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00:08.60
Keith
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Tonight we're talking about bartering. And not just during SHTF, but now. Right now. Because you need to get familiar you need to get you need to get familiar with bartering for goods and services. Get comfortable with interactions with other folks. Let's take a road trip to Barter Town.

Trials and tribulations of being a gardener, man.

00:31:35.58
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:31:35.48
Keith
Yeah, it does.

00:31:37.05
Jeremy
Because I pressed down on a squash from the day prior, and when I pressed on it, literally thousands of these bugs started pouring out of it.

00:31:45.43
Keith
Damn.

00:31:45.94
Jeremy
Yeah, it was like it was like a scene from Aliens.

00:31:47.58
Keith
o

00:31:48.62
Jeremy
I was that pissed off. I was like, oh, I'm going to get the blowtorch. this This whole area is getting freaking firebombed. So, yeah.

00:31:59.70
Keith
Well, the listening audience has been patiently waiting.

00:32:03.81
Jeremy
Oh, yeah.

00:32:04.70
Keith
Let's talk about tonight's topic, which it probably shouldn't take very long, so it's it's good we went this route.

00:32:09.29
Jeremy
No. Yeah.

00:32:10.54
Keith
Top 20 barter items for SHTF. Is that correct?

00:32:15.16
Jeremy
Yeah, I think you're doing 10-ish and I'm doing 10-ish.

00:32:19.67
Keith
Yeah, I mean, i I've got a list. I'm sure we're going to cross items, so, you know, yeah.

00:32:24.89
Jeremy
Most likely. Most likely. Well, I know that like a lot of people, um some of the stuff is is like an automatic, you know, um people think like, oh, I can i can keep you know this on hand and this on hand and it's going to be great. And people really, i i will partially disagree with some of these people. Like they'll think I'm going to keep gold and silver on hand and that's going to be the only currency.

00:32:50.07
Jeremy
I don't think so. I think that stuff like 22 ammunition is going to be much better currency. So,

00:32:58.54
Keith
Yeah, I don't understand why everybody goes so crazy about gold and silver. I wonder if it's the if it's the hype and the promotion and the marketing that those companies that sell that stuff or trade that stuff are actually putting out there. Because, I mean, what am I going to do?

00:33:12.06
Keith
What's anybody going to do with gold and silver in a long-term SHGF situation, a nation rebuilding kind of a situation where you've got two or three years of rebuilding? Who's going to use gold or silver?

00:33:24.95
Jeremy
I think for a lot of people, and I do i do understand, i understand it. Gold and silver is intrinsic in value. it It only grows. um Silver has gone like absolutely crazy recently.

00:33:39.80
Jeremy
um But the thing is, is that you can gauge a nation's wealth and you can gauge a nation's currency based off of how much gold they have on hand. When they took us off of the gold standard, they fucked up big time.

00:33:54.52
Jeremy
um But when I think what the way people think is, is that at the end of the, you know, the whole collapse and the rebuild and all that stuff, they're like, if I've got this gold and silver on hand and I can hold onto it,

00:34:09.08
Jeremy
when it's time to rebuild i'm gonna be super wealthy i mean that's fine you know i guess that's that's great and all but you can't eat gold and you can't drink silver so that i think for me personally having actual assets on hand and long-term assets is more valuable for me personally i mean

00:34:32.41
Keith
No, no, I get exactly what you're saying. And it is it it is a rebuild kind of a situation because if you're in the dead heat of an SHTF situation, nope anybody coming up to me with gold or silver is not going to be able to buy my ammo because I don't want the gold and silver.

00:34:45.40
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:34:48.18
Keith
Now, you bring me ah seedlings. You bring me something that's worthy, you know, medicine. Yeah, I've got i've got thousands of rounds of 22, how much you want.

00:34:59.86
Keith
You know. And everybody's going to want 9mm,.22,.223.

00:35:00.76
Jeremy
yeah

00:35:01.81
Keith
They're going want all that ammo. two two three they're gonna they're gonna want all those all that all that atmo yeah

00:35:07.45
Jeremy
yeah Your most common rounds. Yep. Yeah. um So i would say probably my very first one, and and this is how I think, maybe a little twisted, but I know that when the ah initial stages and for a time afterwards,

00:35:26.55
Jeremy
The biggest things that I want would want to have on hand to trade is I'm going to play on people's, ah their addictions. And i I know it sounds like a shitty thing to say, but my very, very first one is going to be alcohol.

00:35:41.69
Jeremy
And it doesn't have to be expensive alcohol. It doesn't have to be the absolute best. It could be cheap, you know, cheap, cheap, cheap shit. But in the stress of the times, people are going be like, damn, I could use a drink.

00:35:55.19
Jeremy
And you have like bottom shelf whiskey. Oh, they're going to take that whiskey. They are definitely going to trade something for that whiskey. And then directly after that is going to be nicotine and it's definitely going to be cigarettes. And it could be, it could be the worst brand, the cheapest, most disgusting brand of cigarettes on hand.

00:36:18.81
Jeremy
But if you know somebody is a smoker and you have cigarettes, even if you don't smoke, you are going to be the wealthiest person in your area. You are going to be basically the equivalent of a millionaire.

00:36:31.90
Keith
Yeah, there's no doubt about it.

00:36:33.19
Jeremy
Because, I mean, you got somebody who's Jones and hardcore, right? They've run out of their cigarettes or dip or whatever it is that their thing is. Like, let's say you ran out of vape juice. How long before you punch a hole through the wall?

00:36:46.23
Jeremy
You know what mean? So um if you know somebody a smoker and you know they've probably got some good stuff and you were like, you know what? I've got a pack of these GPCs menthols.

00:37:00.89
Jeremy
What are you willing to give me for it? Oh man, you could have so much stuff. I think, I think cigarettes is probably more valuable than liquor or alcohol in general, but those are my top two, like right off the bat. Those are the two items that I definitely want to have on hand to trade.

00:37:22.14
Keith
So side note on that, how would you keep, is there is there a way to keep cigarettes from not going stale? Because it is ah it is a product that will go stale and go bad.

00:37:33.21
Jeremy
Yeah, it'll go stale.

00:37:33.43
Keith
ah Alcohol, no, it won't.

00:37:35.45
Jeremy
Yeah. um They'll go stale.

