neighborhoods or boroughs or whatever want call it. And how New York city now has a Muslim patrol,

00:16:13.30
Jeremy
Mm-hmm. They have whole Muslim areas.

00:16:14.26
Buddy
And they're they um ah all Muslim areas that are Muslim ah patrols. And i mean, and to be fair, there was the acidic, the acidic Jews, the Jewish communities had their own stuff too, but it was more protecting the Jews from other people.

00:16:27.21
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:16:30.97
Buddy
ah Not necessarily, you know, I guess they're doing the same thing, but you know, they're, they're,

00:16:36.67
Keith
Well, the united states is the the United States has been built on this, though. I mean, if you look back, you know, the the Italians came in to the the Northeast and they basically had their culture and they they it became what is now known as New York and New Jersey. mean, it's just you can look anywhere you really want.

00:16:55.07
Keith
The Amish come in to certain areas, they take over. um And I don't want to say take over, but they live. They live their lives and they have their... But the thing is, there their cultures are not really that foreign to us.

00:17:10.45
Keith
This culture is very foreign to us. I think this culture that you're talking about where these people that are coming in are is probably foreign to a lot of already established Muslims here in the United States. It's probably foreign to them.

00:17:23.83
Buddy
Oh, yeah. And what why are they leaving where they're coming from? It's because it's shit where they would have been. And, you know, unfortunately, a Jeremy probably say the same thing that, ah you know, we've seen probably not the best places in the world.

00:17:36.54
Buddy
You know, now that I'm out of the military, I'm traveling a little bit. and not seeing the the crap, you you know, areas out there. So, and it's been pretty eye opening to me and stuff, but they're, they're, they're leaving these third world countries that are in poverty and war torn and stuff, but they're not coming over here and assimilate. And I guess that's my biggest bitch is, you know, and I say they're bringing their third world bullshit over here. Yeah. They're doing the same shit they did over there here.

00:18:02.67
Buddy
You know, you can't just go out and rape a a little girl or a boy. You know, we have certain standards here. You might not actually agree with them, but you have to buy by our rules and our laws.

00:18:15.19
Buddy
You know, hell, take that shit to Mexico. You know, on a recent trip I took to Mexico, you know, I can go down there and and burn the Mexican flag or, you know, you know, you get caught stealing down there.

00:18:23.75
Keith
Oh, hell no.

00:18:25.04
Jeremy
Mm-mm.

00:18:25.75
Keith
ah You'd probably be killed.

00:18:27.48
Buddy
oh yeah, because they don't play the shit. You can do the same thing in Canada. You know, I mean, well, let's back off from Canada a little bit. But, you know, it's it's just I don't know, man. Yeah. You come here wanting, you know, life, liberty, and freedom in the pursuit of happiness, you know, there's a way to get it and not by pushing.

00:18:48.12
Keith
Yeah. Keep your mouth shut. Say thank you. and do And work.

00:18:52.31
Buddy
Yeah.

00:18:51.97
Keith
Work hard.

00:18:52.79
Buddy
And don't, it's not, it's not pushing white women downstairs or raping white women or, you know, or.

00:18:52.86
Keith
Make it happen.

00:19:01.06
Jeremy
And he's gone.

00:19:01.18
Keith
Well, ah he, he hit his mute, but the the thing is, that's what I'm saying. If you, if, if, if New Yorkers real New Yorkers see that shit happening, it's going to be vigilante all over again. It's going bad.

00:19:14.07
Buddy
Yeah, I think it's it's a matter of time.

00:19:14.15
Jeremy
i don't know. i mean, i was just up in New York recently. And, um you know, it's it's interesting when you when you go to New York and you see the different boroughs and then you travel like like travel out to Long Island where my most of my family lives.

00:19:30.38
Jeremy
um they they are so absorbed into their own little universes.

00:19:38.46
Keith
Yes, they are.

00:19:39.06
Jeremy
that I really don't think that a lot of them actually like fully understand what is happening. And because of the news sources they watch and they're mostly not a hundred percent, mostly liberal Dems.

00:19:51.87
Jeremy
um They believe the BS that is put out by, you know, corporate media and the own.

00:19:58.69
Keith
Although have to see it firsthand when they see firsthand happening in front of them or to them, it's going to be a whole different story.

00:20:00.14
Jeremy
Yeah. And,

00:20:04.99
Jeremy
I think a lot of them, I mean, and and I could be wrong, but I think for a lot of them, um they have been forced into tolerance exactly like Europe and they toe the line, they keep their nose down and, you know, they, they mind their own business. And, you know, if anybody has anything different to say about it, then you get, of course, you get slammed, you know, or accosted or whatever.

00:20:30.14
Jeremy
But there are crimes that are happening in New York that some of these men think that they can do to boys and girls and women. Kind of like that scene where that dude just straight up pushed that chick down the stairs in the subway.

00:20:43.64
Jeremy
That kind of stuff.

00:20:43.79
Buddy
There's no accountability, man. I mean, shit, fuck.

00:20:45.20
Jeremy
No.

00:20:46.40
Buddy
They can do whatever they want because there's no accountability at all.

00:20:46.94
Jeremy
And, yeah. And this guy that won the the primary, I mean, if he wins, if he becomes the mayor, I'm telling you, New York is RIP.

00:20:57.43
Keith
It's good.

00:20:58.61
Jeremy
It's gone. and is And he is a pro, and he has outspokenly said, and he even has a rap album.

00:21:00.08
Buddy
It'll be...

00:21:06.24
Jeremy
The dude talked about blood in the streets and supporting Hamas.

00:21:06.57
Keith
Yeah, he used to he used to be a rapper. Yeah.

00:21:11.92
Buddy
his His dad and mom both teach at Columbia, I think.

00:21:12.02
Jeremy
I mean...

00:21:16.31
Buddy
are And he has an aunt that's...

00:21:17.78
Keith
Oh, I heard something like that.

