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257 Park Chickens - Shop Talk, Garden Update, and Useful Prepper Tidbits

• TOPS_POD • Season 5 • Episode 257

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Jeremy
On some of them. Yeah. On the big boats, the great big ones, like the one, the last one we did prior to this one, we were on the biggest, the biggest ship in the, the carnival fleet and man, that thing is gigantic. It's stupid. Huge. It's a city.

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Keith
Massive displacement.

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Jeremy
Yeah. I mean, those things are, those things are built to be able to stay at sea for a really long time. They create their own water. They have their own desalination plant on the boat.

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Keith
Oh, wow. From the from the ah from the salt water?

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Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

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Keith
Oh, wow.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Keith
That's cool.

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Jeremy
They have these huge turbines that bring in salt water, purify it, ah filter it, desalinate it, and that's what is pushed throughout the ship.

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Jeremy
And then they, excuse me, they take chlorinated salt water for the pools. It's just easier to keep clean. So yeah, pretty good time.

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Jeremy
Very, very, very hot.

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Keith
chlorinine it So they actually use seawater for the pools?

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Jeremy
yeah, it's chlorinated salt water. It's just filtered out and cleaned and then they pump that, uh, pump that into the pools and the hot tubs.

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Keith
Yeah. Yeah, well, saltwater pools, because I'm a pool technician licensed, and ah saltwater pools are...

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Jeremy
Mm hmm.

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Keith
are There's a lot of people that think that they're going to get a saltwater pool so they don't have to use chemicals. And that's that's not true.

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Jeremy
hmm.

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Keith
that The fact is that the the chlorine that you put in a pool, a chemical, the chlorine, is actually made in a factory. You can get it in a liquid or you can get it in in a powder or, you know, like pellet.

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Keith
And it's made in a factory. It's made by taking salt water, salt or salted water, and putting it through an electrolysis, which is huge, and it turns it into chlorine. It makes chlorine from the salt water. and It uses the salt to do that. A salt water pool...

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Keith
does the same thing. In your pool house or in your your pump room, you have a little tiny machine that the salt water in your pool flows through and turns it into chlorinated water.

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Keith
So basically, you're still using chlorine. You're just making it instead of but buying it, if that if that makes sense.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Keith
So people are like, oh, I don't use, i have a salt water pool. We don't use chemicals. Yeah, you do. You're making it.

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Keith
you're just you're Instead of the factory making it, you're making it.

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Jeremy
Yeah. Well, we, ah not that this has to do with anything that we're talking about today, but Missy has for several years talked about wanting to get a pool.

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Jeremy
And I think the only pool we're going to be able to do logistically would be an above ground pool. um But i know nothing about like maintaining a pool, but I have friends who do have pools. So I'll be like, teach me how to maintain this pool.

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Jeremy
So.

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Keith
Well, a certified pool operator a CPO, the the the class is about 40 bucks and the test is so freaking easy.

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Jeremy
Mm hmm.

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Keith
I've taken them, you know, I've taken them to the master's point and I've also, I've also have my certified pool and ah inspection license as well, which is a little bit harder.

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Keith
um That's a lot, actually it's a lot harder, but the pool one is very, very easy. and And you can do the whole thing online. Like you do the whole, like 40 bucks, you do the whole thing online and you're a certified pool operator and you will know everything that you need to know to properly run, own and maintain a pool.

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Keith
It's very, very cheap, very, very easy to do, and anybody can pass the test. Anybody with half a brain.

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Jeremy
interesting

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Keith
You don't have to learn chemicals. You don't have to, I mean, you do have to learn chemicals. You don't have to learn formulas and all this other stuff and memorize all this crap. It's very, very simple to do, believe it or not. Very easy. I've sent idiots down that worked for me for over the years to to get their c CPOs, and they come back and pass, no problem.

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Keith
And you know what, in the in the in the way of, ah ah ah you know, as far as preppers are concerned, it's good to know. ah It would be something for anybody who's a prepper to go do because you learn a ton about water and purification and filtration and all that kind of stuff.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Keith
You don't have to own a pool, but just knowing that information as a prepper is awesome. and mean, it's like you look at water in a whole different way.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Jeremy
Yeah, and I've heard a lot of people say that they they're, ah what's the word? They use their pool as a potential you know emergency backup for for drinking water.

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Keith
You can, sure. Absolutely, yeah.

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Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. But I've had friends who, as a matter of fact, Mr. Shot a hole through our house while they were stationed in Hawaii. um He hit us up and he's like, and he was renting out his house at the time. And he's like, Hey, I think, I don't think that she's maintaining the pool. And I was like, well, did she sign something that says that she's responsible for that pool?

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Jeremy
I went down there with another guy and I looked at that pool and it was a forest.

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Keith
bad.

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Jeremy
I mean, it was literally an underwater forest. It was, oh, it was more than green.

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Keith
It was just green, right?

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Jeremy
There was plants.

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Keith
Yeah.

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Jeremy
There was frogs. There was snakes. There was, it was a whole ecosystem in that pool.

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Keith
And most of the properties I worked on, it's full, it's all year round. The pool stays great. But in a lot of locations, people shut their pools down for the wintertime and they turn green.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Keith
and ah green and yucky and moldy and, and allergy and all that kind of stuff. But the truth of the matter is that's waters on earth.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Keith
That's water's natural state.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Keith
When you go and you clean it, and first of all, cleaning a a pool that's green and getting it ready for the summer is really very easy.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Keith
It takes a day. It's very easy to You pump a ton of chemicals into it. By the morning, it's crystal clear. You do a little scrubbing, a little this, a little vacuuming, and your pool is ready to go. It's not that hard to do.

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Keith
But what you're doing when you do that is you're actually bringing –

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Jeremy
yeah

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Keith
the the water to a very unnatural state. You're cleaning it to the point where it is crystal clean, it's pure, you can drink it. Water doesn't like to be that way. It likes to be the other way.

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Keith
so yeah yeah And that's what you're constantly battling.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Keith
If you own a pool or a cistern, if you're a prepper who's stockpiling water in big tanks, you have to do the same thing. That water is going to turn just like a green pool if you don't properly take care of it.

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Jeremy
Yeah, I know some, I don't know how they do it, but I'll have to learn if we do end up with a pool, but. There's some folks I know that they're able to, they cover their pool for the winter, but they're able to keep their water clear and then come, you know, springtime when it's getting ready to, they're open a pool, they uncover it.

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Jeremy
um And then they, you know, do a water test, see what it needs and, you know, zap it with a little bit of chemical here and there, and then their stuff is ready.

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Keith
Yeah.

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Jeremy
So I'll just have to,

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Keith
Well, yeah, but don't, do you get like, ah do you get like extraordinarily frozen winters?

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Jeremy
me

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Keith
You're, you're kind of in the South, aren't you? With North Carolina is considered a South state, isn't it?

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Jeremy
Yeah, Southeast. It's, um I mean, we do get cold winters, but, no.

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Keith
Yeah.

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Keith
Do your lakes freeze over? See, that's you're in a place where you can do that with a pool or a cistern.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Keith
All you have to do, and we used to do this in Texas all the time, and we get freezing weather in Texas.

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Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

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Keith
All you have to do just keep the is keep the the the water flowing, keep the the filter filtration going. As long as the water is moving, it will not freeze. As long as it's moving, you're good to go.

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Jeremy
Right.

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Keith
if that thing cuts off and you're in a frozen land like New Jersey, it's going to freeze overnight.

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Jeremy
Oh yeah.

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Keith
But you know where you're at in like places like Texas, you can actually do that.

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Jeremy
Yeah. yeah.

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Keith
you can keep them going. Even the properties we had in like ah Wichita. Actually, i don't want to say Wichita because I had some problems with some properties over there where they froze up really bad.

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Keith
um the zero the The what's it called? The infinity pool and froze over like ah like a frozen waterfall.

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Jeremy
oh yeah Really.

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Keith
was crazy. But yeah, in Kansas City, we just we just kept them you know kept them going all year round.

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Jeremy
Really.

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Keith
They were fine.

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Jeremy
Huh. Yeah, I've got a lot to learn if we do end up doing it. um I mean, we've got, i'm I'm trying to make my honey-do list last until I'm dead. So it's like, I got to pick up my pick my battles.

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Keith
So ah when are you getting a pool?

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Jeremy
<unk>s There's no timeline. I know that she's always wanted one in the backyard.

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Keith
Oh, okay. I mean, who doesn't, right?

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Jeremy
me

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Keith
mean, come on.

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Jeremy
Right.

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Keith
It's a pool.

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Jeremy
Our our backyard is conduced, not really, in my opinion, conducive to a back or to a pool. And we've got and I know that, you know, a pool technician would have to go in and like do the 411 thing because I know like I was going to do a ah French drain coming out of the entrance to our crawl space.

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Jeremy
Um, and I called four one, one and you know, the electric for the, AC units is all right there.

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Keith
what Wait, let's go back a second. What's 411? What that?

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Jeremy
4-1 or is it 8-1-1?

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Keith
what what is that

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Jeremy
I think it's 4-1. Well, so you call 4-1-1 or it yeah, I think it's 4-1-1. They come out and anybody who has utility in your area comes out and they have the meter and they go along your lines and they go along and they look for all of the, they look for electric, they look for cable, they look for internet, fiber, water.

