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201 Flash Floods Kill - Turn Around Don't Drown

• Keith Otworth & Rhonda Triggs • Season 7 • Episode 201

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Tonight, we’re talking about weather-related disasters like the ones we’re experiencing right now in the US. Specifically... Flash Floods. 

Now, you all seen floods right? But have you seen a Flash Flood…?

Flooding is an overflowing of water onto land that is normally dry. Floods can happen for many reasons including heavy rains, rough oceans and seas, Spring thaws and melting snow , or even when dams or levees break. A damaging flood may happen with only a few inches of water, or it may cover the rooftops of houses. Floods can occur within minutes or over a long period, and may last days, weeks, or longer. Floods are the most common and widespread of all weather-related natural disasters.

Flash floods, on the other hand, are the most dangerous kinds of floods, because they combine the destructive power of a flood with the incredible speed and strength of moving water and debris. Flash floods occur when heavy rainfall exceeds the ability of the ground to absorb it. They can happen within minutes, the cause and effects of distant rainfall, limiting the time available to warn and protect the public.

More than 3,000 flash flood warnings have been issued in the United States so far this year — the highest number on record.

Hurricane season in the Atlantic officially runs from June 1st to November 30th. The peak of the season, when the most activity occurs, is typically from mid-August to late October.

Now, is the time to get prepped for floods and flash floods, if you haven’t already.

Let’s talk about that…

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00:00.00
Keith
two one

00:02.98
Keith
All right. All right. All right. And we'll use some of that stuff from the, from the first one um that we did. So we'll throw that in there.

00:10.38
Jeremy
All right.

00:11.10
Keith
All right. ah So we're talking about um weather disasters, mainly flooding because of what's going on right now in the U S I haven't even checked the rest of the, of the, of the world. It's just been too big, too busy here.

00:28.45
Keith
Um, but I hear there's all kinds of other weather related flooding and mudslides and stuff happening around the world and those kinds of regions. Um, but we're getting it pretty bad here. And, um, Flash floods is a type of flood ah that i I don't think a lot of people know about. We're going to discuss some of that tonight as well and hopefully come up with some ways to ah protect ourselves. Because in the United States, actually, no, in the world, the the it says that the number one um weather-related deaths happen because of flooding. Right.

01:04.67
Keith
And most of those happen because of flash flooding. And most of those happen when people are in cars.

01:11.02
Buddy
Yeah, turn around, don't drown.

01:11.14
Keith
About six, six, turn around, don't drown.

01:12.32
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:13.90
Keith
About 60% of the deaths in ah flash floods are from, from cars. People don't realize how fast that water's moving and you don't need, what is this? They said something, and i'm I'm trying to off top my head here. I think it said for every one foot of water, moving water, you get 500 pounds or give or take,

01:34.29
Keith
of lateral push. So if you're in a foot of water, that's moving against your car, your car is feeling 500 pounds worth of push.

01:46.38
Keith
And one foot of water is nothing, man. We drive through one foot of water, you know, um almost all the time, but it's just, yeah it's crazy. People don't realize it. But it's very dangerous. Flash flooding is dangerous. And obviously the big news right now is what's you know what's happened in Texas and really continuing to happen in Texas.

02:05.02
Keith
ah ah That's down where my family lives. My boys live down there and they know some people that were affected, um that were victims. So luckily for me, you know for them for their sake, they weren't involved in it. But yeah, it's pretty bad what's going on down there.

02:21.82
Jeremy
Yeah.

02:23.74
Buddy
Yeah, it's, it's Helene all over again.

02:24.22
Jeremy
Got a lot of ah really, you know, I was about to say, looking at the pictures and all the videos, it's definitely flashbacks from Helene big time.

02:38.11
Keith
Right. Right. And that was Helene was what, what happened to North Carolina and Georgia.

02:44.60
Keith
I think it's Tennessee as well.

02:44.75
Buddy
ah Well...

02:45.04
Jeremy
North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia. Yeah.

02:50.64
Keith
Yeah. Yeah. So, um, Jeremy, you've, you've had some, uh, weather, some stuff happening over there. are You also still getting floods over there.

03:02.82
Jeremy
Yeah, we are. um It's this persistent, um it's a persistent amount of precipitation that keeps building tremendous amounts of humidity.

03:13.77
Jeremy
And we're in an area around here that already has um ah significant amount of water around it, you know, ah around the whole state to begin with. Plus we have the coast, which is three hours you know to the east of us.

03:26.93
Jeremy
And um it's ah it's been it's it's been um almost to the point now where um seems like, because we we had like ah almost a ah month, it felt like, maybe a month and a half of just straight rain. Almost every day.

03:45.40
Jeremy
And then we had extreme heat that followed in behind that. And i don't want to go all tin hat, but some of the the the the amounts of rain that are falling have a lot of similarities to stuff that's been happening in the past.

04:03.71
Jeremy
um But a lot of the lakes have been turning people away, shutting down and having to close up the RV parks. A lot of the rivers are still even now at high flood risk um or they've already overrun their banks.

04:21.18
Jeremy
um So it's a it's a persistent problem. But with that being said, we're also in an area where a little bit of rain can cause a whole lot of problem. And we have the Cape Fear, you know, that runs from where we are all the way out to the coast. It's a massive river.

04:40.65
Jeremy
um And it runs a significant distance. And because we have so many bodies of water, it's very easy for those to fill up. And kind of like referencing back 2017, 2018, we had two back-to-back hurricanes.

04:56.70
Jeremy
um The big problem was the lakes and the rivers coming up over there their bank lines and then hitting levees and then hitting dam walls and completely wiping them out.

05:09.42
Jeremy
And the same thing's kind of happening now. um And it's just got a lot of familiar vibe to it, but... Um, as soon as, you know, that's thing we we started seeing the flooding, all of a sudden we had a tropical storm come in right behind it.

05:28.02
Jeremy
So we already had a significant amount of time of straight rain and then a significant amount of time with extreme heat followed up by more rain and then a tropical storm. So it's a perfect, uh, it's a perfect recipe for lots of flooding.

05:47.78
Keith
You muted yourself, Jeremy, and you're still talking.

05:50.67
Jeremy
Yeah, that was... No, no, no, I muted myself because I was trying let y'all

05:54.40
Keith
Yeah.

05:56.84
Jeremy
Because since there's a delay, I'm like, how do I let them know?

05:57.25
Keith
Oh, you muted yourself. Okay.

05:59.54
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah.

06:02.19
Keith
Oh, I see. I see what you're doing. Gotcha.