00:21:19.58
Buddy
And they're they're they're all socialists dyed in the wool.

00:21:19.18
Keith
Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:23.88
Buddy
I think they're Indian. come well the They're from... um They're Indian at from a bloodline, but they grew up in like the Congo or somewhere.

00:21:37.23
Buddy
I don't know if it the Congo or not.

00:21:38.83
Jeremy
You mean dot, not feather, right?

00:21:40.69
Buddy
Yes,

00:21:41.54
Jeremy
Okay.

00:21:42.29
Buddy
So yeah, dot, not feather. And so they're, you know, he's, he's a, to they're, they're all socialists, you know, and, and the social and utopia, I mean, you just listen to, you know, when we were younger, the socialists, they, they had a socialist agenda.

00:21:44.82
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:22:00.55
Buddy
They didn't talk about it. They slip it in, you know, underneath the, you know, or they just straight up lie to you.

00:22:02.05
Jeremy
yeah

00:22:07.05
Buddy
Now they're just coming out and telling you exactly what they're going to do. And, you know,

00:22:12.42
Jeremy
At one point in time, one of my aunts was, yeah, long time ago, one of my aunts was the Dean of Medical Students at Columbia.

00:22:13.58
Buddy
Don't be surprised when it happens. Yeah.

00:22:20.52
Jeremy
And she, to the day she died, was a dyed-in-the-wool socialist, super lib, you know, hardcore um in that manner.

00:22:33.18
Jeremy
um And I can remember when I was a kid being in the World Trade Center, Her husband used to work there. and You know, it's weird remembering all of that nonsense that she spewed while we were standing in the World Trade Center, you know, or even the Empire State Building and, you know, seeing the skyline the way it used to look.

00:22:57.89
Jeremy
And I would go see it again. And I think about some of the BS that she used to spew and the buildings are gone. And I'm like, what the world? I mean, it's so it's so weird to see it now as an adult after the fact that And and to September 11th, golly, that was, i mean, for us, it feels like yesterday.

00:23:17.89
Jeremy
But in a reality, I mean, it's 2025.

00:23:21.47
Keith
That's a long time ago, man.

00:23:22.40
Jeremy
It was a long time ago. i was i was in Korea when it happened. And when it happened and I got back to the States and I knew we were going to Iraq and all of my former unit was already in Afghanistan.

00:23:35.83
Jeremy
I was out for blood. And i mean, again, we, I, I always say you can't fight an ideology. It's, it's, it's almost impossible to, to fight ideology.

00:23:47.23
Jeremy
That's why it's impossible to kill a story. Um, the stories grow and they change and they morph and that's what, you know, that story is passed down. And as long as that story is passed down, you cannot kill it. It's the same thing with ideology within religion.

00:24:01.10
Jeremy
yeah.

00:24:02.56
Keith
Well, I, for one, am very proud of our president and i am proud of our military for, i mean, they brought in everybody. They brought in everybody, including space command and space force.

00:24:12.61
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:24:12.20
Keith
They brought in everybody to do this mission and it went off flawlessly.

00:24:12.75
Jeremy
Yeah. yeah

00:24:15.71
Keith
Nobody was killed or injured. We didn't lose any, uh, any of our hardware, I just, um I'm proud. It's a proud moment for me. They took out they took out something that should have been taken out a long time ago. There's a lot of you know ah liberals or Democrats says say that say that the president should have went to Congress and asked for permission and this and that.

00:24:34.45
Keith
But you know if you look back, there's actual video and and ah audio of Hillary Clinton saying, when I become president, I am going to eliminate Trump.

00:24:44.69
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:24:44.72
Keith
the Iranian ah nuclear programs, nuclear weapons programs.

00:24:48.81
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:24:48.44
Keith
She said, it's it's a it's ah it's terrible to say that, but it has to be done and I'm going to do it. Everybody has wanted this to happen. Trump's the only one who actually pulled it off.

00:24:58.29
Buddy
and And you know what's spectacular about this whole thing?

00:24:58.46
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:25:01.31
Buddy
They've been saying, oh, we don't have, you know, we're not enriching uranium for nuclear weapons.

00:25:07.84
Jeremy
Horseshit.

00:25:07.86
Buddy
Now they've come out and admitted it they were and that they're going to do it again.

00:25:12.58
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:25:13.22
Buddy
They've... Yes.

00:25:13.17
Keith
From what I understand, and I'm not an expert, from what I understand, it's 20% purity is to is for nuclear power. And then 70, 80, 90% is what you need for nuclear weapons.

00:25:26.74
Buddy
Yes.

00:25:26.99
Jeremy
2% to 5%. 2% to enrichment is for nuclear power.

00:25:26.70
Keith
They were already already up there.

00:25:32.43
Keith
They said 20 on the ah thing, but but but even even still, they were already upwards of 70, 80%.

00:25:33.72
Jeremy
Is it 20%? Yeah.

00:25:39.50
Jeremy
Yeah. yeah

00:25:40.90
Keith
Some said that they were even hit like 90 something and they said it was just an accident. It didn't really, it was just an accident in the, in the equipment. It didn't register. Right.

00:25:50.57
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:25:51.41
Keith
I think they were probably very, very close.

00:25:53.77
Jeremy
I think they already had them.

00:25:55.23
Buddy
yeah the

00:25:55.38
Jeremy
I think they already had them, and I think they had multiples of them, and I think that they may have been somewhat crude, or they may have been old systems from the Soviet Union and North Korea, um or maybe even China, but I think that they had them. I think they had several of them, and I think that they probably needed to find a vehicle to get them closer to the States.

00:26:18.70
Jeremy
um I go back to the book one second after the, the the missile or the, the, the weapon that was, you know, detonated over the United States in that book was delivered from a container ship in the, in the ocean.