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Keith
Oh, in Missouri, they got a thing called a call before you dig or something like that.

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Jeremy
Yes, that's exactly what it is.

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Keith
It's basically the same thing. Okay.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Keith
Okay.

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Jeremy
Yeah. So um yeah, it is.

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Keith
It's free. I think, I think it's free.

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Jeremy
So anybody and you give them the address, you have to, you have to go through and put in a request and then they send it out and um they come out and they're supposed to mark the lines um and, you know, do all that kind of thing.

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Keith
Mm-hmm. Yeah. um yeah

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Jeremy
so But yeah, I realized when they did that, the we we had to do it once for when we built the deck. And then I did it again when I was getting ready to, I was going to rent the Ditch Witch and go ahead and start digging my lines.

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Jeremy
And they came out and right where I wanted to dig is where those lines were running. And I'm like, damn it, I have to.

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Keith
Well, they should be at least three foot or more under the ground.

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Jeremy
i shit

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Keith
So I don't think you're going to be digging a ah ditch three feet in the ground.

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Jeremy
should be in reality.

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Keith
Yeah, i get I get it. You don't want to blow up.

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Jeremy
Cause like we had a, we aerated the yard and um an aerator doesn't go super duper deep.

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Keith
No, only a couple of inches.

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Jeremy
Yeah. I mean, there was like weight on the back and all that. And you know, you can see the little plugs coming up and you know, everything's fine. We had a service that came out and did it. And then we're were looking and we're like, Hey, there's no internet.

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Jeremy
So I'm start walking around and I looked and I could see orange and

00:14:20.86
Keith
Oh, shit.

00:14:26.38
Keith
Okay, I take that back.

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Jeremy
yeah.

00:14:28.79
Keith
Electricity has to be 36 inches or more under the ground.

00:14:32.25
Jeremy
oh

00:14:33.66
Keith
other And gas, but other stuff like phone lines and all that, no, that' that doesn't have to at all.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

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Keith
Plus, you have to remember, if you didn't buy that home, whoever owned it before you could have done all kinds of stuff.

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Jeremy
Well, Missy's lived here since it was built in 94, but this particular, um, this particular company, so spectrum runs the internet out here and they're trash, but, um, it's supposed to be according to their company, 12 inches.

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Keith
Oh, there you go.

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Jeremy
And this, this shit was like on the surface.

00:15:03.88
Keith
That's nothing.

00:15:04.39
Jeremy
Like you could see, you could actually see the orange cable where it got cut.

00:15:07.84
Keith
ah

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Jeremy
And, um,

00:15:10.25
Keith
That's crazy. And you got sandy loam out there, so it may have degrade a little bit.

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Jeremy
Oh yeah. It, it's, it starts to float up over time.

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Keith
and Yeah, yeah.

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Jeremy
So, cause the water, the water table here is high anyways, water, you know, during big storms, it starts to get up underneath there and we have upheaval.

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Keith
Yeah,

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Keith
yeah yeah. Like septic tanks can actually come up out of the ground in your area.

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Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've got, so our septic tank is ah the original one with the house, but ours was built with the guy who comes and pumps our stuff.

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Jeremy
He calls it, it was built the old way. So our tank is really thick cement.

00:15:41.98
Keith
oh nice cement. and Yeah.

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Jeremy
And he's like, he's like, you guys still have a long you know life with this particular tank.

00:15:46.51
Keith
Yeah. Yeah. It's good.

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Jeremy
At some point in time, the leech lines may have to be, you know, replaced or something along that. But I mean, we get our stuff pumped, I think like every three and a half years.

00:16:05.00
Keith
I think we're ready. I think we're about come up on three years. So we're probably ready to do ours again.

00:16:08.66
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:16:09.96
Keith
Because we had ours in brand new.

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Jeremy
Yeah, we started looking yeah we started looking for the signs, like a little bit of a slow drain. And for some reason, and I think it has to do with the fact that our main from the upstairs bathroom and our master batt bathroom goes straight to the the tank.

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Jeremy
So you'd be taking a shower, hot water's running, and you turn off the shower and all of a sudden there's this funky butt smell. And I'm like, yeah, it's definitely time to get that sucker pumped.

00:16:38.47
Keith
Well, there're there should be P-trap in there someplace. I mean, at least one P-trap.

00:16:43.86
Jeremy
There should be. And I believe that there is.

00:16:45.11
Keith
And that's that's what keeps the gases out.

00:16:47.38
Jeremy
Yeah. But whatever, you know, with the tanks, our tank is pretty big, but when once it's getting to the point, like if I start to smell something funky, I can tell that it's time to start doing something.

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Keith
Yeah. Well, and a lot of times with um with ah second floor buildings, ah second floor you know floors, um the P traps, because the water you know goes goes down through there and then goes goes ah goes through the P trap and then falls.

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Jeremy
Yeah.

00:17:16.06
Keith
Sometimes it falls with such like veracity that it actually pulls the water out of the P trap.

00:17:22.65
Jeremy
yeah

00:17:23.29
Keith
The P-trap is designed to capture water, and it captures water in there. And what that does is it keeps keeps the gases from coming back up into your toilet or your sink or your shower. That's what P-traps do. They're not like to catch your ring when you when your ring goes down the drain. That's not what they're for. P-traps are to keep the the the gases come from coming up. and And you know what? The ancient, I think, Romans or maybe it was even the – uh the one the other ones out now in the ocean i forget which ones they are um the greeks i think the greeks were actually the ones who actually came up with that it was pretty pretty intelligent we still use the exact same system to you know this today so it's crazy

00:17:56.39
Jeremy
Really?

00:18:03.06
Jeremy
I know, um down in St. Augustine, Florida, the Spanish built that castle ah out there.

00:18:10.97
Keith
oh yeah i know which one you're talking yeah

00:18:12.76
Jeremy
Yeah, and it is, ah it's pretty cool because like, you know, they're basically their bathrooms were and for a fancy outhouse that was above the ocean, uh, water and they had rocks and stuff down there and the water would come in during tide, take away all the poo wash it out.

00:18:30.07
Keith
Oh.

00:18:36.15
Keith
Mm-hmm.

00:18:36.82
Jeremy
And then they would do their stuff.

00:18:38.22
Keith
Fish eat it.

00:18:39.19
Jeremy
Yeah. And it's, um, it is a pretty ingenious,

00:18:45.66
Keith
And then and then the the the fish eat it, and then the people eat the fish, so it's like a big you know cycle.

00:18:50.14
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

00:18:50.98
Keith
It's pretty ingenious.

00:18:52.18
Jeremy
Yeah. That's why I don't like, uh, I don't know. I don't eat certain fish, you know, they're like, oh, you gotta try this tilapia.

00:18:56.06
Keith
yeah

00:18:58.85
Jeremy
It's so good. That's not real.

00:19:00.22
Keith
It ate your shit last night.

00:19:01.27
Jeremy
Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Tilapia is not real. that's like Like birds are not real.

00:19:09.08
Keith
I don't like tilapia, man. if To me, you know what it's like? for me I think it's like taking bread and putting it in water. It just falls.

00:19:15.79
Jeremy
Hmm.

00:19:16.64
Keith
It's like nothing. It's like an airy, nothing.

00:19:17.88
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:19:19.00
Keith
you know Give me some salmon, man. I want something thick and like meaty.

00:19:23.54
Jeremy
Yeah, i don't I don't like it. it's it's As soon as i I realized what it is, um I'm like, oh, that's disgusting. That's not real. That's not a real thing.

00:19:36.28
Jeremy
So, yeah, definitely not doing that.

00:19:37.69
Keith
Well, and I mean, I know this is a prepper show, but we could talk this kind of stuff. Preppers like this kind of stuff. what What exactly is tilapia?

00:19:43.84
Jeremy
Hmm.

00:19:44.85
Keith
What are you talking about?

00:19:46.33
Jeremy
Um, so tilapia, it is a farm mostly, uh, uh, is a farmed fish and it is from what I understand.

00:19:58.51
Keith
it feet off the bottom or something?

00:20:01.12
Jeremy
And this is kind of maybe, maybe shooting from the the wrong angle, but it is, it was invented. It was created.

00:20:11.02
Jeremy
It not a real thing.

00:20:13.21
Keith
Oh, it was bread bread for people to eat.

00:20:13.44
Jeremy
And I'm going to try to, um, Yes. And I'm going to try to make sure that I know exactly what I'm saying.

00:20:17.43
Keith
Ah.

00:20:22.94
Jeremy
um But I'm going to figure it out. And i just, i I refuse to eat it.

00:20:36.18
Jeremy
I refuse to eat it. I just can't do it. I can't do it. So, yeah.

00:20:40.31
Keith
Well, one of my favorite fishes is a catfish and catfish are bottom feeders.

00:20:43.61
Jeremy
Oh, yeah.

00:20:44.51
Keith
I don't care if they are tasty, especially when you fry them up.

00:20:48.02
Jeremy
Yeah. I mean, i like catfish a lot, but for some reason I will not eat a tarp or I mean not tarp. What am I saying? A carp.

00:20:56.56
Keith
Carp.

00:20:57.11
Jeremy
Yeah. Carp for,

00:20:57.82
Keith
I don't, I don't like tarps either, especially the blue ones.