06:05.51
Jeremy
Yeah.

06:05.65
Keith
Yeah. Well, you know, and flash floods are hold ah a whole different animal. um and Flooding is very dangerous and kills people. Most most people don't. that die or or they get caught in it. Um, they really didn't think that it was that dangerous, that that's, that's probably what they were thinking.

06:24.02
Keith
you know, they were, I've seen videos of people that just drive right through overflowing rivers, you know, that go over the road. And if you know, you're, you hear the people that are recording going, no, no, no, don't do it. Don't do it. And then their car gets swept, you know?

06:37.85
Keith
Um, so it's, that's what, but flash flooding, flash flooding is a whole different ball game. Like what happened in Texas. Um, I'm sure, I'm sure a lot of you have, uh, heard of, is that you, is that you beeping me?

06:52.96
Keith
Oh, you're on signal. Got it. Um, I'm sure you guys have seen those beautiful pictures of the Canyon walls that are kind of smoothened out and that they're, know, where the water goes through them and they've been sort of water eroded down to these beautiful things. they're called Arroyos.

07:07.29
Keith
Um, they call something else too. I forget. Um, Flash flooding can happen in those where you can be you can be on a dry riverbed and be washed away in seconds.

07:16.27
Jeremy
Thank you.

07:18.53
Keith
And it'd be a beautiful, sunny day. That's a flash flood.

07:23.45
Buddy
Yeah, usually, usually hear a roar, sounded like a freight train coming in and then you're like, what is that?

07:23.47
Keith
um

07:26.07
Keith
You're a roar.

07:28.57
Buddy
and the next thing you know, you're swimming.

07:30.07
Keith
That's right.

07:31.29
Buddy
let's have I've actually been in that situation as a kid.

07:34.03
Keith
Have you really?

07:35.13
Buddy
Yeah, it was, it was, I will never forget it, but, you know, luckily we got up, you know, it wasn't as bad as, as what, you know, saw down in central Texas, but, ah you know, it was,

07:35.75
Keith
Yeah.

07:47.22
Keith
But if you get caught in it, you can't get out.

07:49.11
Buddy
it was It was about three feet of surge, and you know we we had we were riding, I'll tell you, it's not that big a story, but I mean, we were just kids riding three-wheelers on a river, and all of a sudden, you know we were swimming and noodling for catfish, and next thing you know, bam, here it came. we were like, what is that? Sounds like a train. And we were close to a train trestle, but it was coming from a different direction.

08:13.97
Buddy
And so, uh, it had just, it had, they had flash floods down river, you know, uh, hundreds of miles away, i guess.

08:21.81
Keith
Right, right.

08:22.77
Buddy
And it came through uh, you know, uh, we lost, we didn't really lose our, our three wheelers, but you know, we all ran up, uh, uh, embankment and got to safety and then, you know had to walk down and find three wheelers later because it, and it, luckily it was just a wall and it, it it it left it came as as fast as it came. So wouldn't,

08:46.22
Buddy
you know

08:46.79
Keith
Right, that almost sounds like a levy breaker or some kind of a dam broke or something. that That kind of thing happens as well, which is also a flash flood, um which is also part of what happened in in Texas as well. You know, it happened in the middle of night and on 4th of July.

09:01.10
Keith
um And so everybody, you know, on these campsites and and these cabins and stuff, they were all just sleeping. And the water rose 20 feet, you know, inside of what, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, something like 42 minutes, something like that.

09:15.51
Buddy
Yeah, something like that, yeah.

09:17.16
Keith
And it's not just rising, it's rushing. It's rushing, rising water. And these, you know, these campsites were just, by the time that people even knew that they were in water, a lot of them were in campers, which are, you know, two, three feet off the ground.

09:30.78
Keith
So by the time they even knew that there was something shaking in the cabin, they were in the middle of a flood. They're just being washed away. There's nothing you can do about it. um I am, ah I'm an avid camper. I used to be at least.

09:45.12
Keith
And um love camping. And I never, ever would ever set up a campsite next to a river or any kind of a dry riverbed. I have ri ah just because it scares the crap out of me because of flash flooding.

09:56.43
Keith
I have ah dry riverbeds. They call them wet weather creeks on my property. I've taken videos and shown you guys videos of some of the the the arteries going down to them. You saw the rushing water in one of those little videos I've sent you.

10:09.41
Keith
um That that area back there is a dry river, but you walk through it and you can, it's a walkway path through the woods. So in a round and I are constantly like walking in the middle of the dry river bed within inside of 15 minutes after a heavy rainstorm, that thing becomes a roaring Russian river that if you step foot in it, you're gone.

10:28.55
Keith
It's going to take you miles away super quick. They look beautiful and calm and like, like just like they couldn't hurt you. But all of a sudden out of nowhere, the water shows up.

10:41.62
Keith
Flash flooding.

10:42.85
Jeremy
Yeah, the the couple of times that I've been in a flash flood has always been in Texas.

10:43.24
Keith
Um, and I was looking through, go ahead.

10:47.91
Jeremy
oh the The couple of times that I've ever been in an actual flash flash flood has always been when I've been at home in Texas. And one, actually more than one in El Paso, which a lot of people don't think that the desert floods, and but it does every year.

11:03.66
Jeremy
um And then ah couple of different state parks around the San Antonio area where I'm from. And um I have seen the Guadalupe rise.

11:14.89
Jeremy
And the Lano River rise, but not anywhere near what it looks like right now. And in Lano County, one of my favorite places in the world, it's called Enchanted Rock.

11:27.49
Jeremy
um They have a lot of dry riverbeds and stuff like that as well. And as soon as it starts to rain with any kind of significance, they make you they tell you get away from the ah dry riverbeds and the canyons because the amount of water that goes through there, I mean, it's crazy to see it, but it literally looks like a wall of water.

11:52.95
Keith
Right. And, you know, one of the things that we we've done to ourselves, I mean, is is is how we've built our cities and parks and things around rivers. We as human beings, we want to be near water.

12:05.51
Keith
If you look at any major city, it's near water. Always has been, always will be. That's just even Las Vegas. Las Vegas. um I don't know the exact print the exact translation, but I believe means.

12:18.57
Keith
The well or the the spring, I think the the the water spring, that's how Las Vegas started out in the middle of a desert. It was in very, very long times ago, it was a spring out in the middle of the desert and it was a stop point, a waypoint for people to stop by. And there's a little, you know, this lady had some kind of a shack there or something and she sold goods and things like that. That's how Las Vegas started. People go to where there's water.