00:37:36.84
Keith
I wonder if you can vaum vacuum seal them or something. I wonder if there's something you can do.

00:37:39.22
Jeremy
You could. Yeah, you can. You can actually break down the pack, vacu-seal them, and then they're going to be just in that stasis. But it's eventually even those will dry up. it's But honestly, if somebody said, if you're a smoker and you haven't had one in like let's say 30 days and you have already just resigned yourself to be like, okay, well the whole universe sucks and I'm just going to die of this and said, yeah, exactly. And somebody's like, Hey man, I got a pack of smokes. What do you got

00:38:10.12
Jeremy
You're going to do whatever you need to do to get that pack of smokes. But that, but the there's, you'll go quite a long time before they go that stale.

00:38:19.42
Keith
Mm-hmm.

00:38:19.86
Jeremy
You know what mean? Like, and then Even like World War II, I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Enemy at the Gates. um It's based off of ah a real event, a real book.

00:38:30.36
Jeremy
But the Russians, what they would do is they actually had strips of newspaper and they were putting their tobacco in strips of, you know, and just basically doing a roll of your own out of newspaper. So people are going to find a way to smoke no matter what. They're going to be like, I got this toilet paper, I'm smoking it. Yeah.

00:38:49.30
Keith
Yeah.

00:38:49.45
Jeremy
They're going to do what they need to do to to get their fix. So.

00:38:52.21
Keith
I know. And there's people that say, well, then wouldn't it be a great idea to grow tobacco? Try it. And how how much tobacco field, how many acres do you need in order to make actual cigarettes?

00:38:57.93
Jeremy
Hmm.

00:39:04.12
Keith
You know, I don't i don't know.

00:39:04.58
Jeremy
Hmm. A lot. And I don't know if anybody who does say that has never been in a tobacco field.

00:39:06.26
Keith
A lot.

00:39:11.75
Jeremy
They've never picked tobacco. Picking tobacco sucks. Your hands will get shredded all to crap.

00:39:19.29
Keith
tore up.

00:39:20.17
Jeremy
Your hands will get so torn up. I mean, there are some areas around here, like one of the guys I work with on contract, when he was a kid, he used to get sent into the tobacco fields as punishment.

00:39:32.38
Jeremy
Like that was an actual punishment for for him because

00:39:34.42
Keith
Right, right. That's right, because you're in the set you're in the South Carolina, South Carolina, North Carolina. Yeah, you're in the Carolinas.

00:39:39.70
Jeremy
North Carolina.

00:39:40.90
Keith
Yeah, they did a lot of, in fact, isn't isn't isn't ah like one of the big manufacturers still there?

00:39:41.05
Jeremy
Yeah. Still do.

00:39:47.86
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Winston-Salem is actually here.

00:39:50.33
Keith
Yeah, that's crazy.

00:39:51.13
Jeremy
So your Winston cigarettes and, you know, Marlboro's up here too, but North Carolina is like the tobacco, you know, like, like capital, most of, most of the cigarette industry and tobacco industry. Tobacco actually comes from North Carolina. So I think it's the state's number one cash crop.

00:40:11.99
Jeremy
So, but yeah, it's, um if you've, if you've never messed with tobacco, um picking it sucks. It like super duper sucks.

00:40:23.66
Jeremy
It's not awesome.

00:40:24.12
Keith
Nice.

00:40:24.62
Jeremy
Not awesome. So a couple of other items, but that's like my top two cigarettes or tobacco products in general and alcohol of some kind.

00:40:36.02
Keith
I still have three bottles. One is gin.

00:40:38.68
Jeremy
Mm hmm.

00:40:39.46
Keith
One is...

00:40:40.68
Jeremy
Ugh.

00:40:41.40
Keith
uh, vodka. And the other one is, um, gin, vodka, and tequila. All of them are absolute bottom.

00:40:46.92
Jeremy
Ugh.

00:40:49.49
Keith
I mean, below the bottom shelf, like, but like underneath the bottom shelf is how, is how bad these things are. We're talking like $6 up for the bottle. I'm like, we're really cheap stuff.

00:40:59.61
Keith
And I still got them, you know, and I bought these things years ago when I started prepping and I still have those three bottles.

00:41:08.00
Jeremy
even thinking about gin, it just, like, ah you know, you get that tug in your throat right before you puke.

00:41:12.66
Keith
Yeah. Well.

00:41:14.84
Jeremy
To me, gin tastes like, I don't know, you know, they tell it like they tell you seed oils are bad. That's what I think of gin. It's like, just, ah it tastes like oil to me. And tequila, I'm not allowed to have tequila.

00:41:29.67
Jeremy
Because a lot of people are like, oh man, I'm a party animal. All my clothes fall off. I turn into a violent hose beast if I drink tequila. i just That's why I don't mess with it.

00:41:39.54
Keith
Ingrined alcohols are you know good for getting drunk and good for you know feeling good or taking the edge off now and again and bartering with, but they're also good for medicinal purposes.

00:41:47.86
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:41:47.90
Keith
You can make tinctures out of them all and all that stuff.

00:41:51.00
Jeremy
Yeah. If you have...

00:41:51.13
Keith
Actually, gin is one of those top things they use for tinctures.

00:41:55.45
Jeremy
Well, you could, yeah, you can use gin, but vodka is actually ah one of the biggest ones because you can take vodka and you can actually put in a little bit of glycerin and then you end up with hand sanitizer.

00:42:06.33
Jeremy
That's, it's one of the easy, yeah.

00:42:06.74
Keith
No shit.

00:42:08.05
Jeremy
You can do the same thing with rubbing alcohol. You're 90, 90 to 95% rubbing alcohol. um But if, if you don't have rubbing alcohol, you can use vodka and you can just put a little bit of glycerin in there and it turns into hand sanitizer.

00:42:22.24
Jeremy
Jelly's up and that's what it is.

00:42:22.54
Keith
Huh. Huh. Interesting.

00:42:25.40
Jeremy
Um, so my next one is going to be, uh, toilet paper or baby wipes and like butt wiping material in general.

00:42:34.35
Keith
Now, those will last. you Those are in the pack packages sealed, and they got them you know they don't dry out long as longngs they're sealed.

00:42:35.63
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:42:39.45
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. That's going to be my next one. Um, cause everybody's got to wipe their butt and when it's gone, you're looking for stuff to wipe your butt with. Cause we're all, we're going to continue to poop, you know,

00:42:50.56
Keith
I should hope so. Yeah.