00:21:00.54
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:21:01.30
Keith
Camouflage tarps, eh, not so bad, but the blue ones I don't like. No, you said carp.

00:21:05.69
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. I am. i am not going to do that. When I was stationed in Georgia, i used to fish this area. It's literally the river separating Alabama and Georgia and they had great cat fishing in there.

00:21:18.90
Jeremy
So get down to the river, got my cooler beer, got my bait, got my snacks, doing all this stuff. And i got, I can see, i can see this really, really, really nice channel cat.

00:21:31.29
Jeremy
And I've got whatever stank bait I had on there and I was dropping it down and I'm wiggling it. And um all of a sudden, out of nowhere, this insanely huge carp just came up and just snagged on.

00:21:45.24
Jeremy
And I was like, son of a god And I'm sitting there and I had, I want to say, 80-pound test on there because some of the some of the channel cats in the the blues down there in the in the river Georgia, they get big.

00:21:47.35
Keith
Those things get big.

00:22:00.76
Jeremy
So I'm reeling and I'm reeling and I'm reeling and I got this stupid fish on my line. i bring it in. getting the hook out and this homeless dude ran over to me and he's like, Hey man, you gonna eat that? And I was like, hell no.

00:22:14.23
Jeremy
and he, he asked if he could have it. I was like, dude, take it away, man. He was over there like immediately, you know, scaling that thing down and and eating it.

00:22:21.46
Keith
i I honestly, I didn't know people actually ate carp. I mean, they're a funky looking, i mean, they're big and giant and they got a lot of meat, but they're funky looking.

00:22:26.44
Jeremy
Uh, in some places, yeah

00:22:32.07
Keith
They got ah like a huge sucker thing on their face and it's like, it's weird, man.

00:22:35.19
Jeremy
yeah yeah i mean chakosian up to one of those things like yeah but in some places from what i understand it is in some it's a delicacy but like even like there's a bunch of different types of of carp like uh for instance koi fish koi fish or carp you know um you've got your your carp that live in the river you got all kinds of different carp

00:22:39.42
Keith
Nope. I don't

00:22:47.27
Keith
know.

00:22:54.62
Keith
oh oh oh okay

00:23:00.09
Jeremy
But I mean, as far as like trash can eaters, um like them and catfish, they'll eat anything, you know, live or dead. But for some reason, I can't just, I can't bring myself to eat a carp for, I just can't.

00:23:15.64
Jeremy
I just, I won't do it. Now, catfish, I'll eat catfish all day long.

00:23:19.32
Keith
oh yeah

00:23:20.02
Jeremy
Yeah, bread that, fry that, put some hot sauce and mustard on there. Oh my gosh. Oh, that would be great. Now, according to Google's, and I think this is actually lying to me, so I'm gonna have to talk to my FBI guy about this, but it says that tilapia is a real natural fish belonging to the chichlid family, not a manufactured or fake product.

00:23:44.95
Jeremy
I guess that whatever it was is, is a viral internet rumor. I'm going to go ahead and stick with what I, I think.

00:23:49.62
Keith
It must be, but I bought, I've, I've had, used to get it because it's so inexpensive, but every time I eat it it's like, what am I eating? I feel like I'm eating like fluffy, like wet bread. It's just weird. it's Too much air. And I don't know if I'm always hungry afterwards.

00:24:06.36
Jeremy
Yeah. I mean, it says it's high in high in protein and low in saturated fat, though it contains fewer healthy omega-3 fatty acids. But

00:24:14.33
Keith
I would imagine. Yeah. Cause it's so white.

00:24:16.67
Jeremy
I just, I don't know, man. I don't think it's real. Like, I don't think, I don't think pigeons are real.

00:24:20.25
Keith
But I mean, look, in this,

00:24:21.89
Jeremy
I think pigeons are are a government product. i I think they're spying on us because you can, I'm sorry, but you cannot make, you cannot convince me that there is a bird as stupid as the pigeon that still thrives and it's not a surveillance mechanism. I don't think so.

00:24:42.32
Jeremy
It's just, there's no way.

00:24:43.58
Keith
In an SHTF, you're going to eat carp, you're going to eat tilapia, you're going to eat pigeons. I'm sorry, but that's what's going to happen.

00:24:49.88
Jeremy
Now I have seen in in New York city down there in central park, central park is beautiful. it doesn't make any sense to me that it's in the middle of New York city.

00:25:01.56
Jeremy
Um, but I've seen.

00:25:02.50
Keith
Well, it keeps people from, from you know, it it helps to keep people from going into depression because living in a city.

00:25:07.80
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. But I will say there are homeless pigeon hunters in central park and these guys are good. Like they,

00:25:17.46
Keith
Is that right? I never heard that before.

00:25:18.36
Jeremy
Oh man.

00:25:19.30
Keith
I've been in Central Park many, many times.

00:25:19.51
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:25:20.82
Keith
Never heard of that. It's crazy.

00:25:21.56
Jeremy
Yeah. They, they are good, man.

00:25:22.30
Keith
What are they doing, like bow and arrows?

00:25:24.36
Jeremy
They're up early there.

00:25:25.38
Keith
Or what are they hitting them with?

00:25:26.38
Jeremy
Well, they have all kinds of homemade stuff, homemade slingshots.

00:25:29.61
Keith
Slingshots? Yeah.

00:25:30.30
Jeremy
Yeah. All kinds of different things that they craft and I've seen them. I've actually seen them out there and you can see them out there and they're stripping down a whole pigeon because pigeons and doves are like pigeons are basically fat doves.

00:25:42.01
Keith
Yeah.

00:25:43.70
Jeremy
That's what I kind of like compare them to.

00:25:43.74
Keith
Yeah. yeah

00:25:46.36
Jeremy
And they're out there stripping them down and having themselves a a good meal.

00:25:51.16
Keith
Park chickens.

00:25:52.41
Jeremy
You need to write that one down. That's going to come in handy later.

00:25:58.23
Keith
That'll be the name of the episode.

00:26:04.18
Jeremy
Well, besides bantering mindlessly, what are we talking about today?

00:26:08.06
Keith
Yeah, well, I mean, we're going to talk about the... i mean We're not going to do anything too deep today. We're going to have a heavy episode next week ah with some some you know some stuff.

00:26:16.12
Jeremy
Yes.

00:26:18.47
Keith
i I don't want to give it away just yet, but...

00:26:18.97
Jeremy
Yes. I still have research to do.

00:26:20.95
Keith
So, yeah yeah, we'll keep it light. I want to just kind of go over that to gardening. and We're having such challenges right now with the garden, so I thought maybe we'd help some people out of maybe they're having it too.

00:26:29.82
Jeremy
Yes.

00:26:32.46
Keith
And I did look through to the internet and it seems like everybody is getting hammered with their gardens right now.

00:26:39.35
Jeremy
Yeah, this, um well, this super El Nino is definitely not helping. I can say that and it's just the start of it.

00:26:46.04
Keith
And it's just the start of it.

00:26:48.76
Jeremy
But while we were gone on that trip, apparently, and we weren't expecting a lot of rain. Of course, you never know what to expect here, but apparently it rained significantly while we were gone.

00:27:01.53
Jeremy
And we came back and everything just like exploded. So our okra is like insanely huge.

00:27:12.28
Jeremy
Um,

00:27:12.57
Keith
And where they're like a foot long.

00:27:14.39
Jeremy
Well, no, I'm talking, so and we conducted an experiment. So we started a bunch of okra in the greenhouse when it was still cold, transplanted it out in the garden, same soil, same, you know, mix.

00:27:28.44
Jeremy
um And they have been producing a pretty good amount of, you know, actual okra that we've been eating. But we hand-sewed, I forget how many blunts total, but in an equal size box, we hand-sewed a bunch of okra and jalapenos.

00:27:45.08
Jeremy
those okra are almost taller than Missy and they have thick, thick stalks, but they haven't fruited yet. But the leaves are like, you dude, they're fricking enormous.

00:27:57.74
Jeremy
They look like radar dishes.

00:27:59.61
Keith
but But they should have fruited by now, yeah especially in your location.

00:28:02.26
Jeremy
so So the ones that we did originally in the greenhouse and then transplanted them early, those have already been fruiting and flowering. These ones we sowed later,

00:28:14.17
Jeremy
So we sowed those, oh gosh, it's probably been, i don't know. i'd I'd have to find out from Missy exactly when we did that, but it was significantly later. And we wanted to put some, get some more peppers in the ground.

00:28:29.18
Jeremy
And we wanted more okra. We were out of space in some of the other boxes. So I made another box and then did the same kind of soil mix. And i'm telling you, the the picture that I sent you guys, that that far left box that's facing the picture, that's all okra and jalapenos.

00:28:47.62
Jeremy
But those okra are enormous.

00:28:47.99
Keith
Wow.

00:28:49.88
Jeremy
So we're still waiting for them to flower and fruit. But I got a feeling that once they start flowering and coming out, man, we're going to have okra coming out of our frigging eyes. um

00:29:00.66
Keith
Yeah. Does that, ah the ochre goes all the way until the first frost, right?

00:29:05.24
Jeremy
Yeah, last year we were, we were harvesting okra up until like, I want to say October, November timeframe.

00:29:13.97
Keith
Yeah.