Keith
that's That's the lifeblood of of our existence is water. Everything congregates around water. These rivers, like the one in Texas, they are a few hundred wide a few hundred ah yards wide, even just tens of feet wide.

00:55.84
Keith
But the river system, if you take away all the people, is much, much wider. It's hundreds of yards wide because it swells and floods and goes back down and it goes back and forth and back and forth. But it does so very slowly.

01:11.32
Keith
And we build right on these areas that are where it used to be where the river is. So when you do get a flash flood, and they do happen in Texas quite often,

01:22.66
Keith
ah but down there and in other places too, you know, not just Texas, but they say they were talking about in Texas saying that this happens, you know, once every and once a decade, this happens.

01:34.06
Keith
And when you get one of these massive rain events somewhere down the line or up the line, whatever it is, you will get a wall of water. And most of the time they can, they can tell people get out of the way. They can evacuate. They can, you know, they can shut down the parks, like you said, and that sort of thing.

01:49.17
Keith
This time they couldn't. and they They did. They gave warnings. They they warned everybody. They warned all the sheriffs. The sheriffs warned the parks. Everybody knew that there was a flash flood warning happening. The problem was it happened in the middle of the night.

02:01.75
Keith
Everybody was sleeping and everybody and and first first responders and emergency people were you know on light duty. It was just small shifts. Happened in middle night.

02:10.94
Buddy
yeah i have friends uh that have lived there or are living there currently and uh they they said the same thing you know they get a flash flood warning all the time and they kind of all they you know talked about it and shrugging it off because it's it's a way of life down there i mean you got Just the terrain, you know, it's it's not like probably where we live where there's a lot of soil.

02:34.57
Buddy
There's not a lot of soil, there's a lot of rock. And so when it rains, and especially it rains heavy, it doesn't really absorb, it just kind of moves on out. And with all the, like you were saying, Keith, all the buildup, you know, you're the the urbanization of that area, um really there's not a lot of, you know, area to sponge it up.

02:55.98
Buddy
So it's got to move somewhere. You know, concrete can't absorb any water, so it just sends it on down their way. and and Yeah.

03:03.11
Keith
No, that's right. That's like, if you look in the woods during a rainstorm, the rain disappears. it It falls on you and then goes away. If you, when you get rained on in like a city, it's on the ground.

03:14.56
Keith
It doesn't have any place to go.

03:16.45
Buddy
Well, Saturday we had this, Saturday we had, and I was trying to explain it Sunday night to a younger friend of my daughter's.

03:16.93
Keith
um We've, we've changed that.

03:26.28
Buddy
And ah because she was talking about, we got flooding and and between where I was and where I used to live. And there was one road that was really bad and, and you know, made national news and stuff.

03:37.83
Buddy
And ah I was, I told her, I said, growing up, we never had that problem right there because there was farm lands in between it, a lot of, you know, fields. And it was a Creek that had been there for years.

03:51.06
Buddy
I mean, it probably had been there since the beginning of time. Well, since they started, you know, the urbanization of the area, they started putting a lot of concrete in, they diverted the river, the the actual, not the river, the creeks feed into the river, not too far away. But anyhow, ah there was really no way with the the amount of flood, we got like six inches within a couple hours or something. might've been less than an hour.

04:20.92
Buddy
There was nowhere for it to go. And so, you know, it just, flooded the area and, and it was gone. Like I said, it was gone about as quick as it came. Uh, but it, it, it had time to do the damage. And I, I blame the urbanization of the area because there's not any places for it to soak up. It just goes straight into the drainage systems that's manmade. And then, you know, sends it down the way. And, uh, there's a lot of construction in the area. So, you know, I'm sure there's stoppage along the way too. So, but yeah.

04:53.98
Buddy
It gets crazy.

04:55.91
Keith
You know, in ah you guys know I've been in construction for for years, was, and um we did mostly multifamily construction, which are big, giant urban centers, you with multiple buildings, lots of parking lots, lots of driveways and cement.

05:12.59
Keith
And most of the cities that we've built in um they have special requirements for a runoff. It's there. There are laws, regulations. And um for instance, the very last one that I was on before I had left at the company, um the parking lot was a you know great big giant parking lot with, I can't even remember how many spots.

05:32.94
Keith
What, Nobody there knew, except for us because we were in construction, nobody knew this. Under that parking lot was a massive cistern that we built. The massive cistern that's you know tens of feet high underground.

05:46.10
Jeremy
Yeah.

05:47.99
Keith
That's a giant thing. There's a holding tank and the water in the parking lot sits right on top of it. The reason why the city made us do that was because by placing that that um project right where it was, there was not going to be enough water getting into the ground and it would stay on top of the ground and cause flooding.

06:06.64
Keith
That's why we did that. lot of places don't have those rules and regulations, but that, that does happen. You could be on a, you know, go to a shopping center and not realize you're walking above a 20 foot cistern underneath of you. If they have those, you know, those requirements.

06:20.62
Buddy
That's interesting.

06:22.45
Keith
Yeah. Be kind of scared to go down there.

06:27.25
Buddy
i

06:27.33
Keith
What creeps and crawls.

06:28.75
Buddy
Yeah, might be some creatures.

06:32.38
Keith
Yep.

06:32.39
Buddy
Some swamp things living down there.

06:35.55
Jeremy
You know, buddy, you said something earlier when you're talking about the stuff in the river. And think a lot of people um don't take that into consideration as well because they, they,

06:52.30
Jeremy
I don't understand why people cross running water thinking that they can get across. You see it literally every single major, you know, ah weather incident. It happens all the time.

07:03.88
Jeremy
I don't know why people do it. um But a big for instance on that, I was on my way back here to North Carolina with my RV and um I was traveling through Texas.

07:17.25
Jeremy
And i left San Antonio that morning knowing that there was a hurricane. going through Houston and I had a choice. It was either head north and then cut across to Dallas.

07:29.56
Jeremy
But by the time I got to Dallas, it would be, the storm would be there. um Or I could head towards Houston and it would be already,

07:34.45
Keith
That's five hours, it's five or six hours right there.

07:40.02
Jeremy
Yeah. And it was like, okay, I know it'll at least be through or the tail end of it. So I'm going along on i ten and, you know, everything's fine.

07:51.59
Jeremy
but You know, beautiful sunny day. then it started getting a little cloudy as I got closer to Houston, which was expected to be expected. And all of a sudden there was no more I-10. And I was looking and I was like, oh my gosh, this is, that's a significant amount of water.