00:26:32.48
Jeremy
And there are, there's multiple, multiple reports of container ships that are suspicious leaving from the Middle East heading towards the United States and they're dirty bombs, but,

00:26:32.55
Buddy
Yeah, I think you're right. I keep hearing that.

00:26:44.86
Keith
So we're talking like dirty bombs.

00:26:46.79
Buddy
And just parked out there.

00:26:48.36
Jeremy
If you think about it, yeah.

00:26:49.33
Buddy
um They're just parked out there. ah on the sea, you can, you can actually do a search and it's, it's kind of like a flight radar, but it's for ships.

00:27:00.43
Buddy
So you can go look at the ships cause i all have to have a beacon on them and just look at our coast of ships that are, you know, out in international waters or, you know, right on the edge, right there, just hanging out, especially by our ports, just hanging out there.

00:27:00.50
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:27:10.14
Jeremy
It's ridiculous.

00:27:13.27
Jeremy
They look like ants.

00:27:14.89
Buddy
Yeah. It's crazy, but it it'll open your eyes up for sure.

00:27:15.76
Jeremy
Yep.

00:27:17.95
Buddy
but and And something I heard about recently the, The thing that, and this is coming from Iranian our Israeli sources, they were close to the enrichment part.

00:27:31.69
Buddy
They couldn't get the centrifuge right. And they were trying to bring in, which they had Russians there. And we had to give Russia heads up before we did it to get them out of there. The Russian scientist was helping them out and some Pakistanis.

00:27:44.42
Jeremy
Yeah. Well, they said that Russia said they're not leaving there.

00:27:45.76
Buddy
So, yeah. Yeah.

00:27:48.60
Jeremy
They're absolutely not going to leave there. And I believe that.

00:27:50.55
Buddy
Well, there's there's hundreds and thousands of Russians and in Israel, too, that are citizens of, are I guess they, you know, once you're there, you get your citizenship, you have to spend time in the IDF.

00:27:56.40
Jeremy
Hmm.

00:28:05.88
Jeremy
Hmm.

00:28:05.88
Buddy
So they're there, too. So it's the whole region's, you know, flooded with Russians.

00:28:11.04
Keith
Is that right? Is that right? That's a law?

00:28:13.16
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:28:13.85
Buddy
Yeah, to spend...

00:28:14.45
Jeremy
Yep. Same thing in Korea and a lot of conscription countries are like that.

00:28:14.53
Keith
Wow.

00:28:17.96
Buddy
I don't know if it's 18 months or two years, but and then you have to stay in the reserves until a certain age.

00:28:23.56
Keith
Interesting.

00:28:24.10
Jeremy
Yep.

00:28:26.15
Keith
Well, what do you guys want to, uh, you want, we're going to talk about less than lethal, which is, I guess, a really, um, an important topic at this point in time, because I think that people should be thinking about their self-defense.

00:28:37.11
Keith
but we're talking about less than lethal self-defense and I don't know what it, don't know what's wrong with my brain, but I thought we've already done an episode on it, but I look, went back and looked and I can't find anything on it.

00:28:47.90
Jeremy
ah we've We've brushed on it during home defense um and that kind of thing.

00:28:47.95
Keith
So,

00:28:52.35
Keith
okay. Maybe that's what I was thinking.

00:28:55.50
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:28:56.13
Keith
Um, and I don't think we talked to go ahead.

00:28:57.19
Buddy
Yeah, we we didn't dive into it too hard. so And this was something that was asked for us to do by some listeners.

00:29:06.46
Keith
There are a lot of people that are in this world who live in places that can't have firearms or the lethal weapons. There are also people that are uncomfortable with lethal weapons, whether it is because you're not trained on them or they or they are not comfortable with the possibility of taking somebody's life and stopping somebody from hurting them.

00:29:29.30
Keith
which makes perfectly, so perfectly good sense. I don't have a problem with that. Um, I, for, for years when I was younger for years, did not buy firearms because I knew that I wasn't ready. I knew that I was at a stage in my life where I was pissed off at everybody and I would probably have shot somebody.

00:29:46.61
Keith
So there, I mean, not everybody should have lethal weapons. Um, so less than, less than lethal is an an option. There's a really great options out there. We're going to be talking about that tonight.

00:29:57.56
Keith
Um, who wants to start with, uh, with their, look for me, it's pretty simple. I mean, I like, I like pepper spray. I prefer bear spray. If you can find it. Um, that's what I like is less, less than lethal.

00:30:10.72
Keith
Um, those, the, some things that you're going be talking about, the platforms you guys going be talking about. I can't afford, I can't afford them. I just, I'd rather just carry a gun, but, um, for, for me, yeah.

00:30:23.47
Keith
I mean, for me, pepper spray is a pretty good one. I always carry a knife and um I know exactly where it's at. It's my go-to weapon. Anytime I know exactly. ah yeah I'll be walking outside it in the middle of the night, you know, to maybe go check the shop or close the shop or something like that.

00:30:37.64
Keith
And I'll hear something, you know, like, oh, yeah, something's out in the woods, you know, and I reached down. I'm like, oh, shit, I got my shorts on. I'm not carrying my knife out. You know, it's like, but that's my go-to.

00:30:48.13
Keith
I have it right. I know exactly where it's at, you know. So anyway, that's that's me. What do you guys want to talk about?

00:30:56.51
Jeremy
Well, there's a whole bunch of different options. And one of the ones that I've talked about before, um of course, and as if we're going to talk about brands, is the Byrna. B-Y-R-N-A, Byrna.com.

00:31:10.21
Jeremy
um They have a multitude of options, and the majority of what they sell are pistols. Now these pistols, they shoot, you you have to imagine it basically, it looks like a paintball, excuse me, a paintball.

00:31:26.14
Jeremy
And um they have a magazine, they have the, you load these rounds into these magazines, just like a pistol. It's shaped, feels, and is the size of a normal pistol.