00:42:51.73
Jeremy
Yeah. um Next one after that is going to be soaps, soaps and just general um ah personal hygiene products in general. um And then not included with that, but still in the personal hygiene sort of genre is going to be feminine hygiene products.

00:43:12.79
Jeremy
um Because even though and I've talked with Missy about this before, because All of our girls are were athletic. you know Missy was very athletic and it actually does affect a woman's cycle. So the stress and the athleticism required to deal with emergency situations to begin with, once that kind of starts to wane off a little bit, women are going to go back into their somewhat regular cycle.

00:43:40.95
Jeremy
um And they got to have stuff to take care of it. They could do like the old days, you know, and basically, I don't know what they called them back then. It was essentially a cloth diaper and they had to hang out in the red tent for 30, you know, or for, for a week. But that stuff is going to be super important. um And I've said this before and I'll say it again. i don't even know why I would have to say it, but do not, do not, do not use feminine hygiene products for packing a wound.

00:44:09.46
Jeremy
It's so the stupidest thing you could possibly do. I know it sounds like a great idea, but if you've never had a tampon shoved into a bullet hole in your body, you may as well, you may as well tell me I'm going to pour literal liquid hot magma into your wound that's what it feels like it's horrible it is absolutely horrible

00:44:32.31
Keith
but it isn't it better than nothing

00:44:34.46
Jeremy
a if you had absolutely nothing okay yeah

00:44:37.66
Keith
absolutely nothing yeah no no IFAC whatsoever

00:44:38.74
Jeremy
If you had absolutely nothing, yeah. If you had only just stay free, heavy flow day, fricking tampon. Okay. Yeah. If it's going to save my life, yes.

00:44:50.55
Jeremy
The problem is, is that once that thing goes in there and expands, volume is volume. It's going to start pressing up against the wound wall and it's going to suck super bad.

00:45:00.57
Keith
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:02.65
Jeremy
And they're full of chemicals. those chemicals are going to get in into whomever's bloodstream in a place that it was never meant to go into your bloodstream.

00:45:13.30
Keith
yeah

00:45:14.69
Jeremy
It's, it's, it's not awesome.

00:45:15.13
Keith
yeah

00:45:16.65
Jeremy
I'll just tell you that it's not great at all. um But yeah, so right after that is going to be what I call sundry items. So real quick duct tape and cordage, you know, those are always going to be important. Batteries, super duper important.

00:45:36.79
Jeremy
And then and and i i was going to go with your typical like food and water because anybody who's hungry enough is going to want food. Anybody who's thirsty enough is going to be desperate for water. But those are things that we.

00:45:49.82
Jeremy
We should always have on hand, but because you definitely need those things for more for your family than anybody else, I would tell you food and water is actually not on my, like my highest things that I want to trade off. Right.

00:46:06.65
Jeremy
Um, if you bought an excessive amount of, let's say canned goods. Okay, cool. If I intentionally made a stash of canned goods just for barter, that's only what that's for.

00:46:21.02
Jeremy
But I don't want to count that into my potential reserves of food for my family. So it's kind of how I went with that.

00:46:27.32
Keith
Good point. Yep.

00:46:28.54
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:46:28.49
Keith
Good point.

00:46:29.43
Jeremy
Um, uh, and then first aid supplies, medicines, stuff like that. Um, you know people i don't think a lot of people understand you know because we're getting ready to go into our CME EMP episode.

00:46:46.81
Jeremy
And kind of like you know with one second after, the estimation is is that if we did have an actual event and we lost our grid, within that first year, i think they said like close to

00:47:03.13
Jeremy
of us will die off because of the lack of electricity and a general overall lack of being able to survive without it. But you got to think like diabetics, you know, not having cooled insulin that first, I mean, let's just say the first 30 days, man, that's like,

00:47:25.34
Jeremy
I don't even know how that would go for them. I just don't. you know um I mean, it's it's kind of sad to think about it, but i can't keep you know insulin at the house. I have no need for it right now.

00:47:39.06
Jeremy
I'm not diabetic and neither is Missy. So why would I have it here? But I can have a stash of Tylenol. I can have a stash of Aleve, bandages, Coban, which is your stretch you know kind of cling wrap and stuff like that. I can have all that stuff on hand and then I can have excess to trade.

00:47:58.97
Jeremy
um It is kind of difficult to get antibiotics, especially broad spectrum antibiotics, just because you want them. But you can actually go to companies like Chase Case and you can get a stash of all of your most you know like your top antibiotics and stuff like that, like ivermectin and and you know those kinds of things.

00:48:23.13
Keith
without Without a prescription.

00:48:25.17
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Now i want to have to look into that. I think you still have to have a prescription, but I do believe that Chase has their own MDs on hand that are legally authorized to write a script. But I think the consult does have to come from your PCM. I'd have to, I'd have to dig into it, you know, a little bit more.

00:48:49.37
Keith
Now, also with with antibiotics and especially broad spectrum, and I don't i don't know about um the other one you were just talking about for diabetes.

00:48:49.50
Jeremy
um

00:49:00.16
Jeremy
you're talking about just insulin?

00:49:02.20
Keith
Yeah, insulin. But dont don't those go bad over time? don't they Aren't they not useful at some point?

00:49:08.28
Jeremy
So all medication, anything that has to do with antibiotics, and probiotics and prebiotics, they all do you know have a shelf life. A lot of it has to do with how well you store it.

00:49:22.52
Jeremy
um But say, for instance, um doxycycline and amoxicillin, those are your two, probably your two most widely used broad spectrum antibiotics.

00:49:34.84
Jeremy
um If you store them properly, you can keep them on hand for a couple of years. And yeah, even even and in like, for instance, some of them say, well, you know, even though that, say, for instance, I don't know, pick one, Tylenol.

00:49:39.38
Keith
Oh, that's good. Yeah.

00:49:50.49
Jeremy
Even though that Tylenol says that it expired you know last year in May, some people are like, dude, that's good for like two or three years after the expiration. as Matter of fact, my my MD, my foot person was changing my bandages after the surgery last week. And she's like, because I told her, I was like, this medication that you gave me, one, did not put me to sleep. It actually kept me up. But two, it's not doing it's not doing shit for me.