08:07.25
Jeremy
But I'm going ram 3500 pulling a 40 foot RV. And so I was looking and I'm about the same length, just a tiny bit shorter, but not much than the average 18 wheeler.

08:21.66
Jeremy
And I was looking and I was like, you know what? I see them going through that and where it's at on their rim line. I'm going go ahead and do it. So I went in and the water wasn't moving. It was still water.

08:32.15
Jeremy
um It was just a lower point in the in the highway and I'm going through just fine. And then there was something in the water and I ran over whatever that something was and it was, it was large.

08:46.29
Jeremy
um I had enough momentum to get through it, but it did cause the back end of my pickup truck to lift up and it caused the my fifth wheel and my rear end to kind of clack together.

08:47.46
Buddy
get treatment.

08:59.74
Jeremy
and It was a little bit of damage from that. And I thought, okay, if that's the worst of it, I'm good. you know And then as I got closer to Houston, um now all of a sudden there was cops and they forced me off the highway because yet again, i ten was gone.

09:17.35
Jeremy
um And so I was forced into downtown Houston and the storm was still going on.

09:24.22
Buddy
Oh, man.

09:26.03
Jeremy
So i had to...

09:26.09
Buddy
Oh,

09:28.77
Jeremy
I had to stuck with 40 foot of RV combined with a Ram 3500 in the downtown streets of Houston.

09:36.50
Buddy
oh God.

09:39.08
Jeremy
And it was it was not the most awesome thing I've ever been through. um My entire rig was just you know left to right to left to right.

09:51.58
Jeremy
And um I finally got out of there and I was like, it was... It was almost as bad as driving in New York City at that point, but I had to have them help direct me out of downtown through this crazy route.

09:59.75
Buddy
Oh, man.

10:09.37
Jeremy
um And then they led me to a point where larger trucks were able to kind of like get down onto the highway, you know, a little bit of water, but then keep on going. So um I was worried.

10:24.10
Jeremy
about the water getting up into the underpinning of my fifth wheel. And then of course, if I, if it got high enough, you know, get to get up into my, um, or beyond my engine guard, you know, those are the things that I was really worried about, but I see people in like a Kia, you know, trying to get across a raging river. And I'm like, what is wrong? Why would you, you know, what, what possessed you to do that?

10:48.93
Jeremy
That's what confuses me.

10:51.00
Keith
When you get, when you get kids in the, in the, at the pool, what do you put on their arms? You put floaties on their arms, little tiny rings of air go on their arms and hold their, hold their bodies up in the pool.

11:05.47
Keith
And this is why they don't drown. What does your car have? They remind you of a little floaty thing that goes on a kid's arm. It's got four freaking tires. They're filled with high pressure air.

11:17.26
Keith
It's going to float.

11:20.07
Buddy
Yeah. hyd

11:20.47
Keith
Yeah.

11:21.37
Buddy
Hydroplaning is a thing for sure.

11:23.22
Keith
yeah Yeah, exactly.

11:25.38
Buddy
Yeah. and Get out and go go out there and put your you know your car out on level ground and try to push it. Okay. Yeah. And like Keith, you said this earlier about the the pounds of pressure per square inch of, you know, of water whatever.

11:39.80
Keith
Right, right, right.

11:40.37
Buddy
Yeah, water is so powerful. It's... And I, you know, I had a friend a conversation other day, talking with him. He's an actual storm chaser. He's not a meteorologist, but he probably has as much experience as what a meteorologist just has.

11:55.44
Buddy
And we were talking about, you know, the difference between wind in a tornado and water, you know, with the flood. And he goes, it's by far the the most powerful thing on the earth.

12:08.01
Buddy
You know, wind only has so, you know, has so much pressure and, and, you know, look at the difference between tornado and a flood. He goes, just the destruction wise, one tornado comes through and yeah, there's some damage, but a flood will just take out, you know, a lot more.

12:22.89
Buddy
It's gotta be a very powerful tornado to take, you know, ground, you know, F5 or F6 to take, you know, the earth with it. But, uh, he made a lot of sense and he put a lot of things in perspective for me, you know?

12:36.72
Keith
I'd like to talk to him. We should try and get him on the show.

12:38.87
Buddy
Yeah, i it's possible still. i'll ah I'll see what I can do.

12:43.82
Keith
Oh, I mean, we're going into hurricane season, right? We're we're in it now. We should be start started.

12:47.57
Buddy
Well, we're definitely in hurricane season and and of the fire season as well. and

12:54.49
Keith
Fire season. Yeah.

12:55.99
Buddy
and And we've talked about fire before, but, you know, and we've we've talked about this before, you know, about the different seasonal type of preps.

12:56.23
Keith
Yeah.

13:06.12
Buddy
And, you know, now's the time to pivot into, you know, what's what's the threat? You know, I live in the central part of the United States. So, you know, fire is definitely a thing here. Wildfires and flooding is definitely a thing.

13:20.32
Keith
Yeah, and as's as flat as you are, flash flooding is definitely a thing.

13:23.90
Buddy
Yeah, and we can talk all day long about how ah a little bit of rain goes a long way here. But, you know, and Jeremy, he has a different, a little bit different threat out there with being in the coastal area.

13:36.46
Buddy
So, you know, but it's still still a water event. So I think everybody just really needs to figure out, you know, what, and and as preppers, we're thinking, or in the preparedness space, you know, however you want to say it, but we're preppers at the end day.

13:44.31
Jeremy
Oh, yeah.

13:52.11
Keith
you said it very well.

13:54.10
Buddy
You know, we we want to figure out what is the immediate threat. And so what was the immediate threat six months ago is different than what the immediate threat is today. You know, um you know, the flash flood or a river flood or a coastal flood, tidal flood is a thing now that wasn't, you know, back in the flooding crisis.

14:15.24
Buddy
you know, six months ago was more, you know, a so snow melt or, you know, an ice jam or something similar to that. So just different threats.

14:21.87
Keith
Right, right.

14:23.41
Buddy
and And that's something we need to always keep in mind with the seasons change. You know, a lot of people, you know, as this, you know, what is that time change? If you have time change in your, in your, where you live, you know, they, they switch out their batteries to their smoke alarms.

14:39.68
Buddy
If they still have the older batteries powered smoke alarms.

14:42.27
Keith
ah you You're saying something to to trigger you to do something.