00:31:37.35
Jeremy
ah They call it a launcher. um The difference being is that they also come with CO2 cartridges. And the premise behind it is that they they launch this less than lethal you know projectile, and they have several different kinds.

00:31:55.11
Jeremy
um They do have a ah essentially what is high-grade pepper spray round. They have a kinetic round. um They have a whole bunch of of different...

00:32:09.24
Jeremy
um ah you know, types of ammunition that um that you can use, but it's not just pistols. ah They do have rifles as well. They do have shotgun rounds.

00:32:23.71
Jeremy
And, you know, we've talked about, you know, home defense inside the house. um They have 12-gauge shotgun rounds. Now, when you look at the makeup of a thing, um i you'd have to imagine a a small, you know, like the old school, like you see a bomb, right?

00:32:43.81
Jeremy
And you've if you've ever seen the inside of a slug round and a shotgun, it looks a lot like that, but it almost looks on the inside like a polymer. um And we've used something similar in the military.

00:32:55.58
Jeremy
And um we've even for our grenade launchers, we have rubber rounds and we have a polymer dart round, which I'm going to just tell you this. Some of the less than lethal rounds, you'd wish you were dead.

00:33:10.02
Jeremy
That's how bad it would suck to get hit with one of the these things, especially at close range. But the the great thing about carrying a Berna and some other different stuff is it gives you the opportunity to create the distance between you and an attacker or you and a group.

00:33:27.48
Jeremy
And especially if you're using the you know the the pepper spray ones, which um from what I understand about the particular ones that they have the pepper um They're just below CS, which we, in the military, we use CS and it's the capsaicium molecule concentration that they have.

00:33:52.22
Jeremy
um for that And it just burns. It just burns and burns and burns and burns and burns. um But the other thing is, is that on some of these, they actually have a trace marker, like like a a chemical that comes out.

00:34:09.68
Jeremy
And it actually stains the individual that gets with this thing. Yeah.

00:34:17.38
Keith
I like that. That's a that's a cool option.

00:34:19.98
Jeremy
yeah

00:34:19.84
Keith
So they can be tracked or identified later.

00:34:22.86
Jeremy
Yeah, like it's usually with blacklight. And these rounds are 68 caliber. you know And you think about it, you're like, oh, whatever. I'm telling you right now, you get hit by 68 caliber anything at a high velocity, it's probably really going to suck.

00:34:39.46
Jeremy
Like super duper bad.

00:34:41.37
Keith
Yeah, no kidding.

00:34:42.72
Jeremy
Yeah, especially with these...

00:34:43.33
Keith
What is that? What is the ah feet per second on the on those projectiles?

00:34:47.26
Jeremy
I'll get that to you here in a moment. um

00:34:49.22
Keith
okay

00:34:50.22
Jeremy
But, you know, and some of these are kinetic, which means they're solid. They may not be lead. They may not be a hollow point, but you get hit by one of these stupid things and it's, it's really gonna fricking hurt. I mean, these things are, these things are big.

00:35:08.19
Jeremy
You know what i mean?

00:35:08.40
Keith
Knock your wind out, maybe break a rib, that kind of thing.

00:35:08.86
Jeremy
They're, Maybe, yeah. I mean, ah i just, I mean, i cannot imagine. I've been hit by paintballs, and I have been hit by somebody who thought that they would be funny, and they had had their paintballs in a freezer.

00:35:25.93
Jeremy
going to tell you, it is awful to get hit by one of these things, it's and that's illegal.

00:35:27.95
Keith
Oh, that ain't right.

00:35:31.12
Jeremy
But, um you know, there're these things are, I would say, probably the size of paintballs. if not slightly larger than ah a you know an actual paintball.

00:35:47.02
Jeremy
So, um

00:35:49.24
Buddy
They're about 400 feet per second for for most of them.

00:35:51.47
Jeremy
okay, yeah, there you go. Yeah, so this Burna CL compact launcher, um the energy gen density says 41.9 joule.

00:36:02.21
Jeremy
inch, I think that is, and muzzle velocity of 400 FPS. There's a couple of them that have just slightly less FPS than that, um but it claims 15 shots per CO2.

00:36:16.34
Jeremy
I am suspicious of that, but that's what it's claiming with an effective range of 60 feet. you've got multiple different variants of that.

00:36:28.21
Jeremy
ah different different variants of that And then you get into the less than lethal rifles, which I got to tell you, super cool. um They have the Berna TCR compact model. It's a tactical compact rifle. And then they have the Berna Mission 4, which looks, it's basically an M4 or an AR-15.

00:36:47.61
Jeremy
um Same kind of platform. um And that one 325 feet per second, magazine capacity It says 19 plus 19.

00:37:01.47
Jeremy
Shot capacity per CO2 for that one is 55. The CO2 cartridge for this one is an 88 gram cartridge, which means it's much larger.

00:37:11.32
Keith
Yeah, that's huge.

00:37:12.63
Jeremy
Yeah, and then for the effective range range of the one that looks like an M4 or an AR-15 is 100 feet. So that's a lot of distance that you can create, but this thing is it's a full-size rifle.

00:37:25.75
Jeremy
Um, and then the other one is basically a pistol, uh, rifle. Um, effective range for that one is kind of like the regular pistols at 60 feet, but it looks the way it looks like it's set up is you could put this thing in a backpack, have a magazine in it. There's a magazine that attaches to the buttstock. It's got a pistol grip, you know, standard kind of, um, uh, uh, pistol rifle adapting kit.

00:37:50.97
Jeremy
And that's what it, that's basically the same size as it.

00:37:53.21
Keith
is that Is that what they're using on the crowd control on some of these riots?

00:37:57.30
Jeremy
um they're using they're They're using some of that.

00:37:57.39
Keith
I see a lot of cops shooting something.

00:37:59.58
Buddy
Definitely.