00:50:15.51
Jeremy
um and She actually was like, well, just get some Tylenol PM. I said, oh, cool. I've got some, but it's expired last May. And she's like, that's because they want you to buy more. It's still good.

00:50:26.58
Jeremy
It really is.

00:50:27.55
Keith
Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:50:28.22
Jeremy
And this is a VA a doctor telling me that. And I was like, all right, well, thank you for confirming. I already knew that, but you know I wanted to hear an MD actually tell me that. So yeah.

00:50:37.50
Keith
Right, right.

00:50:38.65
Jeremy
um And then my last, I think, what do I got for? um I'm going to go with manual hand tools. manual hand tools like screwdrivers, but even more so have you, and you have to look for them, but a hand crank drill is like, it's, they almost look like egg beaters, but a hand crank drill and stuff like that, hammer, ah construction nails, that kind of stuff.

00:51:01.69
Keith
Thank you.

00:51:06.00
Jeremy
That's going to be really, really huge because people are going to, let's say you got to leave your home and you're out there just flapping in the breeze, having a hammer and nails and like maybe a saw to build a shelter with.

00:51:18.01
Jeremy
I mean, you're living in the space age, you know, essentially. um And then you've got your fuel. So fuel is going to be gasoline, propane and that kind of stuff. And then Last but not least, I'm going to go with shelter.

00:51:35.90
Jeremy
Clothing and shelter kind of go together for me anyways, but shelter and clothing, really good gloves, you know or even cheap gloves, um good boots if you've got excess boots.

00:51:47.39
Jeremy
you know Let's say you go to Walmart and you bought like varying sizes of their cheap $10, $12 rubber boots and just stashed them and be like, you know what? This might come in handy one day.

00:51:58.97
Keith
I have my last three or four years worth of old boots. Every time I get a new set of boots, I put the old ones on the shelf and that's a barter item.

00:52:03.32
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

00:52:06.45
Keith
Hell, that's an item for me. if i If I totally destroy out one, I can always go back to those for a few weeks until I buy another one.

00:52:10.46
Jeremy
yeah

00:52:13.11
Jeremy
Those are cutting grass shoes. That's what I always call them.

00:52:15.26
Keith
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

00:52:16.34
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. So that's my, ah that's my barter list, man. I mean, I'm sure there's like a, probably a whole rabbit hole I could go down. um But again, top two, and I, and I know it sounds ugly, but if you're going get what you want, you're going to play on people's vices and people who need a drink and need a smoke, man, if you, If you want to be the quote-unquote prepared billionaire, that's how you go.

00:52:43.45
Jeremy
is

00:52:44.79
Keith
Yeah, no doubt.

00:52:44.93
Jeremy
As you go with people's vices. Yeah.

00:52:47.96
Keith
Yeah, i would definitely say that i would I would definitely say that alcohol, cigarettes, sugar, coffee, tea, these are all the things that people are going to be like jonesing for.

00:52:48.37
Jeremy
All right.

00:52:55.97
Jeremy
Man. Yeah.

00:52:59.57
Keith
I jones for them when I'm out for a day or two. I'm like, okay, where's the Dollar General? I got to get some right now.

00:53:05.21
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:53:06.84
Keith
And you were you were talking about da ah Cafe Bustella.

00:53:07.49
Jeremy
I didn't even...

00:53:10.72
Keith
Oh, that that's our favorite.

00:53:11.22
Jeremy
Uh-huh.

00:53:12.00
Keith
we we We always have that in hand.

00:53:15.06
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. cafus but I've been drinking Cafe Bustelo since I was a kid.

00:53:19.19
Keith
Nice and strong. I didn't start until probably about maybe a decade ago, but once I found it I'm like, this cheap stuff is better than the expensive stuff.

00:53:20.66
Jeremy
Oh, yeah.

00:53:28.43
Keith
It's incredible.

00:53:29.40
Jeremy
Yeah. Well, so, you you know, you find Cafe Bustelo in the bricks, right? The compressed bricks.

00:53:34.49
Keith
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:53:35.58
Jeremy
They actually have regular drip. ah cafe busello now and it's not cheap It's definitely, oh yeah.

00:53:42.39
Keith
Is that right?

00:53:43.95
Jeremy
Yeah. It comes in your regular size container.

00:53:46.17
Keith
like Like Roundup and everything?

00:53:47.70
Jeremy
yeah It's regular coffee grounds.

00:53:48.34
Keith
Like, oh.

00:53:49.85
Jeremy
Yeah. But it's not cheap. Definitely not.

00:53:51.83
Keith
Because Cafe Bustelo boasts itself as being a an espresso blend, which is nice and rich and the deep.

00:53:57.53
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

00:53:58.72
Keith
Nice.

00:53:59.16
Jeremy
It very much is an espresso blend because I've actually run that, you know, they're just your regular brick, compressed brick stuff. I run that through my espresso machine. So,

00:54:08.98
Keith
Right.

00:54:09.18
Jeremy
Yeah. Yep.

00:54:10.62
Keith
Well, and and I think it's a great list. um I agree with it 100%. And I also agree with the fact that people are going to be different of where they live, how they live, who they are.

00:54:20.80
Keith
if you're in an urban situation, if you're in a rural situation, or if you've got kids, if you've no kids, if you've got dogs, animals, all that kind of stuff, right? All those types of things are going to change. your bartering items.

00:54:32.04
Keith
And really what you want to do, I think one of the most important things you should do when you're deciding what you should spend your little bits of money, not your big money, your little bits of money for barter items is one, either try and make your stuff yourself.

00:54:48.35
Keith
Okay.

00:54:48.73
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:54:48.83
Keith
Or if you're going to buy it, ah Don't think about what you you know what you want. Think about what you can sell other people. Like you said, alcohol, cigarettes, these are vices. I don't really drink alcohol. now might Not very much at all. I do vape, but I don't smoke. um I would not need alcohol or cigarettes as long as I had my vapes going.

00:55:11.99
Keith
And I'm pretty sure at this point in time where I've where i've set myself up for ba vaping with the lowest amount of nicotine in it, that I could probably quit and be a little irritated for a week or so.

00:55:23.19
Keith
But if youre a if you were me 15, 20 years ago, heavy two-pack-a-day cigarette smoker, that was me.