14:46.01
Buddy
Yeah, so you trigger, you know, the trigger should be, you know, when the weather starts getting a little warmer spring hits, you know. you need to pivot your, your, your preps and your bug out bags. We've talked about that before, you know, your bug out, your get home bag, whatever it may be.

15:01.55
Buddy
um And, you know, for the upcoming threat and, you know, you you can prep for EMPs or nuclear war. You can do all these things. I mean, and you should, you should think about it all and try to prepare for all of it. But the thing that,

15:17.38
Buddy
You know, the most immediate threat in my mind and in my opinion is, is the weather threat because you're dealing with that all the time. You're not always dealing with an EMP or nuclear, you know, Holocaust or whatever. So, you know, that's more of what I'm prepping for, ah you know, I would say day to day because that's the media threat, you know.

15:40.12
Keith
Well, and I guess it also depends on if it's the immediate threat for you and your specific situation. For instance, we were, Rhonda and I were going from city to city with, you know, construction jobs, city being the the word, the the important word there.

15:55.24
Keith
Now we're out in the middle of nowhere. So we have a whole different threat now. We have flooding threat now because we're in the hills. We we have, you know, weather related threats that could that could put us out.

16:06.09
Keith
You know, no electricity means no water pump to our well, which means no water. You know, that that sort of thing. I've been out, you know, we have we running a hobby farm right now. So ah I call it a hobby farm, but we're getting a lot of food from it. We've got a lot of animals right now on our property.

16:20.59
Keith
And the thing is, those animals depend on us. You know, we're out there working all all day long. We're in the heat. And, you know, that heat will kill you. Ninety-something degrees and humidity, of making it feel like it's well over 100.

16:33.84
Keith
Okay. Yeah. You get that in, in places around the world. Uh, what is that? 38 degrees Celsius, so something like that. 38, 39 degrees Celsius. Um, but if you're out there for four hours, you know, and you stop sweating, you're in trouble. It's time to go. It's time to get in, get into some shade, get some water in you hydrate.

16:52.17
Keith
Um, and we And we can talk about that on other... and know we're doing flooding now, but it is... My point is it is definitely ah relative to where you are, what your threat is. The the main thing about floods and flash floods, especially flash floods, is that, like you said earlier, both of you, Jeremy and Buddy, you both said that they will give you flash flood warnings.

17:13.84
Keith
But we don't listen to them. We hear about them all the time. Every single day, every time storms come through, you're listening to the radio going on your way to work, and they'll say something like...

17:19.04
Buddy
Thank you.

17:22.68
Keith
ah We got a flash flood warning today on in such and such county. So be careful out there. And on to today, we're going to be at the so-and-so selling pizza, whatever you forget you, you, you now know where they're going to be selling the pizza and having fun.

17:34.44
Keith
You forgot that they just talked about flash flooding, flash flooding kills. You have to know that if you're in an area that they're giving you warnings of flash flooding, it's the same as they're giving you a warning for a tornado. We all listen when it says tornado warning.

17:51.15
Keith
Every one of us in in Tornado Alley, we we listen. As soon as they say tornado warning, our heads go straight up. And we're like, okay, what? what what oh Oh, okay. We got to do some shit here. if Something bad is going to happen.

18:02.01
Buddy
Yeah, that's a great point. Uh, people, you know, every, I'm kind of weird every day I'm looking at the weather and I have a whole cycle of events that I go through every morning, looking for different things.

18:15.52
Buddy
You know, I, I collect intelligence and I do it professionally and stuff. So, but one of the things I track is the weather and, Something that's been coming up lately on alerts, and you can put it you can buy an app or get a free app on your phone that alerts you for the weather.

18:32.43
Buddy
A lot of the you know systems will send you stuff like ah a silver alert or amber alert, some weather stuff. But something that the other day i noticed, it said aerial flooding.

18:45.35
Buddy
And I kind of giggled. and I was like, what the hell aerial flooding? Yeah.

18:48.57
Keith
Damn, I never heard of that before. What's, what is that?

18:50.91
Buddy
Well, okay. So aerial flooding is, is kind of a, it's something that, that was a put in plain English here. It's a flood that happens over so like a six hour or more period.

19:04.00
Buddy
So it's like, they, they call it a slow on onset flood. It's, it's that saturation flood, you know, it's been, it's been raining for days.

19:09.85
Keith
Oh, aerial meaning area, not aerial meaning up in the sky.

19:15.23
Buddy
I thought it was talking about sky flooding.

19:17.54
Keith
I was like, what are we talking about here?

19:19.36
Buddy
Yeah, is it's in the spelling. That that tells you my education.

19:21.42
Keith
That makes more sense.

19:23.10
Buddy
So and then I'm thinking, oh, well, the skies, it's raining outside. Hell yeah, it's it's an aerial flooding, but it's area like an area flooding. So, um but it got me it got me thinking. It got it got my attention where otherwise it wouldn't, you know. And I drive a bigger truck, ah not quite as big as Jeremy's, but it's almost there. it'll It'll grow up one day.

19:48.82
Buddy
And, uh,

19:50.15
Keith
It don't matter. It's got bigger tires, got more air.

19:53.26
Buddy
yeah.

19:53.29
Jeremy
I like to call it girthy. Nice.

19:55.58
Buddy
Gareth, you got more girth.

19:55.96
Jeremy
ah like to call it githy

19:58.11
Buddy
All right. All right. We went there, but, um, you know, yeah, you can put a lot of stuff in that trunk.

20:02.01
Keith
She got a big ass and we love it.

20:03.54
Jeremy
a

20:07.37
Buddy
There you go.

20:08.72
Keith
ah no

20:09.11
Buddy
Junk in the trunk. Well, yeah. So well now I lost train thought. All right, here we go. ah

20:16.99
Keith
You're talking about how tough you are in your truck.

20:17.20
Buddy
But,

20:18.41
Jeremy
nice

20:19.40
Buddy
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I go through lots of puddles. but um what i've And this happened in Afghanistan. We had an eight-vehicle convoy. we were you know doing our thing.

20:31.64
Buddy
i was in a trail vehicle because of my that was my job. ah And we crossed a – it had flooded – in this area that we were in, ah right before we got there, sun was shining. It looked like it was good. All a sudden this low water crossing we usually cross was, you know, really, it was rapid.

20:53.26
Buddy
And so they shut down the normal crossing and divert us over to another. And so here we come, we're going through there. I'm, I'm the eighth vehicle through this area and the, whatever's beneath us, the road or the riverbed or whatever it gave out.