00:29:15.13
Jeremy
So, cause it doesn't really start getting cold, cold here until yeah, I'd say mid to late October going into November. So, but um yeah.

00:29:25.50
Keith
Yeah. Yeah. But the first frost is when, when they'll, when it'll kill it off. Yeah. Same with the pepper plants, man.

00:29:30.65
Jeremy
So, yeah.

00:29:31.77
Keith
It's like overnight, like the frost comes in and they're gone. It's crazy.

00:29:35.99
Jeremy
So I do want to overwinter some more plants this time. And i we were able to prove that our overwintering did work. That one jalapeno that survived the winter um and the ah lemon pepper Um, ah like or lemon, the lemon drop peppers, those survived.

00:29:53.58
Keith
11 drops. Yeah.

00:29:56.27
Jeremy
Those are going bonkers. We have,

00:29:57.75
Keith
I don't have any of those. I wish I did. i should have got some of those last last season.

00:30:02.39
Jeremy
dude, we, we have so many that we froze from last season and I've already been freezing them this season. We have like tons and tons of them.

00:30:10.96
Keith
Mm-hmm.

00:30:11.22
Jeremy
um Our tomatoes are now starting to give us fruit. And these are the Cherokee purples.

00:30:21.31
Jeremy
Man, they're so freaking good. yeah oh did Did they stop completely?

00:30:24.76
Keith
Hours stopped.

00:30:29.35
Keith
Yeah, I'll counter. Before you keep going, I'll counter on your on your deal. Starting with the ochre, we had the nine plants. I i grew those from seed indoors. And I'll ask you a question on on yours. ah when When you did yours in the greenhouse, you you started from seed in the greenhouse, right?

00:30:48.06
Keith
Okay. did the did you have to over Did you have to harden them off to the sun when you pull them out or do they get hardened off in the greenhouse?

00:30:56.59
Jeremy
I want to say, I would say that they got hardened off in the greenhouse.

00:31:00.98
Keith
So when you transplanted them, they didn't have too much of a problem.

00:31:03.90
Jeremy
No, no, no.

00:31:04.57
Keith
Okay.

00:31:05.26
Jeremy
But they were, they were slow going. first And I'm not, I'm not a hundred percent sure why.

00:31:08.31
Keith
Yeah. Yeah.

00:31:11.80
Jeremy
And I don't know if it was because of the drought that we had or or what. I mean, they're not super duper heavy feeders, but they are you know, to a point, um even though they're related to a they're related to actually a couple different things, but they're, you know, they have that flower and ah it's a very, very pretty, pretty flower, but they actually kind of grow more like jalapenos or really like peppers in general.

00:31:33.30
Keith
Yeah, the flower is beautiful.

00:31:40.70
Jeremy
um They need the heat.

00:31:42.02
Keith
They're hard, hardy.

00:31:42.52
Jeremy
They need the sun. They're very hardy. um But it's it's weird because the ones that we directly sowed after, you know, i don't, it was hot still.

00:31:55.21
Jeremy
Like it was hot. We just planted these things like maybe a month and a half ago and they're ja they're just gigantic.

00:32:00.02
Keith
Okay.

00:32:02.84
Jeremy
and And they just now, even after growing to height, They're just now starting to flower and they'll be producing fruit here soon, but man, these things are tall.

00:32:12.98
Keith
Yeah. So, so yeah, so we did ours indoors and we got them out into the garden and and they they did have a bit of a trans transplant shock to it. And that happened for like three or four weeks, maybe, maybe two or three weeks.

00:32:23.02
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:32:26.62
Keith
um But now they're, they're probably about, you know, person height. um yeah I would, I would say Missy height cause she's kind of short. um You know, um I would say, yeah, I'd say it's about right.

00:32:37.76
Keith
But yeah,

00:32:38.19
Jeremy
thats

00:32:39.51
Keith
I mean, you know, I would say, I'm not saying she's not a person. That's not what I meant. I'm saying, you know,

00:32:44.40
Jeremy
Yeah, she's not a midget, but technically, but she's, you know, I am on a good day.

00:32:47.87
Keith
you're well, you're you, you said you're short. And in all the pictures, she's shorter than you.

00:32:53.56
Jeremy
Yeah, on a good day, if I stretch, like crack my back, roll everything out, you know, do some some like vertigo jumping jacks, I'm about five six But when I joined the army back in 1994, was just a hair above five, eight.

00:33:12.82
Jeremy
So I have shrunk like significantly.

00:33:15.12
Keith
You shrunk. Yeah. Oh, I shrunk about two inches since I was younger, just from ah from my weight and all that kind of stuff.

00:33:19.42
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

00:33:21.50
Keith
But but anyway.

00:33:22.11
Jeremy
Missy on a good day is like five. I'll give her five, one about that.

00:33:27.38
Keith
oh yeah. OK.

00:33:28.09
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:33:28.22
Keith
So what yeah our yeah, we've got the most of them up are about that height. And the one trip and we've been getting okra now for well over a month. I mean, I've got jars of it already canned on the shelf in the pantry.

00:33:39.21
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.

00:33:39.86
Keith
um But the problem we're having with the okra is that, you know, you got to catch it in that like two to four inch, you know, size.

00:33:49.52
Jeremy
Yes.

00:33:50.11
Keith
And the problem is you got a, you got a two inch one out there today and tomorrow you go out there and its six inches long.

00:33:50.42
Jeremy
yeah

00:33:55.87
Keith
I mean, they, they just explode.

00:33:56.28
Jeremy
yes

00:33:57.99
Keith
I don't know how that happens.

00:33:59.48
Jeremy
They grow at night. So a lot of those types of plants, they grow at night and they grow their exponential growth, right? So there's not a lot of stuff that predates on, on okra.

00:34:11.13
Jeremy
Ants hate, I don't know what it is. it's like a, ah I don't know if it's a hate, hate relationship.

00:34:14.08
Keith
Yeah, we don't have any bugs on the okra.

00:34:16.28
Jeremy
but ants will attack the shit out of ochre for some, some, for some reason.

00:34:19.93
Keith
Is that right?

00:34:22.87
Jeremy
Now I have had aphids on the, uh, on the ochre, on the leaves.

00:34:26.09
Keith
The leaves.

00:34:28.26
Jeremy
We've killed off a couple of Chinese beetles on the leaves. Um,

00:34:31.38
Keith
Oh, yeah, we got those suckers, man. I hate them.

00:34:33.40
Jeremy
but i know it so like if we if i find aphids i mean or if i find ants i immediately start looking for aphids because ants will will like herd aphids because of that they put out like a sweet like sort of liquid out their backside to yeah the aphids do and they

00:34:49.62
Keith
they The A-Vids do. Yeah, it's like a greasy, it's like greasy.

00:34:54.33
Jeremy
Yeah, and the ants want that liquid so they're there to protect the aphids and then they suck that fluid out of their butt. And it's a weird relationship.

00:35:05.53
Jeremy
But like aphids don't make any sense to me either.

00:35:06.45
Keith
That's...

00:35:08.60
Jeremy
So I sort was like, how do aphids get onto a plant? You know, just simple Google search. Dude, they're everywhere all the time anyways. They travel in the wind. They're in the dirt.

00:35:20.41
Jeremy
they are They just...

00:35:21.08
Keith
They're super tiny.

00:35:22.78
Jeremy
Yeah. And they just exist, you know?

00:35:24.95
Keith
Yeah.

00:35:25.08
Jeremy
And when I found those green apple aphids on our apple tree, i was like, what in the hell is that?

00:35:25.68
Keith
Mm-hmm.

00:35:31.86
Jeremy
I didn't even know there were green aphids.

00:35:33.85
Keith
And you can, the thing about aphids is you can wash them off.

00:35:36.54
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:35:36.64
Keith
I mean, you can you can use neem oil and stuff like that to kill them. But honestly, you can just take a garden hose and just wash them off your leaves. They fall into the ground and, you know, maybe a week or so later, you might get a few more and you wash them off again.

00:35:47.61
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:35:48.36
Keith
They're not terrible, but, you know.

00:35:48.44
Jeremy
Yeah. No, but the thing is, is

00:35:50.56
Keith
if you and Now, if you let them if you let them go, they they'll destroy your plants.

00:35:53.91
Jeremy
Yeah, and they don't they don't do their their business on top of the leaves. You got to like catch them on the underside.

00:36:01.50
Keith
On the underside, exactly.

00:36:02.33
Jeremy
Yeah, so when I go out there, you know, I'll i'll take a spray bottle of the neem oil with me and all I'd start doing is I, if I see ants, I start turning over leaves and lo and behold, there I'll find them.

00:36:13.98
Keith
Ah, interesting.

00:36:14.26
Jeremy
Um, one thing we are, our squash, our squash and our zucchini and that kind of stuff is just now starting to recover.

00:36:26.87
Jeremy
Like it's just now recovering to the point where I think we might actually get a single fricking zucchini this time. Like, Because almost immediately, and we went, we've been we've been diligent. We have been checking. we i did find some you know squash bugs. We found some squash bug eggs. We got rid of I've been out there you know doing my due diligence. And I go out there one day and I'm like, why is this entire squash plant laid over?

00:36:58.58
Jeremy
And I looked and there's a frigging vine borer in there. So we, we did some, we did some looking at videos and trying to figure out, can we rehab this thing?