00:55:23.39
Jeremy
yeah

00:55:32.36
Keith
Bad. Somebody was going to die if I didn't have my cigarettes.

00:55:36.41
Jeremy
um

00:55:38.75
Keith
Right. I'm just saying, you you would have got you. I would have given you my truck in a barter situation if you had cigarettes.

00:55:45.94
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to tell you, i went um four days after the surgery. I think it was four.

00:55:55.86
Keith
oof Without smoking.

00:55:56.08
Jeremy
Yeah. It was like four days. Yeah, yeah, I did good.

00:55:59.22
Keith
Ooh.

00:56:00.58
Jeremy
I have my pouches.

00:56:01.30
Keith
That's pretty good.

00:56:02.30
Jeremy
um I've got more pouches on order. i I think I have the pouches that I prefer. Like I tried the Zenz, heartburn every time, man. I tried a couple other brands, but I found a brand that I like.

00:56:15.29
Jeremy
They last a really long time. um And I've kind of settled that that's going to be – If I'm going to, if, if I'm going to quit, I'm just going to basically replace one addiction for another at this point, because I'm willing to accept one.

00:56:33.11
Jeremy
If I can get away from the other, if that makes sense.

00:56:34.78
Keith
Yeah, no, that's, and that's exactly what I do with vaping. So it was, ah it was, you know, and i and when, and when I went to vaping from cigarettes, it was that day I was on my way to get a pack of cigarettes.

00:56:37.75
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:56:46.17
Keith
And I actually started vaping that day, went to a vape shop, said, Hey, I want to quit smoking.

00:56:48.23
Jeremy
Hmm.

00:56:49.77
Keith
Can you help me out? I said, have a seat. ah But I was also on the heaviest nicotine that you can get ah in, you know, in vaping.

00:56:56.98
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:57:00.03
Keith
So the only thing I was trading was the tar, right?

00:57:00.28
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:57:03.86
Jeremy
Yes.

00:57:04.01
Keith
Because you don't get the tar when you're vaping. But that negatine, it will kill you really quick. i mean That negatine is the bad stuff, especially the stuff you get in vaping because it's a more pure negatine.

00:57:14.65
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:57:14.66
Keith
Instead of coming from a plant, it comes from chemicals.

00:57:15.80
Jeremy
Yeah. So,

00:57:18.04
Keith
you know It's the actual chemical that you get.

00:57:19.96
Jeremy
Right. So what I, from what i understand, like I'm using the Alp pouches right now. Um, it's the brand that, um, Tucker Carlson promotes. It's his company.

00:57:29.27
Keith
Is, is, yeah, he's, he says he carries it on his, like he's got like a holster for it or something.

00:57:34.14
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. They actually have some good stuff, but I went and I actually, i they have a couple of, uh, uh, dealers.

00:57:40.38
Keith
Is it like dipping?

00:57:41.91
Jeremy
It's well, for some, I would imagine it is, it's a pouch and it's not tobacco.

00:57:44.70
Keith
Okay. Right.

00:57:46.99
Jeremy
It's the actual, it's just, it's like powder inside.

00:57:51.93
Keith
Okay.

00:57:52.16
Jeremy
It's, it's kind of hard to describe, but it's, it looks like a white powdery pouch. Um, And I used to dip also you know many years ago. And for some reason, giving up dipping for me was super easy. I just stopped.

00:58:05.14
Jeremy
um But I'll throw in a pouch. it's so And i went I started with the threes. um And it just didn't it felt like it didn't last long enough. like I would spit out you know the one. And then within a little bit of time, I'm like – damn i really want a cigarette so i would toss in another and i was like i need to up my dosage a touch and make it mat last longer so i went up to the six milligrams and that's like for me personally that's a sweet spot for me so and with these particular pouches the alps it does not give me heartburn it doesn't it's not like i don't know what it is about zins

00:58:46.20
Jeremy
ah But for some reason, i just it just automatically gives me heartburn. I don't know why. You know, I just because you don't have to spit. But that particular brand, it gives me it gives me bad heartburn.

00:58:58.74
Keith
Hmm.

00:58:59.90
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:59:00.70
Keith
That's interesting. Well, uh, in that same vein, you can also, go a different route. Like I said, you can buy or you can make. Now what you can do is you can get yourself a still.

00:59:11.65
Jeremy
Mm hmm.

00:59:11.99
Keith
And by getting a still, you can make your own grain alcohol flavored and all different types of things.

00:59:12.11
Jeremy
Mm hmm.

00:59:16.22
Keith
And you can also, that would be a great bartering item, something that you could be making right there.

00:59:19.00
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:59:20.62
Keith
Now you will, you will need, you will need sugar, uh, corn mash, know, whatever it is that, that it is that you're making. you know, whatever alcohol you're making, you're going to need those items.

00:59:27.78
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:59:30.96
Keith
But you can get those things in big bags and you can mylar pack them and and seal them, which is perfectly fine.

00:59:31.12
Jeremy
Yep.

00:59:36.02
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:59:37.53
Keith
I don't think you'll have a problem finding that type of stuff anyway.

00:59:37.70
Jeremy
Yep.

00:59:41.56
Jeremy
Well, in the old days, of course, it's, you know, you got to have yeast. You got to have yeast to make corn liquor.

00:59:46.81
Keith
Yep.

00:59:47.32
Jeremy
um But corn liquor was made with water, ah your yeast, and you could use a fruit if you could not get sugar.

00:59:47.47
Keith
Mm-hmm.

00:59:57.92
Keith
That's right. That's right.

00:59:59.00
Jeremy
So your sugars are kind of, you know, it's kind of variable. If you can get your hands on fruit, you've got your base sugars.

01:00:05.86
Keith
Yep.

01:00:06.23
Jeremy
um But sugar and salt, if stored properly, last literally forever. So, yeah, they're they're a forever product.

01:00:12.76
Keith
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you'll be able to find yeast in a situation like that. But that's something that I'm interested in. I've already got a few picked out stills.

01:00:22.92
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:00:24.13
Keith
And they've got some very inexpensive ones these days you can get. Viva, Viva, or whatever. It's got a few that I like.

01:00:30.50
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:00:31.67
Keith
I'm not talking about the big, fancy, beautiful copper ones that you get for $2,000, $3,000. I'm talking about ones that are $100, $150. Hell, got them for $80, little ones. hundred and fifty bucks hell they got them over for eighty bucks little tiny ones You put it right put it right on top of your counter.