21:10.52
Buddy
And so I'm tipping over, I'm freaking out, um you know, because we do rollover drills and all this other stuff. But I just remember looking over and seeing, you know, I don't even know how, probably eight foot of water, rushing water, and we're starting to move out, you know. So

21:29.82
Buddy
you have to really realize, you know, you know Oh, I might, I have a ah Dodge, you know, 3,500 5,500 pickup or what, 2,500, you know, I can make it through that, but you don't know what you can't see underneath, you know, you might not have, and like Jeremy said earlier, he ran over something.

21:49.65
Buddy
ah The road might not be there anymore. You know, the guy who got through it before you in his little, you know, Toyota Tacoma and you're driving 3500, he might've made it and you're like, oh shit, he made it. I can make it. But what happened from the time he went through there to time years through there? So keep that in mind as well.

22:10.22
Keith
Bigger tires you got to the more air floaties you got on your car or truck or whatever it is.

22:14.04
Buddy
Yeah.

22:15.49
Keith
So, I mean, look, big, big boy trucks with big giant knobby tires are awesome. And I love them and I've always had them and it's incredible. And they do really well in the snow. They do horrible in water, high water and and horrible in ice.

22:32.11
Keith
They're not great for everything. They're great for some things. I mean, that's why they had those mud runs, you know, where they bring those big giant trucks, the monster trucks through the big mud runs, and half of them have to be towed out.

22:44.29
Keith
You know, that's just that's just the way it is.

22:46.62
Buddy
yeah

22:47.05
Keith
Flash flood warning. When they say that, it is a warning. That's why they're saying warning. It's important. You know, when they, when they, say I was talking before, when they say a tornado warnings, our heads pop up and we know what's going on. We get phone calls. People start, you guys will actually text me. Hey, do you know, you got a, ah you got a tornado warning in your area.

23:05.69
Keith
Well, did you, why didn't you tell me about the the flood warning? You don't care me care about me that much. Do you? All right. Yeah.

23:11.54
Buddy
I'll start sending flood stuff now. Okay. Okay. No, but that and we're we're getting into, as a team here, we're in a practice now of looking out for each other.

23:23.93
Buddy
And that's a great point, you know, to where, hey, did you realize you got a tornado coming your way?

23:26.33
Keith
Right.

23:28.07
Buddy
Or, you know, it seems like we're almost in the same weather pattern, me and you. Jeremy's out there a little further away.

23:33.21
Keith
When you text me about that, when you messaged me about that tornado warning, I didn't know we were in a warning. I was actually out working and I wasn't attached to anything. I wasn't online or, you know, I wasn't hooked up. it wasn't so in the cloud. It wasn't, I was off grid. Let's put that way.

23:48.88
Buddy
Yeah. And it's, it's a thing, man. I mean, and and you've heard it from me many times, you know, talked about do your area study, you know, know what's going on. Do you live in a floodplain?

24:00.14
Buddy
Jeremy brought up a great, you know, situation to where he was driving across country. You know, he's been probably drove those roads hundreds of times in his lifetime, but all of a sudden he ended up in a somewhere he was unfamiliar with.

24:12.55
Jeremy
Yep. yeahp

24:13.92
Buddy
So ah that's, you know, it's, it's always good to know what's going on around you do a little bit of pre, you know, what we call a ah pre-workout or pre-workup, you like a pre-deployment workup or I do them when I go on vacation, a pre-vacation workup. I always have a, a paper map with me. Um, you know, in the floodplains, I don't go quite in depth like that, but, um,

24:39.14
Buddy
when I deploy with the, with the nonprofit that I'm involved in and we do workups where we, we look for flood zones because we're going in after a storm and there might be more flooding.

24:53.55
Buddy
There's every other day or every three days or so, it seems like down there last couple of days down central Texas, they've had to get out of the water from searching because they've had, you know, more flooding.

25:05.30
Buddy
So, um,

25:06.75
Keith
So you're saying there's a way to look up actual flood prone areas, flash flood prone areas?

25:12.07
Buddy
Oh, yes. Yeah. um A couple of sites that I use, ah USGS.

25:16.21
Jeremy
Yeah.

25:16.39
Buddy
And Jeremy talked about this, I think, in one of the podcasts when he was looking for you know his homestead. But you know they're they're out there. I'll give you a couple.

25:26.71
Buddy
and Jeremy, he's done this work too. so um But yeah, you go out there and you find you find these flood prone areas and ah you know that are around you from different sites. USGS is a great one, FEMA, ah your local state, county extension agents can help you out if you ever have any questions and stuff.

25:53.50
Buddy
And, you know, Jeremy, you've you've used them in your...

25:56.22
Jeremy
Yeah, using GIS is ah is a pretty good tool.

25:59.49
Buddy
Yeah. Yeah. and And it's just a matter of getting online and doing some research. I mean, with the chat bot or the AI stuff out there now, you can, you know, what we call Google and get in there and say, you know, how do i find a flood map, you know, and bam, it'll pop it up, you know, different, different ways of finding it, you know, but.

26:22.88
Keith
Yeah. And we're, you know, every single morning I wake up and make coffee and about 10 feet away from me is my Alexa deal. And in the bedroom, we have the Alexa deal in there as well. the You know, the little thing you talk to and the talks back.

26:34.21
Keith
And every single morning when I make coffee, it's Alexa weather. That's all I got to say is two words. And it tells me exactly what's going to be happening in my area. Now, is it 100% correct? It's close because it's Weather Channel, more or less, you know, being piped through.

26:48.40
Keith
But it gives me an oversight of what my day is going to look like. I do this because I work outside, but I also have been doing this for years. I used to start my morning watching the Weather Channel on TV while I was getting dressed for work.

27:01.59
Keith
You know they give me a little bit of news of what's happening around the world, but they also give me the weather and every, was it, the eighth of every hour, they would give you your local weathers and that kind stuff. um

27:10.63
Buddy
Yeah.

27:10.74
Keith
Know what's happening, whether it's going to be too hot, whether it's going to rain, whether it's going to flood. I didn't know this morning when when it was when I woke up that it was beautiful and sunny and gorgeous that when I went downtown around 11, 12 o'clock, I was in a ah ah thunderstorm, a massive thunderstorm.

27:26.31
Keith
I knew that we were going to have pop-ups that day. i didn't know where they were going to be, but I knew we were going to have them somewhere. So i didn't get i didn't get some of the things I was going to get that go in the back of the truck that could have gotten wet.

27:38.23
Keith
So i'm planning I'm pre-planning my week now while I'm seeing what it's going to do tomorrow and know how to do things. I think just knowing the weather in the morning is a great way to start watching weather reports.