00:37:09.94
Jeremy
And what I did was any one of the stocks that looked really, really weak. And just in general, I sprayed them heavily, heavily with neem oil. And then we wrapped the bottom of the stock in aluminum foil.

00:37:24.57
Jeremy
So we pulled off a couple of the bottom leaves.

00:37:25.81
Keith
Oh, that's different.

00:37:26.73
Jeremy
Yeah. So we, we pulled off some of the bottom stems and leaves and then put aluminum foil at the base. Now it's been probably, i don't know, maybe a month since we've done that. All of those plants are stood up.

00:37:41.66
Jeremy
We have full thick stems

00:37:42.64
Keith
What does the alarm, what does it do? Is it just support it or does it do something?

00:37:46.36
Jeremy
Well, it's a support, but it's also blocking out the vine borers.

00:37:46.64
Keith
but What does it do?

00:37:51.48
Jeremy
So when it...

00:37:52.31
Keith
you got to get away down where the dirt is.

00:37:54.10
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. You got to get it all the way down to the dirt and you got to treat that soil too. So I actually saturated the dirt with neem and neem itself.

00:38:04.94
Jeremy
It's um it's, it's not even necessarily like super toxic. Like it's not necessarily good for us, but if you've ever gotten it on your skin, it creates this tacky it's, it's like very tacky.

00:38:15.35
Keith
It's yes. Yes.

00:38:19.45
Jeremy
And what that,

00:38:19.66
Keith
Yeah. And you're also supposed to add a dish soap and that even makes it worse.

00:38:24.02
Jeremy
Yes. So you can do dish soap, you can do dish soap and like blue Dawn is what's recommended, but that and, um, uh, uh, baking soda and you basically just generate a spray, but that neem oil and the same thing with, um, like the blue Dawn, it gets on their carapace and it dries out their carapace and it basically starts to make, make it crumble.

00:38:29.68
Keith
Yep.

00:38:34.77
Keith
Hmm.

00:38:51.42
Jeremy
And kind of like the same thing with diatanasius earth, people try to figure out like, is it just this powder that's poison?

00:38:54.16
Keith
Yeah.

00:38:58.03
Jeremy
It's actually not, it's not, there's no poison in it.

00:38:59.22
Keith
It's not a poison at all.

00:39:00.33
Jeremy
It's pulverized powdered, uh, seashell rock, um, crustacean, that kind of thing.

00:39:04.91
Keith
Crustaceans. It's very glassy.

00:39:07.70
Jeremy
And yeah.

00:39:08.24
Keith
It's very it's like made of silica.

00:39:10.10
Jeremy
And it gets in the carapace of crawling insects and it literally shreds them apart.

00:39:15.35
Keith
Shreds them. Yeah.

00:39:16.15
Jeremy
So, mm-hmm.

00:39:16.66
Keith
And also it's organic. Neem oil and diet smashes are, they're all, they're organic. So that's something you can do.

00:39:21.75
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:39:22.62
Keith
Sometimes look, man, sometimes you can't, you can't stay organic. Sometimes you just have to get some sort of, you know, poison and kill it.

00:39:27.64
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:39:30.64
Keith
It sucks, but you you know, one, you want to be organic so you can say you're organic or do you want to eat food?

00:39:36.54
Jeremy
yeah

00:39:36.95
Keith
You know? So that's, that's the payoff.

00:39:38.58
Jeremy
Yeah, we do have to be somewhat cautious with what we use here because our garden, our eating garden is on the more of the down part of a slope of our yard.

00:39:51.00
Jeremy
So anything I put above it, I have to be cautious because it'll it'll eventually float down into the the garden where we grow our food.

00:39:58.85
Keith
Yeah, okay, yeah.

00:39:59.92
Jeremy
But like, for instance, after we get done, i got to go back in the backyard and I'm going to spray for fleas and ticks because I had a Lone Star on me, pulled it off just in time, but now I've got this like itchy bite mark where it was.

00:40:14.72
Keith
Mm-hmm. Yeah,

00:40:15.97
Jeremy
And we've, I don't know, we've had a couple that we've pulled off the dogs. I found one on the the curtain, you know, it's, it's not that we don't get ticks, but I,

00:40:22.04
Keith
yeah. yeah but

00:40:27.45
Jeremy
i

00:40:30.54
Jeremy
I'm imagining Bill Gates is floating around here somewhere, just dumping ticks in our yard. Like, But since we did have a drought though, i will say since we had that drought, if the only one good thing came out of it, the ticks have not been as bad this year as they have in past years.

00:40:43.33
Keith
Yeah, kills the ticks. they suffer They suffer terribly un with drought conditions. They love water.

00:40:51.10
Jeremy
Good.

00:40:51.43
Keith
they love moisture.

00:40:52.57
Jeremy
Good. Fuck them. actually I'm serious.

00:40:54.06
Keith
That's what I say.

00:40:55.96
Jeremy
It's like, i I, I can't express the amount of hatred that I have for ticks. Um, it's like deep, I blame Eve, you know, i don't think Adam was in the garden surrounded by ticks.

00:41:03.89
Keith
Yeah, me too. Me too. Ugh.

00:41:11.42
Jeremy
I don't think he was, but, um, yeah, yeah.

00:41:14.89
Keith
He'd be like, I'm out of here. No, with you know, June for us, for the Midwest and for like the Plains, Oklahoma, places like that, the June is the bad month when it comes for ticks. It's they're freaking everywhere, man. But then it starts, it starts to lighten off, especially now when it's really, really hot. Now, don't get me wrong. I had, I pulled a tick off me this morning. I was on the the wood mill cutting a log down and I had, I had a tick crawling on me. So they're, they're still there and they're still around and I've got a ton of chickens eating them.

00:41:42.02
Keith
Um, but, uh, it's not as bad as in June. It was just horrible, man. It was a bad year.

00:41:47.35
Jeremy
yeah

00:41:48.79
Keith
So let me get back to what I was saying. So what I was saying was the, the okra, uh, it is fruiting and we got not, we only have nine plants. We pull, um an okra, probably one or two okra off each plant every day or other day.

00:42:00.89
Keith
Let's call it that. So by the end of the week, I've got a couple of jars worth of okra that I can, I can work with. But a lot of times we just miss it and they get too big. We're saving all those and she's drying them out, Rhonda, and she's going to get the seeds so we can use them for next year.

00:42:16.18
Keith
The corn, now the corn, which is right next to it, was completely decimated by squirrels.

00:42:16.21
Jeremy
yeah

00:42:21.70
Keith
And when I mean decimated, they ate through the stalks. They crushed them down to the ground. They jumped all over everything, just destroyed the destroyed our corn.

00:42:31.83
Keith
And we had...

00:42:32.15
Jeremy
Are you sure it was squirrels?

00:42:34.47
Keith
There's nothing else that can get in there. We have a, f we have a heavy duty fence all the way around. i mean, what else could it have been, you know, and it would happen overnight.

00:42:40.31
Jeremy
I mean, raccoons, raccoons can get pretty chunky, but they dig.

00:42:47.66
Keith
raoon Raccoons could, could easily climb up the fence and get in, but I've never had a a raccoon problem in the, in the garden. Do you think that raccoons will go after corn?

00:42:57.37
Jeremy
so yeah, dude.

00:42:58.62
Keith
Really?

00:42:58.68
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Everything goes after corn. That's why hunters use it to attract deer.

00:43:01.20
Keith
Well, ah yeah, but i but I thought that but no but i thought that ah raccoons were like meat eaters. I they were going in for meat.

00:43:07.70
Jeremy
No, no, no, no. They're omnivores. They eat anything and everything.

00:43:11.18
Keith
ah So, yeah, it could have been raccoons. I mean, they crushed them, man. They just knocked knocked them over to stalks, and every single corn is gone. There's there's no ear of corn left.

00:43:19.99
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:43:21.48
Keith
there just They disappeared. Not even pieces of them on the ground.

00:43:23.90
Jeremy
So. We are corn. We don't have that problem. We have, and I, I blame this year's weather on this, uh, significantly.

00:43:36.23
Jeremy
So our corn started out great. We started in the greenhouse transplanted it. We have a corn per bucket and these are heirloom jewel corn.

00:43:46.60
Jeremy
So like the original corn, like corn, it's supposed to look yeah.

00:43:47.74
Keith
Nice. Yeah. Mays.

00:43:50.47
Jeremy
Maize. And I've always wanted to grow it and

00:43:54.45
Keith
Does it taste good?

00:43:56.06
Jeremy
um I had it once when I was a kid. ah European yellow corn was introduced to this country. that That is not what corn, like the corn that people buy in the store was bred to look like that and taste like that.

00:44:09.88
Keith
I mean, sweet corn. I like it. I mean, I i love sweet corn, man.

00:44:12.70
Jeremy
I mean, yeah, the sweet corn is this, you know, it's a great product. It's, it's wonderful. Um, but it's, and they do have heirloom sweet corn, but heirloom that phrasing is kind of, it's kind of misused heirloom seeds can be created through two to three generations of growing.

00:44:36.01
Keith
Oh, oh, I thought it was more like 10 or so, doesn something like that.

00:44:39.03
Jeremy
um I mean, so like, for instance, our flowers, like outside, we have a bunch of the the flowers that bugs don't like.

00:44:40.09
Keith
Okay.