01:00:44.22
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:00:45.50
Keith
And it's li in most places, it's it's legal. People think it's not, but it is. Now, if you're making a massive quantity and selling it, you're going to jail.

01:00:54.14
Jeremy
Yeah. yeah Yeah.

01:00:55.26
Keith
That's as simple as that. ACF is going to come after you.

01:00:56.70
Jeremy
And if you're, if you're a coastal person, you can actually use a still to desalinate.

01:01:03.78
Keith
That's right. I was just about to say the same thing. Desalinate salt water.

01:01:05.78
Jeremy
Yep.

01:01:06.92
Keith
That's right.

01:01:07.08
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:01:07.24
Keith
i so I've seen people do it on. I didn't do it, I've seen people do it online.

01:01:11.09
Jeremy
Yep.

01:01:11.40
Keith
It's it's amazing. Now you got to, you got to still distill it a few times to get that salty flavor out of it, but you can absolutely do it if you want to do.

01:01:17.14
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:01:19.48
Jeremy
Yep. Yeah. It takes some work, but if you can learn how to do it, I mean, we're not going to run out of ocean, you know?

01:01:25.82
Keith
That's true. That is true. But, you know, but the aliens are living in the ocean and from what I understand these days.

01:01:31.30
Jeremy
Oh, that's right. Fucking time.

01:01:32.41
Keith
So they might, they might taint the water. I don't know.

01:01:34.23
Jeremy
The dinosaurs, they're out there.

01:01:35.88
Keith
Something's happening.

01:01:36.66
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:01:36.82
Keith
Yeah. So, yeah. So what, what I did was I went from ah a rural part on my list and I'm not going to make a big deal out of, I'm going to run through some of this stuff.

01:01:45.46
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:01:45.59
Keith
Um, but like for myself, we have lots of chickens. Therefore we have lots and lots of eggs. Uh, our next door neighbor, um, last Last year, we brought eggs over to them. We brought 80 eggs.

01:01:59.22
Keith
We had so many eggs. We were overflowing. Their refrigerator couldn't hold any more eggs. Hey, quiet.

01:02:06.59
Jeremy
Yeah, that was your dogs. I was like, I was like, who's barking down there?

01:02:07.83
Keith
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:11.07
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:02:12.12
Keith
Yeah. Uh, yeah, so we had a lot of eggs, man. And then fresh eggs. That is a great, that's a great commodity.

01:02:16.16
Jeremy
Yeah, man.

01:02:17.67
Keith
You can definitely barter with that, especially if you're going to like a barter town, like place where there's a village, a place where there's an actual market where people are going to be bartering at.

01:02:26.39
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:02:27.05
Keith
Um, it's, that's a great product.

01:02:28.66
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:02:28.97
Keith
Uh, garden products is another one. fruits, vegetables, anything that you can grow, which obviously you and I both do. And buddy, uh, lots of other people do as well. Now I don't do this one here, which is milk, cheese, yogurt, um, pasteurized type of dairy stuff.

01:02:44.76
Keith
I don't know how to do, I don't have the animals that produce it and I don't know how to make it anyway.

01:02:49.05
Jeremy
Mm hmm.

01:02:49.04
Keith
It's something that I would like to get into. I'm just not there yet. It's going take some time. But that is that that's something you can do.

01:02:53.50
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:02:55.68
Keith
Meat. Now, beef you got your beef, pork, poultry, which I have. Wild game, like a guinea turkey, that sort stuff I have. But like you said, you can also hunt for it.

01:03:07.45
Keith
You can hunt for turkey and you can hunt for venison, for deer.

01:03:07.93
Jeremy
Mm hmm.

01:03:10.89
Keith
That is a bartering, especially if you know how to jerky it, which I don't, but one day I will.

01:03:11.08
Jeremy
Yep.

01:03:17.30
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:03:17.54
Keith
that's like That's a great barter item.

01:03:19.31
Jeremy
That's another reason why you need to have salt on hand. Yeah.

01:03:22.52
Keith
You need salt for that?

01:03:24.44
Jeremy
Well, if you want to preserve your meat, the best way, honestly, is to salt it and to hang it in your smokehouse. Yeah, it really is.

01:03:32.38
Keith
Yeah, yeah. um And obviously we're to have to say honey. That's something that I do. Honey is a valued, a very valued product. And it's a can be used for many different things. It's very healthy for you. And it's also will last forever.

01:03:47.99
Jeremy
Literally.

01:03:47.90
Keith
It does not go bad. Yes.

01:03:49.34
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:03:50.74
Keith
Here's one that I just started thinking about because I'm actually making a part of my business plan this year. But seeds and seeds seedlings. If you're going to be growing stuff, you should also be trying to collect the seeds, especially if you got your heirloom type stuff.

01:04:05.18
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:04:05.46
Keith
Okay. And what I'm trying to do this year is seedlings. I've got a whole entire tray out there that I'm, I'm growing plants that I don't need because I'm going to, I'm going to try and see if I can get seedlings to get, to get up to, i don't know, 18 inches, 12 inches, 18 inches and sell them at the market this year.

01:04:22.09
Jeremy
Yep.

01:04:22.14
Keith
There was somebody that at their last year doing it. And those plants were awesome. I bought a few of them and they they turned out to be really good. So I want to see if I can get into that.

01:04:30.55
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah. And we, um I mean, just for instance, a small example, all of the flowering plants that we put out this year to keep bugs away, um Missy, as she would go along and she'd noticed they were starting to brown, she automatically went out there and started collecting the heads. The the seed is in the head.

01:04:53.59
Jeremy
And the seeds, yeah, yeah mostly marigolds.

01:04:54.55
Keith
Like your marigolds and things like that? Okay, yeah.

01:04:58.14
Jeremy
but So all of the marigolds that we grew last year were from seeds that she collected from the year prior. So now we're actually going to go into a new growing cycle of collecting seeds from these particular plants. so now two generations, now we def we have heirloom plants. We have heirloom marigolds now because we've actually regenerated the same seed from those plants for two years. Now we can have two consecutive years, years of actual marigolds. Now we have our own heirloom plants that we, we made.

01:05:32.54
Jeremy
So.