00:38:01.14
Jeremy
um There's been a lot of police departments and sheriff's departments who have picked up on the Berna and they're they're definitely using them. um They're trying to have, you know, in their step down or their de-escalation process, they're trying to go through a phase where I'm going to hit you with something that hurts and then I'm going hit you with something that hurts a little bit more and incapacitates you.

00:38:23.67
Jeremy
And if that doesn't incapacitate you, Now you've taken it to a point where we're going to have to go lethal. So if you hit them with a Burna, oh man, I'm just imagining how bad that would hurt.

00:38:36.90
Jeremy
And then you hit them with a taser or you hit them with, a you know, any kind of shock or electric device and that doesn't work, which I've seen those things not work. then you have to consider if your life is in danger as, as a first responder or a police officer, you have to protect yourself.

00:38:53.94
Jeremy
And that's when, you know, that's when they take it up to, um you know, uh, a lethal source, but you know, you can purchase, ah less than lethal shotgun rounds as well.

00:39:06.98
Jeremy
Um, you know, there's a site here, it's called a fire quest.com and they have an entire section of less than lethal. They have a 12 gauge rubber javelin slug and this thing looks like a small bomb.

00:39:22.48
Jeremy
It's $29.99 and contains five rounds per box. These are expensive. Um, but I think that if I had to guess, some people would probably like this kind of thing.

00:39:35.59
Jeremy
They've got a four 10, um, uh, rubber buckshot, uh, round. It's got five rounds in each box and each one of them, it looks like it's loaded with four of these pellets. I mean, imagine getting smacked by four of those things all at once. That would just, oh my God, that would suck.

00:39:55.62
Jeremy
Um, the

00:39:56.25
Keith
Out of a standard shotgun?

00:39:57.79
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah. 12 gauge, 20 gauge and 410.

00:39:58.66
Keith
Oh. Yeah.

00:40:01.40
Jeremy
So there is a charge, you know, there is an actual charge behind these things. And i think that What really the biggest point of all of this is if you decide that this is the way you're going to go, you have to think about, for instance, in the military, when we train with blank adapters and blank rounds, you have to have a minimal safe distance from a person because there is still a charge in those blank rounds.

00:40:26.36
Jeremy
And it still does have stuff that comes and sprays away, you know, out of the barrel and it's particulate and it can mess you up if you're too close. And it's the same thing with these. If you are in an in in an instance where you're having to use a less than lethal round and say a standard 12 gauge shotgun, and this is the round that you chose, there's going to be a flash and there's going to be a bang and there's going to be smoke, but there's going to be a particulate that's traveling along with those rubber bullets. And that's the wadding and that's the unspent um powder in that round.

00:41:01.50
Jeremy
So there is stuff that comes along with it and they can be dangerous. And if you, I imagine if you were close enough and you hit the right spot, they probably could still be lethal, even if you didn't want to be lethal.

00:41:13.20
Keith
Right.

00:41:13.81
Jeremy
So if you get domed, if you get domed with one of those rubber javelin rounds, you, you probably, you might die.

00:41:14.05
Keith
Let me, um

00:41:18.19
Keith
oh yeah.

00:41:20.88
Keith
It's going leave a mark.

00:41:22.10
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:41:22.82
Keith
ah Let me play you ah something here that I've picked up. This is a, um talking specifically about what you just said. um This is a channel called the Commonwealth of Gun Rights. is He's a gun lawyer.

00:41:41.55
Keith
It's really quick. And then I got something else after that.

00:42:09.89
Keith
I kept that in so that you know you guys can, somebody can go to his channel.

00:45:50.52
Keith
right, so you guys heard that?

00:45:53.56
Jeremy
Oh, yeah.

00:45:53.58
Buddy
Oh, yeah.

00:45:54.76
Keith
Yeah, so this guy made some pretty good points as to whether or not you're actually allowed to carry the this these, what he calls them, the Berna style guns.

00:46:05.35
Keith
so I'm assuming those are other companies that make these pepper ball launchers.

00:46:09.89
Jeremy
Yeah, there are.

00:46:11.44
Keith
Yeah. Then you were just you were just talking a second ago, Jeremy, about the possibility of less than lethal actually being lethal. And I'm going to play you this other thing right now. If you guys just so want to take a listen to this,

00:46:27.45
Keith
these are ah attorneys. They are called armed attorneys. They have a, they YouTube channel.

00:47:04.70
Keith
Alright, hold on. That wasn't the one I wanted. I got the other one here.

00:47:14.71
Keith
Okay, that one's... That one's not applying either. Hold on one second. Let me see what's going on here. Today, MP3 file.

00:47:27.53
Keith
Yeah, that should be it right there. Oh, it was probably just didn't load fast enough. Alright, here we go.

00:53:39.61
Keith
Now, I know that was long, long-winded, but I found it to be very interesting, and and I actually listened to the entire program that they had. It was almost an hour long, and ah they went into some really cool stuff. But you do are you are going to have to worry about these things if you're going be using...

00:53:55.03
Keith
less than lethal or non-lethal weapons or procedures. um Not everything you do with less than lethal or non-lethal weapons or procedures, like like a fight, punching, are going to be less than lethal or non-lethal. You could actually kill somebody from punching them.

00:54:12.85
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:54:12.53
Keith
That can happen.

00:54:13.55
Jeremy
yeah

00:54:13.83
Buddy
Yeah, same argument was used in the George Floyd oh incident where he died. and he when he He didn't die because you know the officer stuck his knee in his neck.

00:54:28.53
Buddy
you know He died from other reasons, but he died because the officer actually tried to detain him. So there you go.

00:54:39.28
Jeremy
Well, I have my own opinions about all that. Because in my opinion, he should not have been high on fentanyl. And he should not have been trying to use counterfeit currency.

00:54:51.47
Jeremy
Had the causation not happened.