27:49.94
Buddy
Yeah. Having a weather app on your phone to where it gives you updates. You you can get a weather app. AccuWeather is one of them that comes to mind. It's easy. It's free. you know it It automatically sends you the updates.

28:04.73
Buddy
And starting your day off, like you said, like coffee, that's a great, ah great you know I call it battle rhythm. It's because of military, you whatever. But a good rhythm to have every day while you're getting your coffee or making your breakfast.

28:16.76
Buddy
you know Look at what kind of weather my deal went today because you never know.

28:26.56
Jeremy
Yeah, there's a bunch of different apps. And if, um if you learn how to use ah different maps properly online, you can actually get topographic maps connected to flood zones.

28:40.77
Jeremy
And for someone who may not know how to use a topographic map properly, it's kind of a, it's a kind of a visual aid to sort of you know, visualize what a flood zone or a floodplain may look like based off of topography. And the topography, of course, the different elevation and changes along the ground.

29:04.11
Jeremy
And if if you get out in the woods long enough, and we've talked about this before, you kind of learn how ah the land moves and flexes, and I call it the the breathing, you know the land breathes.

29:16.23
Jeremy
um But there's a bunch of different resources here in North Carolina. We have one, it's called the NC1 map, and it's a state run map. and You can look it up.

29:28.77
Jeremy
It's all the different floodplains according to the water bodies, the known water bodies here in the state. And it gives you current updates based off of flooding you know situations ah right now.

29:42.44
Jeremy
And um if you take that, combine it with GIS and then the GIS function, you can actually see the topography. from satellite imagery for, you know, so you're looking at it from the top down view and you can learn, you know, how in the low lying areas and how it stretches, they'll learn the difference between a draw and a spur and all those different things.

30:05.68
Jeremy
And you can learn how that water is going to flow. you know, yes, if you're looking for property, but if you're trying to, get out, travel, maybe even hike, um because a lot of the hiking areas that we have here, of course, are you know in conjunction or close to a body of water.

30:24.96
Jeremy
um I'm actually looking at the NC1 map right now and in the alerted areas where there's flooding. It shows up in yellow and there is a butt ton of yellow all around our area. And there's actually even ah river closures right now where there's different parts of the Cape Fear.

30:48.05
Jeremy
um We have the little river the upper and lower little river and just a bunch of different rivers that all flow generally in the same direction. um But they're lined out where you can't actually like get through them right now because of of flooding hazards.

31:06.55
Jeremy
And some of that's probably what you were bringing up before about stuff traveling in the water. um That was what caused a lot of the damage ah to our area here back 17 and 18. were trees and and you know debris and cars and literal pigs from a farm that were trapped in the water flowing down river.

31:31.42
Jeremy
And they hit those grates up against you know different you know bridges and whatnot, and they get stuck there. Well, if the water has nowhere to go, it's going to follow the path of least resistance. And the next thing you know, there were, I'm not kidding you, there were dead pigs all over the place because this this farmer, rather than have his pigs trapped there on the farm, he opened up his gates and they started running.

31:59.79
Jeremy
and the ones that didn't die, they turned feral. So now we have feral pigs here, unfortunately. Um, but there were actual pigs that had been caught up in the river waters and flooded, you know, they got ran down downstream.

32:14.89
Jeremy
And when they hit those grates and when they got caught up in all that debris, they died. And then the rivers up, you know, came up and over their banks. And now that we have dead pigs all over the place, it was, it was a pretty ugly sight to see.

32:25.09
Keith
and that is That's not water you want to drink, man. That's bad.

32:27.68
Buddy
Oh, no, no.

32:30.88
Jeremy
No, but even back in, what was it? 2020, 2019 and 2020, when we were down at the Academy, my mom was in San Antonio. That's where I'm from.

32:44.46
Jeremy
And um they had flooding down there and it started out kind of, you know, as as usual. And then it started getting torrential. And then the next thing you know, my mom's calling me and she's like, Hey, we're on the second story. We're trapped.

33:00.27
Jeremy
So I got a hold of um anybody in the area that I used to serve with and our motorcycle association. And they actually put together a water rescue to get my mom and my son out of there and her animals.

33:14.69
Jeremy
And they got her out of there and everything and got her moved. But she was literally stuck up on the second story of the house.

33:19.18
Keith
and that's That's awesome. That really is.

33:23.62
Keith
That's a great story of survival.

33:25.34
Jeremy
So...

33:26.38
Keith
So what do we want to ah finish off the episode with?

33:29.74
Jeremy
Yeah, she's she's tough.

33:30.15
Keith
What do what do we want to finish off the episode with as far as getting our our listeners in line?

33:40.13
Jeremy
I would say that there is a couple of resources that you can go to and some supplies that you can have at home that I actually keep at home just based off of some lessons learned over the years since I've been here in North Carolina. And I think one of the biggest ones is i whenever I can find them at like an Army Navy surplus store or something like that, I buy the old school sandbags.

34:08.28
Jeremy
I keep them on hand empty. And then when I think that I'm going to need them or I get you know even a slightest hint that there's going to be anything crazy, I can and can go fill them up and I can start stacking.

34:20.38
Jeremy
Another product that's out there is called Quick Dam. um they you know You can find them at most big box stores. um They have a bunch of different types.

34:31.78
Jeremy
And I actually primarily, I keep them in my my kit in my house. But they have some that look like sandbags and then they have ones that are really long and you put them in front of doorways. But what happens is as soon as water hits these things, it activates a gel inside and it starts to swell up.

34:53.07
Jeremy
And as long as they are in damp area, as long as they stay wet, they are activated. And you can stack these. You can move them around. um They're heavy once they get in. You know, they actually take on the water because the gel itself activates.

35:11.21
Jeremy
um But I've been using those ah since we had flooding inside of our house in 2017. And since I've started using those combined, of course, with sandbags, um I have not run into um that kind of problem.

35:28.71
Jeremy
Because you know, you you know when ah at least here, you you pretty much know when a hurricane is on its way. You know when a tropical storm is on its way. And i think ah the big problem is is some people, they play that they play it down.

35:43.23
Jeremy
They downplay it. They think, oh, I've been through these before. It's not going to be that bad. The problem is is that if you don't know the weather, and you don't know how it's going to impact you based off of where you're located, you can get yourself in a lot of trouble.

35:58.09
Jeremy
I know that here where we live, we're always going to be on the north side of an eye of either a tropical storm or a hurricane. That's like one of the crappiest places to be on the is on the north side of the eye based off of the way that they rotate.