00:44:47.35
Jeremy
that What the hell are they called?

00:44:49.06
Keith
Marigolds.

00:44:49.69
Jeremy
The marigolds.

00:44:50.74
Keith
Mm-hmm.

00:44:51.32
Jeremy
We have the, we are now in our third generation of the same plants that we started a couple of years ago. So we deadheaded the original flowers, saved the seeds, replanted them. Then those plants grew from the previous season's flowers.

00:45:10.16
Keith
Ah, gotcha.

00:45:10.49
Jeremy
Then we took those flower heads, deadheaded them, saved the seeds, and we've continued that. We have those same seeds that we've consistently been regenerating every year.

00:45:21.82
Jeremy
So, and I might have to do a little more research, but now that we're on our, I think this is the third or fourth generation, we basically have made heirloom, you know, flowers.

00:45:31.06
Keith
Right, okay. Yeah, right, right.

00:45:33.85
Jeremy
So all they do.

00:45:35.04
Keith
And we're saving ours as well. We have we have a little plastic cut road jug. I'm not sure what was. Maybe it was a peanut butter jar or something.

00:45:41.98
Jeremy
hu

00:45:42.25
Keith
And we keep that out in the garden. And whenever we see some dead marigolds, she pulls them off. the they We pull them off there and we just sprinkle the seeds into that bucket. So it's it's about ah it's about a quarter full right now.

00:45:52.52
Keith
It's a lot of seeds, man.

00:45:53.72
Jeremy
Oh yeah, they're full of seeds and all the the other flowers that we've been growing. i posted it on the Facebook page with that caterpillar thing that I made. I made that for the grandkids, but in reality, the other reason I did it is so at the end of the season, when those zinnias and stuff start to, you know, die off, we're going to deadhead them and save the seeds. And that way next year we're putting out wildflower seeds that we grew from the previous year.

00:46:19.66
Keith
Yeah, yeah.

00:46:20.25
Jeremy
So, but yeah, yellow corn, you know, yellow European style sweet corn. Um, those were, it was created to be that way. So they took, you know, the, the, the, uh, the stock of one kind of corn that was size wise, they took this corn and they were like, Ooh, that's pretty good. And then they made a bigger, sweeter corn just by cross pollinating and doing those kinds of things. And eventually.

00:46:48.18
Jeremy
you ended up with the kind of corn that we have today. Yeah.

00:46:52.50
Keith
Well, the the the the mutant raccoon squirrels loved my corn, ah ate it to death, destroyed the plants. And the pe the beans that are all around it that were growing on the corn, they're at the point where they're drying up now anyway.

00:47:07.18
Keith
So we got pods. We got pods.

00:47:08.60
Jeremy
yeah

00:47:08.93
Keith
you know That's what you want. But I was really hoping for a much bigger ah pee growing and i'm gonna ah bean growing, and I'm do that. next year. We're we're making notes right now of what we want to do and what we don't want to do for the following year.

00:47:20.57
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:47:21.33
Keith
you know So, oh, and we got a giant section of potatoes that have completely died off. So we're going to be able to pull those up out of the ground. She's got a couple of buckets of potatoes that she was experimenting with.

00:47:31.95
Keith
And yesterday she dumped one and got, I don't know, like like you buy a bag in a grocery store, she's got like two bags worth of a worth of potatoes out of a five-gallon bucket, man.

00:47:32.15
Jeremy
Yep.

00:47:39.53
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:47:41.02
Keith
That's a lot.

00:47:41.17
Jeremy
Dude, it's awesome.

00:47:41.93
Keith
That's a lot.

00:47:42.44
Jeremy
It's awesome. So we grow, we like to grow the reds. Missy likes red, the new potatoes. um

00:47:48.93
Keith
Yeah, me too.

00:47:50.07
Jeremy
And i wanted to wait a little bit longer, but I think the Irish inner took over and she just started lusting after potatoes. And um well, when we got some, I think I sent you guys pictures.

00:47:59.64
Keith
Pulled them too early.

00:48:03.26
Jeremy
We got a couple of pretty decent ones and we've already eaten them. Um, but really once the plant dies off and you know, the actual, the stalk is mostly gone and dried up, give it about another week and a half, almost two weeks.

00:48:19.65
Jeremy
And it helps that skin harden over onto the yeah.

00:48:22.87
Keith
In the ground.

00:48:23.99
Jeremy
It hardens over on the actual potato.

00:48:25.14
Keith
Ah, okay. Good.

00:48:27.26
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:48:27.41
Keith
Good to know. I know that you can, that they'll preserve in the ground. I knew that.

00:48:30.78
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:48:30.83
Keith
i did just just didn't know the timing of it. Okay.

00:48:33.08
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:48:33.41
Keith
That's great.

00:48:33.48
Jeremy
I mean, a week and a half is is probably safe.

00:48:33.70
Keith
and That's good to hear.

00:48:37.36
Jeremy
But the thing is, is potatoes don't need a tremendous amount of water. So we realized on our first time trying to grow potatoes that we were, we you know, we go out there and we water the garden. We water the potatoes. Didn't think anything about it. We were actually killing the potatoes.

00:48:54.20
Jeremy
So we reduced.

00:48:55.04
Keith
Well, shoot, i hope i hope I didn't because I watered them just like I watered the corn and the okra because they're all in the same area.

00:49:00.30
Jeremy
Hmm.

00:49:01.43
Keith
m

00:49:01.53
Jeremy
we We reduced our watering of the potatoes to about once a week.

00:49:05.75
Keith
Well, okay, that's what we were doing once a week.

00:49:07.20
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:49:07.66
Keith
Okay, so and not counting or not counting rain because rain, you know.

00:49:07.74
Jeremy
Yeah. But when we started out at first, yeah. When we started out at first, we were out there watering every day, just not thinking about it. And we went to go dig up potatoes, you know, thinking we were going to have these giant honking potatoes.

00:49:23.25
Jeremy
They were about the size of dimes, nickels, quarters.

00:49:25.83
Keith
Oh, that's small. Yeah.

00:49:26.94
Jeremy
And then one of them would have been like about, about palm size. And then we kept digging and all the ones that had gotten over watered were just slime and mush and full of worms.

00:49:38.36
Jeremy
So yeah.

00:49:38.41
Keith
Is that right? Oh, okay.

00:49:40.82
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:49:41.14
Keith
Okay.

00:49:41.98
Jeremy
So.

00:49:42.45
Keith
Well, so yeah, so that's the that's that side of the garden. And you were talking also about your about some of your brassicas. You said, well, not brassicas, but you said squash. we're doing We didn't plant any any squash ah yet. We're going to plant winter srosh squash. It is seeding right now. And we're doing a little experiment. We're going to plant it in about two weeks, maybe three weeks, after all this heat goes away. and see how it does it needs to have cool weather but i'm hoping that uh you know come the end of august september when it gets when it cools off around here then it's going to really take off from that point that's what we're hoping for and that's what the you know that's what the books say the the logs say that that's what they say to do so all of our squash last year didn't do well because of the heat it just they just didn't do well plus i think we had some bugs now brassicas our cabbage, um cauliflower, broccoli, um what else we had, the Brussels sprouts, all that stuff, every single bit of it was completely decimated by bugs.

00:50:47.28
Jeremy
can't even you

00:50:47.38
Keith
It was eaten ah within two or three days. And we had a gigantic section just for that. i mean, enough to, you know, in succession planting that we could have eaten all the way through till winter.

00:51:00.29
Keith
All of it completely decimated. We had to pull every single plant out of the out of the ground. Sucks, man. Really sucks. It's a lot of work, man.

00:51:07.93
Jeremy
i can't even tell you how much i hate cabbage moths

00:51:15.86
Keith
ah It has to be them. It has to be.

00:51:17.18
Jeremy
It is. So I was out there one time and I'm like, and it was overnight. I'm like, what in the hell happened? to this and I started peeling open our, um, we had out there where we have the, had the Brussels sprouts, which are a brassica.

00:51:36.27
Jeremy
We had bok choy, which is a cabbage.

00:51:38.27
Keith
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:51:39.45
Jeremy
Um, we had a couple different types of cabbage out there and it was in a cool shaded area should have been perfectly fine. And overnight it just looked like somebody started coming in there and chewing incessantly.

00:51:52.54
Jeremy
And I never paid attention to what was floating around. So during the heat months, you that's when I learned in the lesson, don't plant this crap during the heat. that That's just, it's just dumb. It's the white cabbage moths and they're itty bitty, tiny little moths and they float around. They plant those eggs deep, deep inside of the actual, ah like the creases of the leaves.

00:52:16.18
Jeremy
And I started pulling those open and you can see like web. It looks like so they almost look like silkworms. And it was just these freaking cabbage moss just literally overnight decimated our stuff.

00:52:21.98
Keith
Right, right.

00:52:28.86
Jeremy
Oh man, I was so angry.

00:52:29.38
Keith
that's that's i didn't see i really didn't see any kind of webbing, but I didn't look closely. i just know that the all of the leaves on everything were just, they were down to like, so they were skeletalized, which I don't know if that's ah if that's a cabbage moth that does that, but something did that.

00:52:45.66
Jeremy
Yes. Yes.

00:52:46.93
Keith
So ate it ate it right down to the bones.