00:54:52.74
Keith
Uh,

00:54:54.64
Jeremy
The summer of love of 2020, you know, may not have been the same. um But less than lethal rounds, you know, um or anything really, depending on the individual and depending on how that individual is ah hit by or you know whatever by that particular item.

00:55:19.38
Jeremy
I mean, we have – and here are some other examples of some stuff that's considered considered less than lethal if it ends up on the ground, which most people think, I'm going sweep the leg, going to do the judo kick, going karate chop.

00:55:34.21
Jeremy
That's a bunch of horseshit, man. If you've never been in a, like, no kidding fight for your life fist fight to the ground, it is awful. And you get super tired, super fast.

00:55:47.19
Jeremy
And you see it in the movies and these, you know, fights last for minutes.

00:55:47.95
Keith
very fast

00:55:52.59
Jeremy
That's not, that's not how it works. That is not how it works. I'm going to tell you this.

00:55:56.99
Keith
like Jason Bourne fights they're like you know like they go from one city to another yeah

00:55:58.36
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:56:01.08
Jeremy
Yeah, it's it's kind of like when Peter and Family Guy is fighting the the rooster. you know It's going across like for minutes upon minutes, and they're just beating the hell out of each other. I'll just tell you, that's not how it works.

00:56:13.90
Jeremy
um You got flashlights that you can put a cap on the end of it that has ah serrated edge. you know You can use that. um They have...

00:56:21.59
Keith
or the glass breaker that that'll hurt.

00:56:22.88
Jeremy
yeah glass breaker, they have these, you know, they they they they advertise them as tactical pens, but basically it's a really heavy pen that's metal and you could use it to, you know, jab your way out of ah a situation.

00:56:36.09
Jeremy
um And of course, you know, the traditional term is brass knuckles or some people call them knuckle dusters.

00:56:37.48
Keith
Right. Yeah.

00:56:43.94
Jeremy
And I'm not, if I'm not mistaken, they're pretty much illegal everywhere. um But just tell you, criminals don't fight according to the rules, and they don't care about the law.

00:56:57.04
Jeremy
So you have to determine for you, and I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not going to give anybody advice, but brother, you better be fighting like you're the you're the third unicorn trying to get on the ark.

00:57:08.64
Jeremy
um you know And there's there's pocket knives.

00:57:10.11
Keith
ah

00:57:12.55
Jeremy
There's Um, you can make, you can actually take five 50 cord and you can, you can make a, it's called a monkey's fist knot. And you can put that around ah heavy object and you swing that sucker and somebody gets domed with it.

00:57:27.42
Jeremy
Um, you know, that's, that's another tool or another weapon that's technically less than lethal, but can just tell you from personal experience, uh, we've, we've talked about batons before expandable batons.

00:57:42.58
Jeremy
Um, I was using in the ground campaign in Kosovo, we pulled a vehicle over to get inspected and the dude was super drunk and unruly. and um I had this, it was an, it's called a billy spring.

00:57:57.11
Jeremy
So it's it basically like an extended baton, um and but it's a really super duper dense spring and it had a ball on the end of it. And I domed this dude right in the center of his head.

00:58:09.46
Jeremy
um i thought he was going to die.

00:58:11.21
Keith
I think he told us that, yeah.

00:58:12.76
Jeremy
Yeah. He started convulsing and like spitting at the mouth and everything. And I was like, oh man, I'm going to jail.

00:58:20.10
Keith
You know, they also make, now this and this may not be a lesson a weapon, but they also make ah personal sirens or personal alarms that you know you can carry if you're, ah anybody can carry them, but especially if you're a woman or a child and somebody comes in, all you do is just separate it.

00:58:32.02
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:58:36.90
Keith
It's like a key chain.

00:58:37.92
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:58:38.10
Keith
You pull it apart. And these things pump out like 130 decibels mean, 120 decibels i mean a hundred and twenty decibels is causes irreparable damage to your ear. These things run at like 130.

00:58:49.62
Keith
They're extremely loud.

00:58:50.40
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:58:52.21
Keith
People are going to, I care, my own personal alarm is called the firearm. I know if I shoot it, they're going to hear it for three blocks away.

00:58:58.26
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:58:58.32
Keith
But those, ah those sirens are very loud.

00:59:01.20
Jeremy
Yeah, there's ah there's a lot of different things. um I'm not necessarily one to go digging through a purse because like Missy doesn't carry a purse. I know that for a fact.

00:59:12.34
Jeremy
um But um it's not to say that she doesn't, she's not equipped with what she needs. um And there are ways to hide stuff, you know, however it is that you need to hide things.

00:59:26.84
Jeremy
You just have to make sure that one, what you're doing is legal. And two, um you you have to understand how to use the things that you have decided that that's for you.

00:59:39.33
Jeremy
um I mean, like you can actually take like a climbing carabiner and ones that are rated for actual climbing are extremely strong. And you could actually turn that into a weapon by putting your fingers through it and using it as a pair of knuckle dusters if you had to.

00:59:56.72
Keith
Yeah, it's an instant brass knuckles right there.

00:59:58.63
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, in the old days when we used to get in fights at school, I know it's probably pretty horrible to say this, but I used to carry a roll of pennies. I have a small hand and i used to put a roll of pennies and curl it up with my fingers and reinforce it. Cause I'd broken my fingers on dudes faces before.

01:00:16.17
Jeremy
So i would take a, yeah, yeah.

01:00:17.40
Keith
that's ah That's a force multiplier, man. Yeah.

01:00:19.89
Jeremy
And I've used a roll of dimes too. Cause I got like weird sausage fingers, but I mean, you curl one of those suckers up and you put some, you put some stank behind it and you're gonna knock somebody out.

01:00:31.47
Keith
Mm-hmm. I saw these ah rings online too. They're called knife rings and they have like a little knife that'll flip out of the ring. Like it's like a ring, like you wear on your finger.