01:05:33.62
Keith
Right, right. And those marigolds have a really cool looking seed, by the way. I just planted bunch of them.

01:05:36.81
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:05:38.14
Keith
We did save a few of our seeds and I planted them and and in some small little four inch pots about a week and a half ago.

01:05:44.30
Jeremy
Yep.

01:05:45.79
Keith
And I'm already starting to see some of them pop up. So I know they're they're ah viable. if They're working. Um, let's see.

01:05:51.64
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:05:52.32
Keith
So we're moving on to, if you are a ah baker, okay. Fresh bread, pies, cookies, those type of things.

01:05:58.85
Jeremy
Hmm. Hmm.

01:06:00.76
Keith
That's a great barter item. Uh, especially if you, if you know what you're doing, you got, you got a little flour, you got some sugar, all these things that you can store mylar bags, five gallon buckets, which that's how we do it.

01:06:12.18
Keith
We buy big giant stuff and we put them in five gallon buckets, like our rice or flour and we use it. This is not just stuff we're saving. We actually use all of it.

01:06:19.90
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:06:20.66
Keith
So that's a great thing you can do. Think farmer's market, you know, things like that. those Those aren't items that people are buying at Walmart and reselling at the farmer's market. They're making them with their own hands and they're selling them.

01:06:32.24
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:06:33.86
Keith
Preserves like jams, jellies. ah I wouldn't put in in my list, I would say pickling is probably a good a good deal. But the problem with picking is it takes so much.

01:06:42.75
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:06:44.90
Keith
but You have to have a lot of jars, man. I mean, you you start you when you start getting into the pickling game, next thing you know, your shelves are full and you're buying more jars.

01:06:54.55
Jeremy
Yes.

01:06:55.83
Keith
it's so much You need so much stuff.

01:06:57.62
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you do. And I mean, honestly, and pickling is great. Stuff lasts for a super long time. But you can only eat so much pickled stuff before you're like, fuck this vinegar.

01:07:06.09
Keith
Yep.

01:07:11.02
Keith
That's true. and that That's true. it It comes in waves. It comes in waves.

01:07:15.93
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

01:07:17.53
Keith
Cause as I'll dive into a jar and I'm like throwing it down to halfway and then I'm, I'm okay for a week and a half, two weeks.

01:07:19.64
Jeremy
yeah

01:07:23.96
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:07:24.12
Keith
You know, I'm, I'm good for a while.

01:07:24.24
Jeremy
um

01:07:25.38
Keith
Yeah.

01:07:25.50
Jeremy
I have eaten our pickled okra to the point where I'm like, oh, this, this was a bad mistake. Like I can feel my pulse through my eyes. Yeah.

01:07:37.34
Keith
So that goes along with sauces, especially hot sauces, which I've been doing a lot of lately. And I've been doing a lot of hot sauces. And they're good for the ones I'm i'm doing now are getting water baths, and they're good for 18 months.

01:07:49.85
Keith
you know I would say once you open them, they're not shelf-stated. Once you open them, you've got to put them in the refrigerator. But still, that's so that's a barter item.

01:07:55.83
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

01:07:57.82
Keith
you know It's something people might want to have. Now, I started looking into, i did a little research on it, and this is something that I i didn't think of, but some some people say that in the rural areas where there's farmers and there's ranchers and there's ah homesteaders, manure and compost is in there. that That's something that they would barter with. I would never have thought of that.

01:08:19.70
Keith
Because I would need my own compost and manure for myself. But apparently it's something that people do. They bring a truckload of compost over and they they'll barter, they'll trade for something that that other farmer has.

01:08:31.10
Keith
You know.

01:08:31.70
Jeremy
I mean, i could see it. I could see it. Like, oh, yeah.

01:08:36.70
Keith
Composting takes time. You know, and and not only that, but ah if I had a whole bunch of cows, they're basically making the manure. So it's not like you're buying it.

01:08:45.34
Jeremy
Yeah, I know. I mean, that would, I could see it, but like, um like if you had your own chickens with the amount of nitrites that they produce within their, their fecal matter, I mean, you've got,

01:08:59.89
Keith
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

01:09:00.41
Jeremy
I don't know. That would be interesting one.

01:09:02.01
Keith
yeah

01:09:02.62
Jeremy
I could see trading it for like, if you said, Hey, I want to have what you have. I want to trade this for cows or a cow. Can I, can I get one of your, your cows? And then this winter I'll come over and let the bull do its thing. So that way this spring I can have calves and I can kind of continue, you know, that price. I could see that maybe, and don't know. That's an interesting one.

01:09:29.69
Keith
So from there, I went on to something that's more personal to me, and that's goods and services, which is I've been in the know service and construction sort of industry, maintenance industry for a long time. I can fix anything. I'm certified to fix pretty much anything. I've got, ah I was a licensed electrician. I've got certifications for plumbing, for HVAC. electrical, of course, ah pools and cisterns. I've got that that under my belt. Inspections, all these things. well

01:10:00.76
Keith
Construction, my dad was a was a carpenter and taught me a lot about construction and building stuff. So all of these things are essential services that I could actually barter with.

01:10:11.99
Keith
And that's something you should think about. If you're hairstylist, you have a barter service. If you know how to sharpen chainsaw blades or sawmill blades. You got something you can barter with. if You can fix small engines.

01:10:27.91
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:10:28.70
Keith
That's, you know what? There's a lot of people out there don't know how to, and they've got a small engine that needs to be fixed.

01:10:33.69
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:10:33.81
Keith
That's something you can barter with.

01:10:35.01
Jeremy
There's a lot of people out there who don't know how to sharpen a knife correctly. You know?

01:10:38.90
Keith
That's true. That's true. Knife sharpening is is definitely one of them. I have that on my list.

01:10:43.05
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:10:43.10
Keith
So things like that, building sheds, fences, repairs, like I said before, um AC and heating that you things. If you're an HVAC person, that's a pretty good one. Because remember, HVAC is not just for comfort. It's also for refrigeration, for your keeping your, you know, keeping your, ah pet not penicillin, but yeah, your medicines, you know, going. You're going to need refrigeration.

01:11:07.32
Keith
Um, splitting firewood is another one. It's a hard thing to do. A lot of people don't like to do. a lot of people can't do it physically. yeah Once, once, if you don't have the machinery, you're doing it but with an ax and you're capable of doing it. You now have a bartering service.