00:52:47.24
Jeremy
That's exactly what that is. Now I also learned.

00:52:50.26
Keith
Right.

00:52:50.81
Jeremy
Yeah. I also learned that, um, uh, uh, what is it called? The, it's a yellow and black butterfly. It is the swallow tail, the swallow tail butterfly really, really,

00:53:00.79
Keith
Oh, is that the one I took a picture of or a video and I sent sent you?

00:53:03.80
Jeremy
Maybe.

00:53:04.73
Keith
think it was.

00:53:04.79
Jeremy
They almost look like some people can confuse them with monarchs. So the big difference between a monarch and a swallowtail is monarchs have an orangey tint.

00:53:08.95
Keith
Okay. Okay.

00:53:14.09
Jeremy
Orange almost to red. Swallowtails are a bright yellow and black. And um they like stuff that's related to essentially oregano. So oregano, cilantro, dill, um and some other stuff like that.

00:53:32.57
Jeremy
so first first time we ever noticed them i went out there i love dill and um we did not get a single freaking dill plant this year at all so first time this happened i walked out there and i was getting ready to crop uh some dill because we dry it and we save it and there's these little worms in there and i was like you gotta be shitting me man so i started like pulling them off and i took out the google lens And sure as shit, it was a swallowtail butterfly larvae. And it was, they were everywhere, like all over the place.

00:54:05.91
Jeremy
And it came, they came in overnight and you know, they're pretty, they are technically pollinators. You know, people will create sacrifice crops to bring them in.

00:54:17.14
Jeremy
So sacrifice crops are basically a secondary garden that is not for consumption. Technically it's so it like pull pests away from your main garden.

00:54:29.30
Jeremy
And do these things started getting after the deal. And then we started finding them on all types of stuff. So it's just, it's weird, man. Nature is metal, but it also pisses me off. it's It's so stupid. Sometimes it me angry.

00:54:46.30
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:54:46.56
Keith
Yeah, Rhonda built a ah bug motel. ah I don't if you've ever seen them, or hotel, whatever they call them. um it's It's like a whole bunch of little stuff stuck into these wood panel, like a wood panel.

00:54:58.36
Keith
And we we put it about 25, 30 feet away from the garden.

00:54:58.69
Jeremy
Hmm.

00:55:02.39
Keith
And ah bugs live in it. they go in it takes It takes a year or so to kind of build up. Um, that's one thing we did. We also, she also built a, um, a crow stand, which we're bringing, we're bringing in the crows.

00:55:13.75
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:55:15.06
Keith
Now we can see them coming around there.

00:55:15.48
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:55:16.83
Keith
They're coming down, taking the peanuts. So she's building a bigger one too. That's really good for, cause crows will sit right up there on top of your garden, you know, right by your garden. And they'll just dive bomb bugs in your garden.

00:55:24.92
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

00:55:27.73
Keith
They'll just come in, take them right out of the air and swim, go right back up.

00:55:29.72
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:55:30.79
Keith
They're awesome. Plus they also protect the, uh, the chickens, which is another good thing because, um, hawks are petrified, terrified of, haw of, um, crows.

00:55:31.70
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:55:42.68
Keith
And so they, when they see crows, they won't come anywhere near your chickens.

00:55:42.87
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:55:46.42
Jeremy
Yeah. And I think that's, aren't isn't that why you're supposed to have a a black chicken in your, in your roost?

00:55:53.91
Keith
Yes. Yeah. You want to have some black. We have a black, Australorps. We have, I think four of them and, uh, they're, they're beautiful, but they're black, just like a, like a crow.

00:55:59.26
Jeremy
Okay.

00:56:03.52
Keith
So that, that does help. Um, so that's, that's really good.

00:56:05.34
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:56:07.52
Keith
So let's move on. Cause we're running out of time. Let's move on to the tomatoes. Um, we did really, really well with our tomatoes up until this point, I've got all kinds of sauces, uh, in the pantry.

00:56:18.64
Keith
They were water bathed and heated and all that, and that their shelf stable for a year. They're in the pantry, so that we did good with that. But the heat wave, and this is natural, but this heat wave we got right now is it's it's caused a ah stoppage or whatever you want to call it in the in tomatoes.

00:56:34.81
Jeremy
Yes.

00:56:35.86
Keith
like just They stop growing tomatoes.

00:56:37.91
Jeremy
well

00:56:38.45
Keith
this They stop appearing.

00:56:38.78
Jeremy
Yeah. I want to say it's, if I'd have to go back and double check, but I think it's 82 degrees. It might be a little bit lower than that, but I think 82 is like the number where tomatoes will stop.

00:56:50.49
Keith
Sounds about right, yeah.

00:56:54.58
Jeremy
Yeah. they're They're still there. They're still you know gathering energy, but they they won't ripen past that a certain point.

00:57:01.24
Keith
Right.

00:57:02.36
Jeremy
The only problem with that is is when they're stagnated, they're still taking on water.

00:57:04.54
Keith
They die.

00:57:08.06
Jeremy
And that's where you end up getting splittage. Now we've had ah we got a bunch bunch of ours, our Cherokee purples.

00:57:09.75
Keith
Yeah, they split.

00:57:16.14
Jeremy
And when we came back from the cruise, they were huge. They were beautiful looking. We pulled them off anyways, but they were definitely split from all the rain. um Oh yeah, they just cut that stuff away and put it right back in the in the compost.

00:57:24.18
Keith
Yeah, but still edible. Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:29.01
Jeremy
But a lot of people wait too long to pull their tomatoes. And we, as soon as we see pink in a blush, we actually pull them.

00:57:37.66
Keith
Yeah, definitely.

00:57:38.30
Jeremy
And we put them into a paper bag upside down. And what it does is they release a gas to, and it, yeah, inside the bag.

00:57:46.41
Keith
In the bag, yeah.

00:57:48.31
Jeremy
And all it does is it just increases the speed that they ripen. Yeah.

00:57:55.83
Keith
Yeah, and and i did I put a video on the Totsbucker YouTube channel last week. It's on there right now. it's ah It's not a short. It's a long it's long form, but it's only like two or three minutes about tomatoes and um about the vine-ripened tomatoes because people buy vine-ripened tomatoes in the – grocery store and they think it's something special.

00:58:05.81
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:58:17.10
Keith
It's not.

00:58:17.40
Jeremy
Mm hmm.

00:58:18.54
Keith
It's not technically a vine ripened. All they do is cut the vine when the when the tomatoes are green and they put him they put them in packaging, like like paper bags, but packaging, specialized, and they truck them off to the grocery stores.

00:58:24.68
Jeremy
Yep.

00:58:31.18
Keith
And by the time they get to the grocery stores, they have turned red.

00:58:34.17
Jeremy
Mm hmm.

00:58:34.29
Keith
You're not actually getting vine ripened. Even though it says it on the box, you're not getting that.

00:58:38.21
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah, if you if you want vine ripened, grow black cherry tomatoes and go out there when they're just a little bit beyond blushing and you pull them off and we snack on them when we're gardening.

00:58:50.45
Keith
Yeah.

00:58:50.87
Jeremy
Oh my God, those things are so freaking good. but

00:58:52.77
Keith
Yeah, we got a ton of those cherry tomatoes. We did all the ah Cherokee green and Cherokee purples. They were unbelievable. We did the brandy wines, the but the pink brandy wines, the yellow brandy wines.

00:59:03.44
Jeremy
Dude, yellow brandywines.

00:59:03.56
Keith
um just The yellow ones are unbelievable. If you haven't had, talking to the listeners, if you haven't had a yellow brandy wine tomato, grow this plant or go you you are definitely missing out.

00:59:12.54
Jeremy
You are missing out.

00:59:15.56
Keith
The flavor is, you can't even describe it, I don't think.

00:59:18.78
Jeremy
No, it's almost like a sweet but smooth taste. And it's really hard to explain, but they're not acidic like store-bought tomatoes.

00:59:27.35
Keith
hard to explain. umm It's like ah almost like a fruit.

00:59:33.08
Keith
No, no, not at all.

00:59:34.42
Jeremy
um Most of your Cherokee purples, not acidic like a store-bought tomato.

00:59:37.98
Keith
Nope.

00:59:38.74
Jeremy
And as a matter of fact, now that I really think about it, The only time that I've ever had, and this is why I don't grow them anymore. The only time I've ever had a somewhat acidic tomato that we have grown are beefsteak tomatoes that are just for slicing.

00:59:52.79
Keith
Beefsteaks, yeah. I've got a whole garden full of of beefsteaks and they are they are acidic.

00:59:54.14
Jeremy
i

00:59:58.82
Jeremy
I don't really care for them. I just, i

01:00:00.29
Keith
But see, theyre they they they make really good sauce.

01:00:03.35
Jeremy
yes, they do.

01:00:04.41
Keith
good slicers, you know, but I also find that the the cherries, the mountain cherries and the the white cherries, I find those to be a little acidic. do yeah The white cherries are not, I don't, I don't have a problem with those.

01:00:11.61
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:00:14.64
Keith
And also the teardroppy, I don't know what they're called, but they're kind of like teardroppy.

01:00:14.74
Jeremy
Black cherries or not.

01:00:19.60
Keith
They're about three inches long, yellowish.

01:00:21.66
Jeremy
Talking about Romas?