01:00:39.50
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:41.28
Keith
And um you know you can cut rope with them, cut somebody with them, you know whatever you need to do. um But I thought that was kind of cool too. And I think they only run like 30 bucks.

01:00:50.62
Jeremy
yeah

01:00:50.32
Keith
I don't know how good they are, but you know. Buddy, you got anything to talk about tonight?

01:00:56.76
Buddy
Well, you guys touched on about everything I had. So, yeah.

01:01:03.12
Keith
So you're just taking a free ride. All right, cool, cool.

01:01:06.01
Buddy
um every Everything.

01:01:07.55
Keith
I'm i'm right there with

01:01:10.13
Buddy
and ah You guys touched on all of it. Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:12.61
Keith
you. Well, let me ask you this then.

01:01:15.97
Buddy
yeah

01:01:16.27
Keith
If ah we touch on everything that you might've talked about, if you could not carry a firearm this this weekend and you're going to be going places and having fun and doing some things with the with whoever, what would you carry with you?

01:01:31.32
Buddy
All right. the

01:01:35.89
Buddy
I do.

01:01:36.10
Keith
By the way, I do like those batons. Those things are pretty, especially the ones that shoot out, like the telescoping ones.

01:01:42.93
Buddy
Yeah, the asp.

01:01:42.70
Keith
They're pretty cool.

01:01:44.35
Buddy
um

01:01:44.48
Keith
Yeah.

01:01:45.28
Buddy
One thing that I would carry there, and I don't always, um I go to places where I always can't carry a firearm. So I have a few things that, you know, you can carry. So one of the things that, you know, actually have this on order right now. It's a Sharpie.

01:02:01.89
Buddy
or it looks like a Sharpie, but it's, you see them all over the internet right now.

01:02:03.07
Jeremy
Oh, yes.

01:02:06.25
Buddy
So it looks like a Sharpie. It's used for, you know, I guess, punching holes. We'll just leave it at that.

01:02:14.10
Jeremy
Yes.

01:02:14.63
Buddy
So you can get them through, a lot of times it looks like a Sharpie. You can get them through different TSA. i've and People that sell them that are like, hey, I just got this through TSA.

01:02:26.29
Buddy
You know, they're making TikToks about it.

01:02:26.68
Keith
ah How does it work?

01:02:28.71
Buddy
You just grab it like a... Have you heard of the tactical pin that cops used to carry? It was, so it's like a tactical pin.

01:02:33.37
Keith
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

01:02:35.85
Buddy
It's a, it's just a Sharpie. You open it up instead of having a little, you know, felt tip to it. It's longer and it's solid and it might be, you know, it's a green Sharpie. So it'll be green or a red Sharpie. It's red.

01:02:49.76
Buddy
And so you just grab it and start punching holes. So that is something that I have on order that I'll start carrying. ah Jeremy, he mentioned the D ring, which that's kind of old school.

01:03:02.72
Buddy
um A lot of people will stick a D ring on their backpack going through TSA. It's a D ring, but you can, it also, you can use it as a brass knuckles, whatever.

01:03:15.07
Buddy
One of the things I try to, carry with me all the time, but especially is's good in a situation to where you don't have, you can't carry a a firearm is a strobe light, a flashlight that has about 3000 lumens that has a strobe on it.

01:03:31.53
Buddy
You stick that in somebody's face with the 3000 lumens, it temporarily blinds them. And so the the objective here is to, I wanna break contact because I don't have a firearm with me. You know, maybe they do, they have one.

01:03:46.26
Buddy
you can put the strobe in there. does the same thing. Um, it's, it's good. And with the bezeled rings, uh, on it, you can use it if you need to get in close combat with them or close quarters, you can use it to, you know, do some damage with it as well.

01:04:02.77
Buddy
Um, I do have a tactical pin that I do carry. So once I get the Sharpie, you know, I can put that down. Uh, every cop has a tactical pin and they know what they are. So you, you,

01:04:15.68
Buddy
The Sharpie might, you might catch some people doesn't, they don't know who what it is. So, um, a whistle, I do carry a whistle with me. I usually wear it. Um, and like you said, Keith, the, uh, the, uh, personal siren or personal alarm.

01:04:29.09
Keith
Personal sirens, personal alarms.

01:04:32.67
Buddy
Uh, my daughter has one. And when I started my list, I went through and it's like, okay, they' When my daughters got to a certain age, I had to get them something to protect themselves with.

01:04:45.13
Buddy
And I'll touch on that in a minute. But, you know, a whistle, you can just blow that until hopefully somebody's around that can hear it. And it's a sign of distress. Most people still know it.

01:04:57.03
Buddy
So... you're just trying to get, you know, somebody to look over there. And if anything, uh, the attacker or attackers, you know, they, you're sitting there blowing a whistle, then, you know, they're, they're thinking in their mind, Hey, wait a minute.

01:05:11.06
Buddy
Um, somebody's going hear this and come over here or call the police or something. So it, it's psychological. If anything, you're not really going to hurt anybody with a whistle, but it's psychological.

01:05:22.82
Buddy
So, One of the things I thought about with this assignment was I'm, I want to, you know i looked at it as, okay, my daughter's 16, she's starting to drive. She's going to work.

01:05:34.80
Buddy
You know, she's going to be on her own. What can I give her? Because she can't carry a gun yet, you know? Um, and I don't trust her at 16 carrying a gun either. So what are the things I'm going to get, get her? So looking back on it, um,

01:05:52.25
Buddy
I got my oldest, a, like a brass knuckles. It looks like brass knuckles, but it's a kitty cat. Okay. It's kind of cutesy and it goes on her key chain. And so if she has to knuckle up with somebody, she can, you know, put that on there and it's got these two cat ears that stick out there where the brass knuckles would be and she could use it.

01:06:11.62
Keith
I've seen them. They look devastating.

01:06:13.83
Buddy
Uh, yeah. Yeah. And I picked, I picked it up at a gun show actually.