36:11.53
Keith
Thank

36:13.44
Jeremy
So go to the Red Cross website. There is an actual checklist, a flood checklist. um The FEMA has a flood checklist. And you can also go to certain construction sites as well, and they have stuff to help you prepare for flooding.

36:32.01
Jeremy
um And then they have the EPA actually has a flood resilience checklist. They're all available open source. download them, take a look at them and be like, okay, well, based off of where I'm at, this is probably some of the supplies that I'm definitely going to need.

36:46.95
Jeremy
And then get bent that I have to stay and in the event that I have to go.

36:52.98
Keith
Yes.

36:53.13
Buddy
I agree.

36:54.17
Keith
Yeah. All good, all good information. Uh, and that's a really good point with the last point you made was whether you have to stay or whether you have to go, you should definitely fortify your, your home, no matter what it is, even if you're going to stay or go, cause you're going to stay, you're going to want to keep the water out.

37:08.37
Keith
Uh, if you're going to go, you want to want people getting in or whatever else. So the water getting in and doing damages. So that's a good point. Um, you know, you want to stay informed. You want to know the low lying areas, um bodies of water, bridges, dams.

37:22.36
Keith
I live in Lake of the Ozarks area. We've got one major dam that whole it's 150, 150 feet tall, holds back 150 feet of water. If that dam fails and it was built like in the freaking thirties or something or twenties or something like that.

37:37.78
Keith
If that dam fails in one day, it probably will. It is going to be horrible. It is going to be a massive deluge of water that runs through the entire area. Know where your bridges are. Know where the low-lying areas are. Know where the dams are. Whether they're big or small or brand new or old. You never know. People make mistakes. Things happen.

37:57.56
Keith
um I think you said it before, but you said turn around, don't drown. Oh, huge. It's huge. Do not drive through water. Turn around, don't drown. You don't want to drown.

38:09.35
Keith
You don't want to be in your car floating down a river not knowing what to do. It's going to be very bad. Don't do it. ah Seek higher ground. um Evacuate is a great one. If you're in if you're in a low-lying area and you got flood warning or a flash flood warning, evacuate. Go go someplace higher and hang out for a little while. Bring your bring your your pack with you. you know Enjoy the day, even if it's raining. Do something.

38:33.89
Keith
So those, and, and I guess also you were, you were talking to Jeremy about kits and, um, which I'm kind of bad with, cause I don't have, um, I talk a lot. I talk a big game about, uh, uh,

38:47.74
Keith
specific ah mission type kits. I do have different kits. I do. But these days, most of, can't, you know, i have so much stuff that most of my stuff ends up in all my kits.

38:59.36
Keith
So it ends up being like a, you know, a, a ah winter kit that also has summer stuff in it, you know, just whatever. But if you live in an area that has flooding or tornadoes or that sort of thing, make yourself some sort of a kit.

39:13.07
Keith
Yeah. that can help you in that situation flares. I don't know. You said a bunch of things, buddy, but I think that's pretty much all I got to say about it.

39:21.34
Buddy
Hell, I'm putting some floaties in mine now. My bug out bag is going to have some and floaties.

39:24.66
Keith
Hell yeah.

39:26.13
Buddy
I might have to have one for my gut too. i get Well, they make those. Yeah.

39:29.49
Keith
I want to see a picture of a big old giant redneck with, with tires on his shoulders as floaties. I want to see that picture. That'll be cool. ah Floating down the river.

39:39.03
Buddy
Those tractor tube, those old fashioned tubes for your tires.

39:41.16
Keith
Yeah, exactly.

39:43.46
Buddy
Yeah. The only thing I had really to say is, you know, be proactive and not reactive when it comes to this kind of stuff. Know what's going on and get ahead of the curve. I mean, don't go into situations to where this is likely. For instance, Saturday night, I'm watching on TV. I'm looking at my phone. My daughter's working. She's got to come through this area that had been flooded.

40:09.29
Buddy
and And a buddy of mine actually lived in that area and he wasn't there. and i was like, dude. Are you home? Where are you at? And he said, he's well, I'm going home now. And I was like, well, you might want to, you know, I sent him a couple links.

40:24.25
Buddy
You might want to see what's going on at your house because it might not be there because there's flooding in your area. And so he's okay. That's great to know. So he got in his, you know, three inch lifted Jeep and and made it home fine.

40:36.03
Buddy
But my daughter, and for the and she didn't even have a clue of what was going on. So, you know, and she would head right through that area. So, you know, i luckily I told her, hey, you might want to find another way, home you know, way home this time because it's flooded there. So, you know, just get ahead of the curve.

40:55.43
Buddy
Don't put yourself in a situation. Turn around, don't drown. And, you know, have a plan. You know, if you do get swept off the road because you made a bad decision, you know, are you going to ride it out in your car? A lot of people are getting getting pulled out of it.

41:10.27
Buddy
Their bodies are being pulled out of the cars they were in. So, you know, do you have a glass break in your car or something to break the glass where you can get out? You know, is there something that'll float ah that can possibly float you down the river? A girl survived.

41:26.04
Buddy
I heard this earlier today. She survived going 20 miles away from where she was camped. um on a floaty. So, you know, have a plan, you know, not only don't put yourself in a situation, but have a plan.

41:35.48
Keith
Wow. That's wow. Hmm.

41:38.59
Jeremy
Yeah.

41:41.10
Buddy
And, you know, there's plenty of gear out there to get, ah you know, like any gear you do get, you know, make sure you practice with it and train with it because you never know, you know, if you need a ah glass to break, you know, use your neighbors that really pisses you off and practice.

41:58.45
Keith
Yeah.

42:00.12
Buddy
I'm kidding. Yeah.

42:01.33
Keith
her

42:01.60
Buddy
But, you know, just be situational aware of what's going on around you at all times.

42:08.39
Keith
you telling our listeners to go f find a random car and break the window?

42:12.20
Buddy
I didn't say that.

42:13.34
Keith
i don't know. sounds like you said that.

42:14.82
Buddy
the Not a random car, the person that pisses you off, but, but ah you know,

42:16.44
Jeremy
I mean,

42:21.75
Jeremy
i'm not saying that's a terrible idea.

42:22.85
Keith
not doing it to my car.

42:23.83
Jeremy
I'm not saying that at all, but I kind of like it.

42:24.64
Keith
You kind of like it. Exactly.

42:28.83
Keith
All right, gents.


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