01:11:24.12
Jeremy
Yeah. fit

01:11:24.26
Keith
Simple as that.

01:11:25.30
Jeremy
Physical labor, I think is, is going to be definitely a thing, especially like,

01:11:26.81
Keith
Physical labor. Yeah.

01:11:32.76
Jeremy
You know, we all kind of fantasize or maybe imagine how, ah you know, this world is going to be. But, you know, given where we're at in the world now, I think after a time, stuff is going to start to improve unless it's nuclear, you know.

01:11:50.58
Jeremy
But i think things would start to improve. And that's really where your skilled laborers are going to shine.

01:11:57.78
Keith
For sure. Oh, yeah.

01:11:58.52
Jeremy
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

01:11:59.64
Keith
You know, especially during harvest season, you're going to need manual labor. You're going to need skilled laborers. I wouldn't be able to do it. I wouldn't be able to go out there and handpick something. I'm too old fat out of shape.

01:12:11.54
Keith
I wouldn't be able to do it, but I would hire people to do it.

01:12:14.10
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:12:14.08
Keith
I would barter with people that could do it, especially if I needed a couple acres of land cleared.

01:12:16.31
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

01:12:20.28
Keith
I can't. That's too much work for me. But if if I can get some young fellows and young people out there to do it and barter with something that they need, perfect. Another thing I can't do clothing and making clothes, blankets, but clothing, repairs, sewing. I'm not very good. That kind of stuff. I would definitely barter for that. If, if I needed something fixed, I could, I could barter for that type of thing. So when you're out there thinking about and this, that was my 20 items, but when you're out there thinking about bartering,

01:12:50.21
Keith
Don't just think about items, the the staples.

01:12:52.24
Jeremy
Oh,

01:12:53.37
Keith
There's lots of things that you can do that people are going to need, especially like small electronics. Like, let's say all of these little, all these battery banks and things that we have that we're running.

01:12:59.86
Jeremy
so yeah.

01:13:04.03
Keith
These things can, can malfunction. If you're able to fix something like that or radios and you're in the game, you're in the game.

01:13:09.72
Jeremy
yeah. Yeah, I mean, you think about that one movie, The Book of Eli, when he wanders into that town and he's got an old school iPod, but he doesn't have a way to charge it.

01:13:20.93
Keith
That's right. there There was a guy there he bartered with.

01:13:21.91
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:13:23.41
Keith
That's right.

01:13:23.64
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:13:23.89
Keith
Yeah.

01:13:24.04
Jeremy
He bartered to get a charge on his iPod.

01:13:26.04
Keith
It was like some hands, hand sanitizer. I think he had and

01:13:28.44
Jeremy
yeah he Yeah. He had, he had some ah ah wet wipes or not wet wipes, but the little ah cleansing napkins from like a KFC or something.

01:13:31.98
Keith
wet wipes.

01:13:35.30
Keith
hmm. Yep.

01:13:36.85
Jeremy
um But yeah, I mean, the the that's one of the movies that I always go back to. And you talk about goods and services. If you're a person, and this does is that this one is a particular, it's a two-edged sword.

01:13:48.69
Jeremy
But um if you have medical training and you have the ability to to treat some traumas and small things, c sicknesses, you're going to be another millionaire, however, comma.

01:14:00.16
Keith
sicknesses.

01:14:05.70
Jeremy
Let's say you try and you fail. you may end up You may end up having to defend yourself for somebody who, because I mean, yeah, yeah.

01:14:09.21
Keith
ha

01:14:16.06
Keith
You better have that way out in a fast vehicle.

01:14:18.81
Jeremy
I mean, because I have a lot of training. I can treat trauma stuff. I can do a lot of different things. I can't guarantee I'll save a life. And I think that if anybody who did have any kind of medical training in the supplies to back it up would have to be very reserved on what they're willing to reveal about themselves.

01:14:39.67
Jeremy
You know, if, if something was, if your services were needed. So yeah.

01:14:44.85
Keith
Yeah. Yeah. ah and ah Maybe a dog walker or someone to quiet dogs who are barking. That might be a good service you can have, too.

01:14:52.01
Jeremy
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

01:14:54.68
Keith
yeah You need something right now, man.

01:14:54.88
Jeremy
I have, i have, I, I have one of those, she lives in my house and, um, the dogs treat her and I very differently.

01:15:05.85
Keith
ah

01:15:06.30
Jeremy
Cause i guarantee you if I walked downstairs right now and I put on a particular face, ammo or Apollo, who's the one who's down there barking right now, he would go running cause you know, he's scared of me.

01:15:19.64
Jeremy
um But man, those dogs, they, as soon as I am not in the picture and Missy is with them mal alone, they act like fricking retards.

01:15:29.72
Jeremy
They go absolutely stupid.

01:15:32.39
Keith
They're kind of funny animals because in reality, ah what's the name of your dog?

01:15:38.08
Jeremy
Ammo Apollo and Athena.

01:15:38.01
Keith
Oh, Apollo. So Apollo could shred you within seconds. If Apollo knew that he could and have had some confidence, he could shred you in seconds.

01:15:48.34
Keith
He could shred all of us in seconds.

01:15:48.47
Jeremy
He could. Yeah. Yeah. Even though he's about a year and a half, he is just under ammo size.

01:15:50.78
Keith
but they But they don't.

01:15:57.78
Jeremy
And the thing about ammo is this ammo is legitimately a gigantic freaking muscle machine. The thing is, that he's such a lover boy. He's so chill that people see him and they're terrified of him, but they don't understand he's just a big freaking weenie. He's just a he's I told him the other day, I'm like, cause I have conversations with the dogs. I'm like, dude, if you don't start defending yourself, I'm going to have to stop defending you.

01:16:29.59
Jeremy
And then he just cocks his head to the side. Like, yeah, man, I don't know what you're saying. You know, it's, oh man, a bartering.

01:16:36.47
Keith
Final words on bartering.

01:16:38.89
Jeremy
Um, I would tell you when you go to shop for yourself and you're shopping for your own prepper supplies, or when you're learning skills for yourself, double up on it. If you buy five cans for yourself of pasta, buy one for your barter kit.

01:16:56.28
Jeremy
And always just kind of think in the back of your mind, I can use these things even if they're expired, if people are desperate enough to trade.