01:06:14.68
Keith
They'll puncture some holes in you.

01:06:18.72
Buddy
So we got that. I got, I got her some pepper spray. um, you know, that goes on her key chain. Um, you know, and I'm, I'm teaching her all the way through this. I'm like, Hey, when you walk to your car, the first thing you do is you have your finger on, you know, your car alarm and, and ah the, the, uh,

01:06:36.71
Buddy
the unlock button, um, always scanning, you know, doing the fives and 25s, you're scanning the area, looking for, you know, a possible threat, uh, park under lights, you know, it's at night, you're coming out of work, you know, have, uh, a male or, an maybe, uh, somebody else escorts you out, maybe, uh, uh, security if you have it, or, you know, a manager or something, somebody older, or somebody bigger, whatever to escort you out, you know,

01:07:06.13
Buddy
Um, we got the pepper spray. Yeah, she, she has that. I actually bought Costco bear spray and, you know, bear spray shit, you know, it goes 30, 30 feet.

01:07:19.73
Buddy
So she has a can in her door of her car, um, in case she needs to, you know pepper spray somebody, which, yeah, it goes far and it's effective.

01:07:26.22
Keith
That's the good thing about the bear spray, man. It goes far. oh Oh, and Rhonda wanted me to also throw in, if you guys mentioned bear spray or we did, she wanted to throw in, ah get ah get a can of wasp or hornet killer because those things go like 25 feet.

01:07:42.63
Buddy
Yeah. And the cool thing is, yeah, and that's shitting.

01:07:43.37
Keith
but Like a son of a bitch.

01:07:47.18
Buddy
I've been sprayed with the wasp stuff before, so it's it's it burns. ah Not as quite as bad as bear spray, but the cool thing about bear spray is you can, it's legal in about every 50, or in the 50 states. I mean, pretty much everywhere you can buy it.

01:07:59.82
Buddy
So... It's very effective. I was going to talk about difference between a stun gun and a taser. You know, a taser can go out to 15 feet. it's It's effective, but it's not always legal.

01:08:13.24
Buddy
I don't know. You'd have to check your state.

01:08:14.54
Keith
That's the one that shoots the little barbs out with the wires.

01:08:16.59
Buddy
Yeah. Now, a stun gun, on the other hand, is a high-voltage weapon, but they you have to be in close you you know closer to the victim or the who's going to be the victim.

01:08:29.02
Buddy
You've got to be closer to the attacker. And downside to that is if you're tough, if they've actually grabbed you or something and you go to stun gun, um then that whole voltage, because it's an open high voltage, open, oh what would you call that?

01:08:44.58
Buddy
Open circuit.

01:08:45.00
Keith
That's

01:08:46.63
Buddy
You're going to get a little bit of it too. So just keep that of mind.

01:08:50.62
Jeremy
yeah i've

01:08:50.64
Buddy
oh

01:08:51.48
Jeremy
I've heard of people arcing themselves with those.

01:08:53.89
Buddy
Yeah, it's, it's not that it's, it can happen. Yeah. And it's not, I've actually, I've been stun gun before through training and stuff and it it kind of sucks. I mean, you pee yourself a little bit.

01:09:07.93
Buddy
So was throwing that out there.

01:09:10.63
Keith
funny. and that's funny

01:09:12.66
Buddy
So ah a Cubaton or a baton or an asp, you know, a Cubaton is a little small, lightweight rod that you can stick on your on your key chain.

01:09:25.69
Buddy
And if you know how to use it, you can be very effective with it, but you can need some training in it. Same thing with the baton or an asp. You know, you can't just go watch new chunks of, you know, yesteryear or whatever, whatever Chinese theater you're watching and learn how to use them. You actually need training with it to be effective. So if not, you're just looking like Luke Skywalker out there swinging randomly. But asp, if you have some training, they're they're a good tool.

01:09:55.64
Buddy
Um, you know, you got, I mean, we did a good job with this whole thing. So I don't know. I just, I just want to say that, you know, if you live in a place like for instance, when I lived in New York, I could not carry, you know, a gun, the knife had to only be, you know, a certain pocket knife had to be so, so big and you couldn't take it some places. And it it was just, you know,

01:10:22.01
Buddy
it was challenging for me because I'm used to carrying everywhere. So I had to think of a lot of different things outside the box. And, uh, you got to remember you're, you're not going to sit there and fight them to the death because, you know, Jeremy, I think you mentioned it earlier, you know, it sucks. Fighting sucks, you know, about two minutes into it, you're dead.

01:10:42.12
Buddy
I mean, as far as breathing and, and unless you're just in fighter shape, you know, it smokes you and, and, it's It's hard. So you want to do whatever you do, whatever you pick, you want to break contact. You want to make it to where it gives you the best chance of breaking contact or getting away. so you know, I'll leave it at that.

14:26.29
Keith
My Prepper brothers and sisters, in a world that's unraveling at the seams, where chaos moves faster than law and order can react, one truth rises above the noise. You are your own line of defense.

14:38.57
Keith
Tonight we talked about less than lethal, the middle ground between helplessness and deadly force. because not Because, we're not because we're afraid to go all in, but because being prepared means having options, real ones, practical ones, smart ones.

14:55.57
Keith
The fight isn't always going to be black and white. The threats are always the threads aren't always going to be wearing masks. And sometimes the best win is one where nobody ends up dead, including you.

15:09.49
Keith
But don't get it twisted. Less than lethal doesn't mean less than serious. Every stun gun, every pepper round, every impact tool in your kit is a calculated response to an unpredictable threat environment.

15:24.32
Keith
Every impact tool. Every stun gun, every pepper round, every impact tool in your kit is a calculated response to an unpredictable threat environment.

15:35.17
Keith
And if you're not thinking ahead, you're already falling behind. Stay prepped, stay happy. Thanks for listening, and good night.

15:45.52
Keith
I think we have enough to work with.