01:00:23.06
Keith
No, they're like yellow, the tomatoes.

01:00:24.90
Jeremy
Oh. ah

01:00:26.04
Keith
I don't know what they're called, but they're not acidic and they're very tasty.

01:00:29.88
Jeremy
Yeah, we do like Romas, but our is ours did not do well. um

01:00:34.04
Keith
No, our whole entire a Roma, ah we're not doing them next year. This is two years in a row now, and they they grow, they're small, they just don't come out right.

01:00:38.20
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:00:42.60
Keith
And I got them from Johnny Seed, which is a great seed company.

01:00:45.11
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:00:45.75
Keith
They just don't do well. I don't know how, maybe there's maybe there's something I'm missing, but I'm not doing them next year. It's just a waste of space.

01:00:52.35
Jeremy
I'm starting, i know what the packaging says for like Roma's and I've done the research on the Roma's, but I'm starting to wonder if Roma tomatoes are more of a cool to cold weather tomato.

01:01:05.46
Jeremy
Cause there are tomato varieties that grow in the cold and

01:01:09.39
Keith
In the cooler weather, for sure, yeah.

01:01:11.03
Jeremy
Yeah, because they grow they grow tomatoes in Russia that can tolerate, not freezing freezing, but can tolerate cold.

01:01:18.49
Keith
Cool, yeah.

01:01:19.29
Jeremy
Yeah, it's, ah I'm trying to, i don't know, I don't know. um I might try one more time, but I know that the ones that we had, they were starting to grow. They were coming up and then nothing, just absolutely nothing.

01:01:30.64
Keith
Yeah.

01:01:31.27
Jeremy
they mean The plant itself didn't even progress.

01:01:34.64
Keith
Well, imre we're going to get to peppers and stuff like that and on our next garden update. um

01:01:39.36
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:01:40.54
Keith
Cucumbers are what they are. I mean, anybody can grow cucumbers. It's very easy to do. We've got tons weve got tons of jars of pickled stuff in the ah pantry from cucumbers. But the last thing I'll talk about really quick is it's the first time we've ever grown them.

01:01:54.36
Keith
I got to tell you, if you're not, I put a video out or maybe I'm about to. I forget. Tomatillos.

01:02:01.32
Jeremy
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:02:02.56
Keith
If you have not grown tomatillos, this is another thing just like the yellow brandy one. If you have not grown tomatillos, you've got to do it. They are very easy to grow. They're like a big bush. I grew six plants or maybe maybe five. it was five.

01:02:17.11
Keith
They're about five or six feet tall. They're kind of bushy. And the tomatillos just keep popping off of them. I mean, and if you ever had a tomatillo, I mean, a fresh one off of your off of a tree,

01:02:29.64
Keith
It's unbelievable, man. It's you bite into it. First of all, you can eat the whole thing. The the seeds and all everything is edible. The you don't have to cut anything off of it. It tastes to me. It tastes like a cross between, i would say, an apple, a pear and a tomato.

01:02:48.62
Keith
And I know that sounds weird, but it is like a it's like a fruit. And it's like you can sit there and eat them right off the vine.

01:02:52.78
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:02:55.14
Keith
They're amazing.

01:02:56.09
Jeremy
So tomatillos, tomatillos have a paper that, you know, kind of like an onion.

01:02:56.22
Keith
Absolutely amazing.

01:03:01.70
Keith
husk

01:03:02.23
Jeremy
Yeah. So it has a husk and you have to, you have to kind of, you're supposed to wait until that husk starts to split and open up and the fruit inside is what you're eating.

01:03:13.24
Jeremy
But tomatillos are naturally supposed to be somewhat, not and extremely, but somewhat spicy. And they have a tacky, really?

01:03:22.36
Keith
They aren't, ours are not spicy at all. Not even the slightest bit.

01:03:26.14
Jeremy
Well, we and I know in in a lot of Spanish cooking, or maybe it depended on the variety you got, but in Spanish cooking, we actually use tomatillo what we call aguacate, or like what some people translate to avocado. But you can actually make a what looks like guacamole, but there's actually no avocado in it. And we use tomatillos for that.

01:03:47.41
Keith
Is that right?

01:03:48.31
Jeremy
Yeah, and we also use them for what we call chelaquiles.

01:03:48.68
Keith
Huh? Well,

01:03:52.15
Jeremy
You make a green salsa with that and jalapenos.

01:03:54.36
Keith
yeah. Green salsa. Yeah.

01:03:55.47
Jeremy
Yeah, and you put that over tortillas that are fried, and it it soaks in that salsa.

01:03:56.05
Keith
Yep.

01:04:00.02
Keith
Oh yeah.

01:04:01.26
Jeremy
But tomatillos that I've always had are, it's not like tremendously spicy, but there is a like ah tang behind it.

01:04:09.59
Keith
Maybe I have a different type of species. I'm not i'm not sure. um but ah But they are amazing.

01:04:12.72
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.

01:04:16.95
Keith
it's like It's almost like a fruit and a tomato to me all in one and juicy. You can bite right into it. You can eat it It's delicious. they have when they When they're growing, they grow the husk.

01:04:28.31
Keith
they They have this husk of appears. It's like a pouch.

01:04:31.80
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:04:32.35
Keith
of leaves, right?

01:04:32.43
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:04:33.50
Keith
And inside it starts to grow, grow, grow, grow.

01:04:33.91
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:04:36.31
Keith
And it grows so big that it busts out the the husk. It separates it. And right when the tomatillo is about to fall off the, that's when you pick it.

01:04:46.65
Jeremy
yeah

01:04:46.68
Keith
They go from green and there's three different flavors now. There's green, it goes to yellow, then it goes to yellowy purple. And each one of those stages is a different flavor. And I can tell you right now, Rhonda made,

01:04:59.66
Keith
It's a Tomatio jam, and we when we water bathed and bottled it or canned it, and now we got it on our shelf.

01:05:03.37
Jeremy
Oh Yeah.

01:05:07.49
Keith
It is unbelievable, man. you could put it on You can put it on toast. You can eat it with peanut butter. Put it on ice cream. You can put it on meat, whatever you want. we had a We had a cucumber.

01:05:16.63
Jeremy
yeah

01:05:19.52
Keith
avocado and onion salad that she made two days ago. We're just finishing it up today. And instead of using store-bought dressing, she used the tamatillo sauce that she made and she put it in there.

01:05:33.25
Keith
Unbelievable, man.

01:05:34.58
Jeremy
Wow.

01:05:34.64
Keith
All from our garden. Every single bit of it, 100%.

01:05:37.78
Jeremy
Yeah. Well, i'm um'm I'm doing a little bit of looking up here and it says that tomatillos are not spicy. But I'm wondering if the ones that I had in the past, you know, coming up.

01:05:50.33
Jeremy
um

01:05:50.31
Keith
Well, be a different breed of them, you know, species.

01:05:52.22
Jeremy
It could be. Yeah. I didn't know that they went to those different colors, but they they're an amazing crop to have. They are hardy. Um, and I'll finish off with next year, the, if there's only one thing I want to definitely try in next year, I want to try to grow the, the Jerusalem artichoke.

01:06:01.79
Keith
Very hardy.

01:06:12.12
Keith
Oh, man.

01:06:12.28
Jeremy
Um, it's not from Jerusalem and it's not an artichoke, but it is a very, very hearty root bound, like root legume.

01:06:15.26
Keith
No.

01:06:22.34
Jeremy
Um,

01:06:22.56
Keith
we They grow naturally all over our area. We see them constantly when we're you know driving out or you know driving to places, but we we have searched our property and we cannot find a single one, man.

01:06:33.62
Keith
Not one, but they're naturally growing here.

01:06:33.75
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:06:36.34
Jeremy
Yeah. I, I definitely want to try to do that next year. They, anything that you can do with the potato, you can do with a Jerusalem artichoke.

01:06:46.20
Keith
Right. And I heard that the nutritional value is like a superfood.

01:06:50.20
Jeremy
Oh yeah. Yeah. The stalk is edible. The leaves are edible.

01:06:53.24
Keith
They say it's a ah serious prepper a plant.

01:06:53.28
Jeremy
The yeah.

01:06:56.60
Keith
It's a you know it's a plant.

01:06:57.14
Jeremy
Yeah. And a lot of people who do like meat rabbits and stuff like that, they use Jerusalem artichokes as a, like a large, like a large amount of what they, um, they feed their meat rabbits because it is such a well-rounded plant.

01:07:12.98
Keith
Oh, wow.

01:07:14.46
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:07:14.93
Keith
I didn't think about that. You can feed your your animals with it too.

01:07:18.20
Jeremy
Yeah. And they say you plant it once.

01:07:18.89
Keith
it's all It's an all around survivalist plant. It really is.

01:07:21.85
Jeremy
Yeah. When they say plant it once and as long as it takes, it's going it's going to stay there. So you can you can grow it year after year after year.

01:07:28.04
Keith
Oh, like, like asparagus.

01:07:31.41
Jeremy
Yep, exactly.

01:07:32.45
Keith
Hmm. All right, then we'll finish it off with that. And, uh, buddy wasn't able to be on today, but he'll be on next week. Uh, he's got, uh, some family things he's doing. So that's that.

01:07:43.18
Jeremy
hopefully Hopefully he'll go get his butt checked.



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